Mourinho and Man Utds conflicting interest

Not sure what the OP is going on about. Inter Milan were a old squad. The defence and Cambiasso were there before Mourinho arrived. Mourinho added Milito, Sneijder and Eto. Motta was 26 when he was signed.


The problem is that the coach after him could not get the best out of them.

But it's plain nonsense really as Inter have always been playing catch up. The only time they were dominant was when Milan got deducted points and Juve got relegated. They were able to build a good squad then.
 
Explain Mkhi, Bailly, Pogba and the fact he wanted Antoine.
On second thoughts don't bother...
 
I see the point but i actually think we need experienced players.

One thing for sure, Jose at United has played more youngsters than at any point of his career.
 
Jose bought Bailly, Pogba and was interested in Griezmann, that would have been 3 positions locked down, for atleast 5 years, by the players he bought.

Seeing that you are using transfer rumours to make your point, we are rumoured to be in for Fabinho who is 23, Mbappe who is a teenager. If we manage to get those two that's another two positions locked down for a long time.

We need experience in our team and that's why Jose is going for older players in some of the positions. Lets not forget that we have youngsters in Rashford and Martial. We cant be adding on potentially good players in the future, we already have those, what we currently need are players at the top of their game.

I believe even if Jose leaves after 3 seasons he will leave behind a very good team.
 
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andersj said:
Why do you think Ferguson rarely spent much money on "experienced stars"?
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Why don't you get that Fergie isn't around? What worked for him doesn't work for other managers.

Fergie didn't need to spend on experience because erm did you see the age of the team that he left us with. Evra, Scholes, Vidic, Carrick, Rio, Giggs and RVP all in their thirties. So you know maybe that's why he didn't need to invest in one. He kept players near the end of his tenure longer than he usually would have.

The only time he signed experienced player was one who won us the league. I'd deffo take that if Jose does that.
 
antohan said:
The funny thing is Inter also had a Director in charge of transfers but since it suits the narrative let's just ignore it and blame Mourinho for getting the best out of the players he had and them turning to shit instantly once he was replaced by the FSW.
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Yeah. First thing I think about Mourinho and Inter is how he won a treble with them and made them perform at a level such that the likes of Millito were contenders for WPOTY...
 
Manchester United signing experienced players? That doesn't sound like us.

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I know it's not the norm but where we've needed to, we've done it.
 
Think OP is just pointing out that Mourinho isn't likely to build a squad for the long term, and simply for the short gain. I think everyone on this forum accepted that when they said they wanted him
 
This is about the reaction I anticipated to this post.

Arruda said:
Your concern is the reason why "we" never really understood the imperative of a manager being responsible for the construction of a squad. Whilst the examples of Ferguson and Wenger are noteworthy, those are rare exceptions when compared to continental football as a whole. In my life I don't remember a Porto manager staying for more than 4 years, and that was a rare exception, our average successful manager stays for 2 seasons. We always got used to having a president and football director determining the long-term strategy of the club, with the input of the manager, and trying to satisfy his wishes whenever they may be coincident with the club.

I always looked at the role of a "manager" in SAF style as a mix between our coach and a president's job.
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When you say "we", do you mean the rest of the footballing world or just Porto supporters.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Think OP is just pointing out that Mourinho isn't likely to build a squad for the long term, and simply for the short gain. I think everyone on this forum accepted that when they said they wanted him
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Thats unfair to him when he would be judged on the short term results. More importantly, what Mourinho desires is proven players. If available even at a younger age, he would take it.
 
100 said:
This is my main worry with Mourinho and the Perisic signing.

We could realistically bring in a fast depreciating very expensive XI, based on hard work, and lose the likes of Martial.

Bailly and Pogba have alleviated those fears a bit, but the positions of Shaw and Martial haven't.
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Is this about concern for Shaw and Martial? If they don't cut it, they need to be dropped. Their situation has more to do with attitude and aptitude than with age, it has been discussed thoroughly in many other threads.
 
Long term this, long term that.

How about we start winning things NOW?

I couldn't care less who he buys or sells once we keep winning trophies.
 
littlepeasoup said:
In around 7 billion years our Sun will swell, turning into a red giant as big as Earth's orbit. Our planet will wither away and die, and everyone and everything you've ever known and loved will vanish from existence, so no, you're right, feck it. Let's not sign anyone.
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Ever heard of a flat earth? Fool.
 
Focus on the success Mou has had instead of the negatives.

Let him sign whoever he thinks can bring success to United. Everyone here wants another Fergie era, but it's just not realistic.

Unfortunately managers need to think short term, or they will be fired.

Everyone except Wenger, apparently.
 
I agree, we should find someone who thinks long term. We should bring back Moysey and his 6 year plan!
 
alanjohnson said:
Why doesn't he just sign the next Ronaldo and the next messi?
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Next Ronaldo and next messi is fine. but fear and woe be on us if we sign Ronaldo and/or messi! they don't have too many years left..

is this the way to do it? :angel:
 
100 said:
This is my main worry with Mourinho and the Perisic signing.

We could realistically bring in a fast depreciating very expensive XI, based on hard work, and lose the likes of Martial.

Bailly and Pogba have alleviated those fears a bit, but the positions of Shaw and Martial haven't.
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Shaw has only regressed in 3 years. He clearly doesn't have the mentality. We should cut our losses imo.

Martial hasn't exactly lit the world on fire and I can see exactly why Mourinho would want rid of him.
 
antohan said:
As a certified PADI scuba diver I can tell you that's an excellent idea. Essential almost.
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There are only two types of scuba divers. Those that pee in their wetsuits and those that lie about not having done that before. :)
 
I'm pretty sure Mourinho's aim is to manage Manchester United for a long time and be successful in the long term. I don't think the odd experienced signing would compromise his objective. We have good young players coming through and the main issue for Jose and the club is to produce a great team asap.
 
Inter's most valuable asset Zlatan wanted to leave inter. They somehow made the most of the transfer and won treble.

Apart from Inter all his clubs won trophies after just Jose too, so I don't think there is any concern as long as we don't mess the replacements like Inter did.
 
There is an underlying really good point here but I don't think being liked with the likes of Perisic is the cause for concern.

The comments during the season from Jose on Chicharito, Welbeck, etc and recent links with a big money move for Michael Keane point much more to a hap hazard transfer strategy.

Whether it is sticking with Jose long term or appointing a long term director of football to dictate club strategy over signings, the club needs stability in squad building.

LVG spent a huge amount of money on a squad rebuild and I think Mourinho would have preferred the squad LVG inherited rather than the one he left behind.
 
We already have the likes of Shaw, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Bailly, Pogba, De Gea (very young for a world class GK) getting lots of play time with Depay being a gamble on potential that failed but yet people are crying and demand we sign more young players. What the feck. We are not Arsenal, winning should always be the main priority for the club, not having a team of youngsters.
 
Although I don't necessarily agree with the OP in terms of the players he has mentioned, I think one thing which has been apparent throughout Mourinho's career, and which could rear it's ugly head if the papers are to be believed about our top targets not joining, is that he falls out with boards he believes haven't been backing him fully in the market. It happened most evidently, and twice, at Inter, Madrid, and twice at Chelsea.

If other clubs (ie City and Pep) improve their immediate squad massively, which they are, and others get their top targets in whilst we're left bemoaning the fact Griezmann changed his mind last minute and Neymar and Mbappe were never possible targets, then Mourinho may well be pretty pissed if we don't start well next season.

Now, there's a lot of hyperbole floating around this, granted, and it is only the beginning of June, but I think it's fair to say that after getting us back into the Champions League, Mourinho is expecting at least 1 if not 2 signings from his number 1 priorities list he gave to Ed.
 
Zlatattack said:
Manchester United signing experienced players? That doesn't sound like us.

RvP
Berbatov
VDS
Veron
Blanc

I know it's not the norm but where we've needed to, we've done it.
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I cannot believe you forgot Michael Owen & Henrik Larsson. The way some people talk about Fergie, you would think Fergie only signed teenagers when he was our manager.

This thread is a waste of time. The OP just contrived to spew baloney from the first sentence to the last. Jose's main objective is to bring the fear factor back to OT. If signing experienced players is the means of achieving that, then a loud AMEN!
 
I like what he did with Real Madrid, so it's different with every club and while I don't think you're getting Bale, him and Abuameyang doesn't sound like a bad transfer window. I would be more concerned if let's say Wenger was doing the transfers for the club, that would really be a problem.
 
Acheron said:
I like what he did with Real Madrid, so it's different with every club and while I don't think you're getting Bale, him and Abuameyang doesn't sound like a bad transfer window. I would be more concerned if let's say Wenger was doing the transfers for the club, that would really be a problem.
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Nah, Mourinho destroys every club he leaves, stop trying to twist the narrative
 
andersj said:
Then what happened to Inter? Spending money like that is like pissing your pants when your cold..
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Look at the net spend of Inter under Mourinho; then compare to other period where they also spent big buck & what they accomplished on the pitch. Revisionism can't even dispute that Mourinho did extremely well for Inter.

And I am not talking about Mourinho being a "manager" having full say in Inter's transfer work. Inter has DoF in place
 
Zlatattack said:
Manchester United signing experienced players? That doesn't sound like us.

RvP
Berbatov
VDS
Veron
Blanc

I know it's not the norm but where we've needed to, we've done it.
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Veron was 26. A central midfielder at 26 usually have more years left than at 28 year old attacker or winger. And I'm not against bringing in excoerienced players at the right price. Blanc and VDS was cheap.
 
204Red said:
And yet SAF wasn't afraid to break English transfer records to sign established stars such as Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Juan Veron Rio Ferdinand, Dimitar Berbatov.

Hell 25M was a lot to pay for RVP at his age.

And for the record... winning trebles is a good thing.
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Established stars maybe, but how old was Cole, Keane and Rio?
 
United's priority should be to focus on reestablishing themselves over the next few years rather than looking at a longer horizon. If we buy these players and they contribute to United's success at the elite level (not EL, league cup level) for 3-4 years, then the club carries on generating huge revenues and we can replace them down the line. Besides, as we have seen with Rooney and Zlatan, there are no bright line tests with age.
 
andersj said:
Then what happened to Inter? Spending money like that is like pissing your pants when your cold..
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He spent 130 Million in 2 years at Inter and made 100 million from sales, yeah it was Jose who broke Inter :wenger:
 
A 27 (Bale) and a 28 (Perisic) year old being percieved as old and stopgap solutions... only on a United forum. Sometimes it makes you think that we deserve to share Arsenal's fate over the last decade. And why didn't you add the likes of Sneijder, Motta or even Quaresma and Muntari to his Inter transfers? They were all in their mid 20s with their best footballing years ahead of them.

Anyway, he hasn't signed anyone yet in this transfer window. From the four players he got last year only Zlatan was/is a short term solution. Both Bailly and Pogba can be here for the long run and Mkhitaryan has 5 or 6 years left at the highest level. How many propspects did the great Dutch "builder" leave behind him after two whole seasons? Martial, Rashford... am i missing someone? But yeah, only Mourinho leaves a barren wasteland behind him because that's what we've been told. I guess it's better to lose an eye than your good name.

How much did Real Madrid and Chelsea suffer after he left (Chelsea twice)? All seem to be doing fairly well. But then again, what happened to Inter? Let me think... oh, Rafa Benitez happened.
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
A 27 (Bale) and a 28 (Perisic) year old being percieved as old and stopgap solutions... only on a United forum. Sometimes it makes you think that we deserve to share Arsenal's fate over the last decade. And why didn't you add the likes of Sneijder, Motta or even Quaresma and Muntari to his Inter transfers? They were all in their mid 20s with their best footballing years ahead of them.

Anyway, he hasn't signed anyone yet in this transfer window. From the four players he got last year only Zlatan was/is a short term solution. Both Bailly and Pogba can be here for the long run and Mkhitaryan has 5 or 6 years left at the highest level. How many propspects did the great Dutch "builder" leave behind him after two whole seasons? Martial, Rashford... am i missing someone? But yeah, only Mourinho leaves a barren wasteland behind him because that's what we've been told. I guess it's better to lose an eye than your good name.

How much did Real Madrid and Chelsea suffer after he left (Chelsea twice)? All seem to be doing fairly well. But then again, what happened to Inter? Let me think... oh, Rafa Benitez happened.
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:lol:
(Bale will be 28 if we bring him in.)

- I never said neither was "stop gap",
- I never said always leaves his clubs with aging squads,
- I never said van Gaal left us with many great prospects
 
I've never quite understood the over concern people have about the future, especially in football. It's a bit like some teams playing in a current CL campaign, they often seem more obsessed about qualifying for it the following year as opposed to trying to win the thing in the current campaign. Arsenal being a prime example.

Why worry about us three or four years down the line ? Thats a lot of football and I would rather we bring in ready made 27 year olds every three years and win big trophies than have a continuous flow of promising 19 year olds who might make it while picking up a league cup every now and again.
 
Chelsea went on the become an england powerhouse after he left

Porto is porto

Real madrid stays strong after he left

Chelsea won the league after he left

Only inter in a mess, and that's after the fecking treble. Ask any inter fans they'd trade anything for that cl let alone treble.

But yeah, mourinho is mr destructo
 
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