Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager

Arruda said:
Ok.

Still thinking he's overreacting and faking here. It's not so much that he said "the best team lost" but rather that was the only thing he said in his first interview after the game.

I don't remember such chivalry in regards to Scholes disallowed goal against Porto :lol:
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You can point to any one of hundreds of examples of managers being hypocrites on footballing matters. Just because he didn't do it before doesn't mean anything.

He admitted that we were the better team, which we were. He's a football fan and what was up until that point a fantastic game for neutrals got flipped upside down with a bullshit decision and he was visibly disappointed with that.

Obviously he will be glad his team got through, but it wouldn't make his comments any less sincere.
 
Sandikan said:
Another example of how he's lucky rather than special.

The disallowed goal v Porto would have put them out early, instead they went onto win the cup.

The infinite money with Abramhovic.
The quality outfit and money at Inter
The quality outfit and money at Madrid.

Let's hope he doesn't ride up at City. It's like full circle back to the chelsea days if he goes there
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Ho come on that's bollocks. Give the guy a bit of credit, the red card wasn't his fault and he's won everything there is to win with multiple teams he's obviously a great manager.
 
Arruda said:
His comments were shit. He's Real manager, not United's manager. Like I said above, it would have been class of him to acknowledge this sort of stuff in a wider appreciation of the game, but in a flash interview, when your team scored two brilliant goals and had an important away win against one of the thoughest opponents in the competition, reducing your comments to just that and pretending to be almost upset by it it's stupid.

He didn't even celebrate the CL victory with Porto properly, had the same fake attitude he had today. He lives to win games and break records, he dreams of becoming the first manager to win 3 CL's, and you think he's bothered because there was a refereeing mistake?

It's just politics. He didn't become a classier man today. And bordering on the disrespectful to his employers and fans.

Like someone said above, I'd rather see it from him after a loss before believing he's being humble.
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He wins stuff. That's why I want him here.
 
Dante said:
I'm not sure it's class, or humility, or any such noble gesture. He's just trying to butter us up so that we don't reject him when he puts himself forward to take over as manager.

It doesn't mean he doesn't believe it mind you. But it's not the sort of thing he's ever said before, so I can only summise that it's self-serving.
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He is already a very good friend of SAF's and his record speaks for itself. He has nothing to butter us up for, and the notion that he has is absurd.
 
I imagine the word with Fergie during the game was something along the line of the ref ruined a perfectly good game, and that was before they went 2-1 up.
 
Why are people annoyed at what he said? Might he not have just said what he thought? Maybe he was unhappy with how his team played, they certainly weren't the better team 11v11 and even after going down to 10 we had chances. Maybe he felt Madrid weren't better, he seems to always seek perfection from his teams, and if he genuinely felt that isn't what he saw then why should he not say it?

If we won whilst not being the better side I'd expected Ferguson to say it too. I'm sure he has at some point.
 
Thought he was tactically outclassed by Fergie until the red. Playing the puppet for his comments on the red card.
 
The Neviller said:
Why are people annoyed at what he said? Might he not have just said what he thought? Maybe he was unhappy with how his team played, they certainly weren't the better team 11v11 and even after going down to 10 we had chances. Maybe he felt Madrid weren't better, he seems to always seek perfection from his teams, and if he genuinely felt that isn't what he saw then why should he not say it?

If we won whilst not being the better side I'd expected Ferguson to say it too. I'm sure he has at some point.
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It's just a simple case of 'If Mourinho does something likeable or decent, secret mind games tactical hidden agenda masterplans.'

Some people just dislike Mourinho. You can see it in the threads when they come out with 'I hope that cnut never gets anywhere near our club the effing this that and the other.'

People just can't acknowledge decent things done by people they detest.
 
Zarlak said:
He is already a very good friend of SAF's and his record speaks for itself. He has nothing to butter us up for, and the notion that he has is absurd.
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The only way he can be united manager is if Ferguson decides to quit at the end of this season. I very much doubt he will retire and I'm sure Jose would think the same. When Ferguson does go, Mourinho will more than likely be managing someone else. He had nothing to butter us up for.
 
Zarlak said:
It's just a simple case of 'If Mourinho does something likeable or decent, secret mind games tactical hidden agenda masterplans.'

Some people just dislike Mourinho. You can see it in the threads when they come out with 'I hope that cnut never gets anywhere near our club the effing this that and the other.'

People just can't acknowledge decent things done by people they detest.
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I've no love for the guy, I think he's a twat at the best of times, but I'd take him here to take over from Fergie when the time comes because as much of a twat as he is, he's a brilliantly successful twat.
 
Zarlak said:
If the fans of his club can't deal with him telling the truth then that's their problem. We'd applaud SAF for doing the same.
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It's not about being the truth or not. It's about the tone and focus of his interview.

Mourinho isn't a truthful man. He has never been. He made a huge video rant explaining the (totally biased, and he's smarter than that) reasoning for Ronaldo being better than Messi not too long ago. When at Inter he said Ibrahimovic was the best player in the world. He's a winner, and he does what he must to win. Today, from his own point of view, that happened to be the truth.

I don't have a clue of how SAF behaves in such situations. I'm sure fans, including Real ones, would think it's commendable that he acknowledge they were lucky today, but in a proper contextual interview. I personally wouldn't be happy to see my team belittled like that. The Seville interview was slightly different, he was making a much wider point. Today he just ignored that his team came out on top after a very difficult game and that they scored two brilliant goals, and said "the best team lost". Yeah, I'm sure you'd love it if he was your manager and was obviously winking the eye at your opponents.
 
It's nothing but pure dislike/bitterness when you hear people coming out with this 'fake, hidden agenda' rubbish. Why can't you just see it for what it was? a respectable comment from a man that seems to be on very good terms with a man we adore. (SAF)

He didn't need to say what he has.
 
Zarlak said:
He is already a very good friend of SAF's and his record speaks for itself. He has nothing to butter us up for, and the notion that he has is absurd.
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Really? I bet there are a lot United fans whose opinion of him has changed for the better after those comments. That's always going to make a difference.

Say what you want about the pig-headedness of the Glazers, they wouldn't want another Benitez on their hands. And from a politicking point of view he's done himself no harm today.
 
Zarlak said:
Some people just dislike Mourinho. You can see it in the threads when they come out with 'I hope that cnut never gets anywhere near our club the effing this that and the other.'
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That certainly doesn't apply to me.
 
Arruda said:
Today he just ignored that his team came out on top after a very difficult game and that they scored two brilliant goals, and said "the best team lost". Yeah, I'm sure you'd love it if he was your manager and was obviously winking the eye at your opponents.
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Depends which way you spin it. You can just as easy say that he acknowledged that they were undeserved winners. Winners none the less, but that they were not the better team. That's all.
 
Zarlak said:
Some people just dislike Mourinho. You can see it in the threads when they come out with 'I hope that cnut never gets anywhere near our club the effing this that and the other.'
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Arruda said:
That certainly doesn't apply to me.
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Nor me, I've always advocated him taking over from Fergie.

But I'm sure that Mourinho is as aware of the groundswell of opinion against him as anyone, and that's what the comment was designed to address. He's a canny operator.
 
Arruda said:
It's not about being the truth or not. It's about the tone and focus of his interview.

Mourinho isn't a truthful man. He has never been. He made a huge video rant explaining the (totally biased, and he's smarter than that) reasoning for Ronaldo being better than Messi not too long ago. When at Inter he said Ibrahimovic was the best player in the world. He's a winner, and he does what he must to win. Today, from his own point of view, that happened to be the truth.

I don't have a clue of how SAF behaves in such situations. I'm sure fans, including Real ones, would think it's commendable that he acknowledge they were lucky today, but in a proper contextual interview. I personally wouldn't be happy to see my team belittled like that. The Seville interview was slightly different, he was making a much wider point. Today he just ignored that his team came out on top after a very difficult game and that they scored two brilliant goals, and said "the best team lost". Yeah, I'm sure you'd love it if he was your manager and was obviously winking the eye at your opponents.
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Are you really this butt hurt at him fecking off Porto to move to a higher standard of football? Seriously dude, you need to let go. It was an interview after the game, he said the best team didn't win then probably nipped off to give his team a bit of a bollocking. He seemed disappointed with their performance, he wanted to win this tie by outplaying United on the big stage, and they didn't.

Also, what exactly does he owe Madrid or their fans? They hate him, they want rid of him and they don't hide it. Why should he care? He'll do what he can to win games and titles for himself, until they sack him. He knows it's coming, so why should he give a feck what they think? Why should he want to win for them, when they don't want him there?
 
Jose is a great actor and plans out his interviews and reactions very well.

He came across as humble but also sold himself to many utd fans.

A few years ago when we were also robbed he was sliding down the touch line.
 
Arruda said:
It's not about being the truth or not. It's about the tone and focus of his interview.

Mourinho isn't a truthful man. He has never been. He made a huge video rant explaining the (totally biased, and he's smarter than that) reasoning for Ronaldo being better than Messi not too long ago. When at Inter he said Ibrahimovic was the best player in the world. He's a winner, and he does what he must to win. Today, from his own point of view, that happened to be the truth.

I don't have a clue of how SAF behaves in such situations. I'm sure fans, including Real ones, would think it's commendable that he acknowledge they were lucky today, but in a proper contextual interview. I personally wouldn't be happy to see my team belittled like that. The Seville interview was slightly different, he was making a much wider point. Today he just ignored that his team came out on top after a very difficult game and that they scored two brilliant goals, and said "the best team lost". Yeah, I'm sure you'd love it if he was your manager and was obviously winking the eye at your opponents.
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Fergie does it all the time

Witness his new found encouragement to Wenger in recent years
It's easy to be dignified in victory when your opponent is out of the way

But to criticise him for doing it is unfair
I feel it was more respect than belittling
 
Randall Flagg said:
Jose is a great actor and plans out his interviews and reactions very well.

He came across as humble but also sold himself to many utd fans.

A few years ago when we were also robbed he was sliding down the touch line.
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a good few years ago

Things done changed

and yes, he did sell himself to United fans. He wants to keep his options open. We could do worse
 
To be honest I think he's pretty pissed off right now too: he didn't want to win like that, considering how he hyped the game up till this point.

Classy comments, and would love to have him here.
 
Meanwhile, over at Marca he's saying this: "Ferguson debe sentirse igual que yo con la expulsión de Pepe ante el Barça". Basically, now SAF knows how I felt when Pepe was sent off against Barça.

Anyone who takes his comments at face value is being naive :lol: Mourinho only looks out for number one, whichever way possible.
 
The Neviller said:
Are you really this butt hurt at him fecking off Porto to move to a higher standard of football? Seriously dude, you need to let go. It was an interview after the game, he said the best team didn't win then probably nipped off to give his team a bit of a bollocking. He seemed disappointed with their performance, he wanted to win this tie by outplaying United on the big stage, and they didn't.

Also, what exactly does he owe Madrid or their fans? They hate him, they want rid of him and they don't hide it. Why should he care? He'll do what he can to win games and titles for himself, until they sack him. He knows it's coming, so why should he give a feck what they think? Why should he want to win for them, when they don't want him there?
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To be fair, I may be on the wrong here. I actually went to Real Madrid forum and most seem to agree with his speech so it's not my place to presume what they would or not like to see.

I'm not butt hurt about him leaving, but he did leave somewhat of a bitter taste at the time by not celebrating the CL win with us. I think any fan would be disappointed with that. We were well aware he was going to Chelsea regardless of the result of the final against Monaco there was no need for that kind of attitude. That said I always rooted for Chelsea and Inter while he was there, just stopped doing it at Real because my dislike of them is bigger than my admiration for him. And I can't wait for him to get out of there. I also thought his interview was just "the best team lost" because that's just what they showed in our TV, and what was said in this thread in the first posts. But he did made a wider point indeed.

He's still not often this sincere, is he? There is obviously a special thing with him and United, not many teams gather this sort of respect from him. Obviously some people are going to assume he has an agenda. And fair play to him, he couldn't want a better challenge than that and it's natural he's working towards that goal. It's the only thing that would make him humble like he was today, it was my point.
 
Arruda said:
His comments were shit. He's Real manager, not United's manager. Like I said above, it would have been class of him to acknowledge this sort of stuff in a wider appreciation of the game, but in a flash interview, when your team scored two brilliant goals and had an important away win against one of the thoughest opponents in the competition, reducing your comments to just that and pretending to be almost upset by it it's stupid.

He didn't even celebrate the CL victory with Porto properly, had the same fake attitude he had today. He lives to win games and break records, he dreams of becoming the first manager to win 3 CL's, and you think he's bothered because there was a refereeing mistake?

It's just politics. He didn't become a classier man today. And bordering on the disrespectful to his employers and fans.

Like someone said above, I'd rather see it from him after a loss before believing he's being humble.
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You take what you want from Mourinhos interviews usually, and you certainy have.


hungrywing said:
Yep.

Also, type-A winners hate unjust victories gifted to them for purely selfish reasons as well, since it makes them feel not like winners.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mourinho himself makes mention of the ref in the media.
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This is my opinion, you get this impression more from his longer interview on Sky too.
 
Andrew~ said:
To be honest I think he's pretty pissed off right now too: he didn't want to win like that, considering how he hyped the game up till this point.

Classy comments, and would love to have him here.
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Right :lol:. That's taking it too far.

Mistakes happen often in football, any manager or player that is pissed off with a win because it happened with bad refereeing needs his head checked.

Mourinho lives to break records. He now has the chance to be the first manager to win 3 CL's in 3 different clubs, with plenty of time to increase that haul. He's amassing records and treasures every win that takes him closer to them.
 
Arruda said:
Right :lol:. That's taking it too far.

Mistakes happen often in football, any manager or player that is pissed off with a win because it happened with bad refereeing needs his head checked.

Mourinho lives to break records. He now has the chance to be the first manager to win 3 CL's in 3 different clubs, with plenty of time to increase that haul. He's amassing records and treasures every win that takes him closer to them.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.

But if it is about being the best for him, which is is. Winning on technicalities, being lucky and having an imaginary asterisks next to his achievements will play on his mind.
 
Red4Ever said:
But to criticise him for doing it is unfair
I feel it was more respect than belittling
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I did misinterpret the interview and didn't saw it in context.

I maintain he's not that classy and United is getting special treatment from him. But I was probably overreaching when I said he was being disrespectful to Real, they weren't bothered.
 
Arruda said:
I did misinterpret the interview and didn't saw it in context.

I maintain he's not that classy and United is getting special treatment from him. But I was probably overreaching when I said he was being disrespectful to Real, they weren't bothered.
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I agree more with your interpretation than with any other tbf. Just look at the Pepe comment... no need to make that, unless he's doing what he's always doing... promoting himself.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yeah, I know what you mean.

But if it is about being the best for him, which is is. Winning on technicalities, being lucky and having an imaginary asterisks next to his achievements will play on his mind.
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Obviously it's not as fun as dominating a whole match, but what can you do. Weren't United lucky in the last two CL wins?

He's also precipitating himself here. United were on top but leading by just one goal, who could have known what would happen in the remainder of the game with the amount of fire-power he had and the quality with which Modric entered the pitch tonight.

Even with Porto, it was still just one goal, and we scored another. We were lucky but weren't inferior in the context of the two hands. Football has loads of randomness in loads of different ways. Of course refereeing-related randomness is the one that stings more, I won't argue with that.
 
Apparently Mourinho cut his interview with ITV because he was concerned about Fergie who was fuming at the referee still
 
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