Mourinho sacked

C'est Moi Cantona said:
I hadn't heard that about City.
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All about timing mate.
City tried to get him soon after takeover but he said no and later on he offered his services at a time when it didn't suit us.
That ship has well and truly sailed now as his abrasive style and somewhat dull tactics do not now suit the current City hierarchy.
 
The bigger clubs may feel that he isn't worth the risk. It's fine if you are a Madrid or Chelsea; a circus needs it's clowns, but clubs that have a reputation to uphold may think that the damage he can cause, as well as the shit looking football, is not offset by his ability to win trophies.
 
JPRouve said:
That make sense, I don't see Mourinho and El Khelaifi getting along and I doubt that prince will accept a negative approach during big CL games, they could accept it for one champions league but not more.
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Indeed the owners care a lot about playing attractive football and about their image, Mourinho isn't exactly the best suited for this.

Furthermore Jose has consistently lost tactical battles in the CL playoffs during the last years, he is absolutely not a guarantee of success in Europe.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
what is bollocks is fans wanting him has manager.
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It'd be bollocks if fans preferred him over someone like Guardiola, obviously. To say it's bollocks to prefer him over LVG is, well, bollocks!

The guy is 10x the manager LVG will ever be. I know there's arguments about his style of football but feck me it couldn't actually get any worse could it?
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Such a stark difference in the way United and Chelse operate.

When Di Maria pussied out of the Premier League, we sold him, and kept Van Gaal.
Hazard Di Maria-ed his injury against Leicester, and Jose gets sacked for losing the squad.

Edit: Taken out of context, yes, but you get the point. Player-power vs. Manager's Say.
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Was the same with Stam, Beckham and RvN. Just goes to show what a club can achieve with some faith in the manager.

Although that said, Mourinho probably just fell out with more than just Hazard. If the other player is Matic, then the tradeoff becomes much more difficult. You cant lose the only two wc players you have in a team.
 
We knew Jose had lost it when he had the King Kev moment. When you have to justify your credentials to someone asking questions then it's game over because you show yourself to be vulnerable. Joses never lost before and he had absolutely no idea how to deal with it. The players are abysmal but I think it could be the best thing for Jose in the long run. He's intelligent enough to learn from all this and perhaps be a better manager for it. It depends if he learns his lesson. I wouldn't have an issue with Jose personally, you take the good with the bad and you have a situation where he has to prove himself again. All the noise is about Pep but Jose could end up at United or shitty. He might even take over Wenger at some point - I don't think he'll jump back in just yet.

I know people want Pep but he's capable of snapping. He jumped ship from Barcelona, Munich and he ticks a lot of boxes but there is no certainty in football. If he wanted to recreate the Sir Alex mentality - then yes!!! But Pep would have a lot of restructuring infront of him. It's a different job to that of Barca and Munich...
 
Treble said:
Based on?
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Well obviously it's not a real guarantee. I just mean odds wise, he won as much as anyone working today and across more countries. I still never wanted him here and I do not now.
 
Pink Moon said:
It'd be bollocks if fans preferred him over someone like Guardiola, obviously. To say it's bollocks to prefer him over LVG is, well, bollocks!

The guy is 10x the manager LVG will ever be. I know there's arguments about his style of football but feck me it couldn't actually get any worse could it?
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Yes. Mourinho's first season and the second half of last season
 
Both As and Marca have polls with Mourinho and Madrid, 50% want him back :nervous:. The spanish press has a morbid fascination with him. They are looking forward to see him here to spend every single day attacking him.
Bayern probably will get Ancelotti and if Blanc renews as @BBRBB said then City and United are the most logical options for Pep and Mourinho. Do you think that Mendes could try to join Mourinho and Cristiano in the next project?
 
Gentleman Jim said:
All about timing mate.
City tried to get him soon after takeover but he said no and later on he offered his services at a time when it didn't suit us.
That ship has well and truly sailed now as his abrasive style and somewhat dull tactics do not now suit the current City hierarchy.
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Not so sure that's all true tbh, City's immediate future seem to rest on what Pep decides, if he takes a year off or goes elsewhere then you lot would be all over Mourinho like a rash imo, and rightly so, the other options just don't stack up compared with these two.
 
AshfordLad said:
Was the same with Stam, Beckham and RvN. Just goes to show what a club can achieve with some faith in the manager.

Although that said, Mourinho probably just fell out with more than just Hazard. If the other player is Matic, then the tradeoff becomes much more difficult. You cant lose the only two wc players you have in a team.
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It doesn't matter. Once players are aware of having too much power at a club, it'll always be an issue in the future.
 
Eboue said:
Not surprised, he was a specialist in failure after all.
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:lol:

Not the first Arsenal fan to say that.

On a serious note, shitty timing. The shithouses (players) will turn up against us now.
 
Still not sure of my opinion on this. Whilst in normal situations I feel it would be a justified sacking but having won the title last season perhaps he should have been given the transfer window at least. My opinion on it will probably come down to why he lost the players. If it all relates back to the Eva situation then it is entirely his own making and I'll be glad he is gone. If the players turned for other reasons then I'll be disappointed that the club backed the players over the manager.
 
Spiersey said:
Still not sure of my opinion on this. Whilst in normal situations I feel it would be a justified sacking but having won the title last season perhaps he should have been given the transfer window at least. My opinion on it will probably come down to why he lost the players. If it all relates back to the Eva situation then it is entirely his own making and I'll be glad he is gone. If the players turned for other reasons then I'll be disappointed that the club backed the players over the manager.
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I feel like perhaps it's becoming harder to back a manager instead of the players. Players cost so much now, and the best players seem less... replaceable. Easier to give one person the boot than have to replace a handful of players who played an important part in a league win.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
I feel like perhaps it's becoming harder to back a manager instead of the players. Players cost so much now, and the best players seem less... replaceable. Easier to give one person the boot than have to replace a handful of players who played an important part in a league win.
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Yeah it is definitely the case now and it is a fair one really. I'd just like to see one club actively back a manager and tell the players to move on. Obviously there is going to be a lot coming out about what has really happened over the past couple of months, fairly sure it is all going to initially stem from the Eva situation. Will be interesting to see.

On another topic, not entirely sure who I want to see as the successor. I'd quite like to see Emery given a chance but probably unlikely.
 
Giving Mourinho some more leeway to right the ship would make sense if they were just underachieving. They went below the level of underachieving months ago.
 
Pink Moon said:
It'd be bollocks if fans preferred him over someone like Guardiola, obviously. To say it's bollocks to prefer him over LVG is, well, bollocks!

The guy is 10x the manager LVG will ever be. I know there's arguments about his style of football but feck me it couldn't actually get any worse could it?
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Think you are going a bit OTT about LVG and Jose. From what I have seen Jose has had a pretty cushy time in terms of taking over fairly established sides. Chelsea had slowly, but surely, built quite a good squad before Jose took over. He tweaked the team and took them to the next level, it was also at a time when City did not have the cash, United and Arsenal were rebuilding, Liverpool and Spurs were fighting mid-table. At Inter her took over an aging squad in a poor league at the time, most Italian teams were corrupt, and in financial difficulties, and at Madrid he didn't really put Madrid at the top, they were always second best to Barca during that period.

LVG has developed some very good teams that were not in a good state when he took them over. He also has trophies from 4 countries, so to make out that Joes is 10* LVG is quite a stretch.
 
It's still quite unbelievable that they sacked Jose, and a weird time to do it too with the hectic schedule coming right up. Still when you look at the facts you can very much understand the decision. Shocking form, terrible points tally and generally a pathetic attempt at a title defense. Can't remember Champions falling so low and it far outweighs Moyes failure with considering this was the same management and team that just won the title.
 
stu_1992 said:
It's still quite unbelievable that they sacked Jose, and a weird time to do it too with the hectic schedule coming right up. Still when you look at the facts you can very much understand the decision. Shocking form, terrible points tally and generally a pathetic attempt at a title defense. Can't remember Champions falling so low and it far outweighs Moyes failure with considering this was the same management and team that just won the title.
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In my honest opinion the sacking had more to do with him losing the trust of his players. If the players were still fully behind him I think he would have been allowed to stay and get the results eventually. When you can't get the players to follow your instructions its time to go.
 
Thought he would have got the next 2 home games. I guess if he has lost most of the dressing room it is easier to sack the manager then it is to sell X amount of players who don't want him there.
 
Wanna see how Neville does this season. Giggs alone scares me, but Giggs/Neville could be a combo.
 
Just read this comment on the Dailymail which is very interesting.

I remember Claude Makelele wrote in his book to how Chelsea had an amazing atmosphere and the best team harmony when they first won two titles Under Mourinho back in 2005 2006 but in the third season, Mourinho started the disrupt that because he could see the players getting more praises than his work and Mourinho thought whatever the players achieved was because of him. He always thought he was the one that brought them trophy. His Philosophy, His style, and his work and his players were nothing without him. Master Tactician but a deeply flawed Human Being!
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It was also followed by a reply saying Drogba had something very similar in his own book. It's true he's a great manager and tactician but if this is the real reason he keeps falling out with squads then he really needs to look at himself.
 
You know what, Jose would be a monster here at United.

He'd be my first choice to replace LVG, even ahead of Pep.
 
Cee90 said:
You know what, Jose would be a monster here at United.

He'd be my first choice to replace LVG, even ahead of Pep.
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It has the potential to be amazing, without doubt. This isn't going to be the end of him, he's far too good for that. I just worry that he wouldn't be ready, I agree with the people who say it seems like he needs a break. He just seems really different to how he was in the past
 
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