Mourinho and Man Utds conflicting interest

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Following the transfer rumours this year have given me a concern I've never had before. I've realized that the interest of our manager and our club might be in conflict.

Our manager have never managed the same club for more than three years running. He lives in London. It wouldbe a surprise if he is still here in four years. Probably three aswell.

Hence, his concern is maximizing the resources in this time period. From his perspective buying Bale, Perisic and Auba makes sense. From Man Utds, this might give us a big challenge in three year time.

Mourinho have already done this once in his carriere, when he sold Inters most valuable asset, Zlatan, and used the money to buy Eto, Milito and Lucio. Players with few years left. We should not allow him to do the same here.
 
andersj said:
Following the transfer rumours this year have given me a concern I've never had before. I've realized that the interest of our manager and our club might be in conflict.

Our manager have never managed the same club for more than three years running. He lives in London. It wouldbe a surprise if he is still here in four years. Probably three aswell.

Hence, his concern is maximizing the resources in this time period. From his perspective buying Bale, Perisic and Auba makes sense. From Man Utds, this might give us a big challenge in three year time.

Mourinho have already done this once in his carriere, when he sold Inters most valuable asset, Zlatan, and used the money to buy Eto, Milito and Lucio. Players with few years left. We should not allow him to do the same here.
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1. Why did you start twirling your moustache towards the end of your post?

2. He bought those players then won the treble. God forbid he does something like that here.
 
Your concern is the reason why "we" never really understood the imperative of a manager being responsible for the construction of a squad. Whilst the examples of Ferguson and Wenger are noteworthy, those are rare exceptions when compared to continental football as a whole. In my life I don't remember a Porto manager staying for more than 4 years, and that was a rare exception, our average successful manager stays for 2 seasons. We always got used to having a president and football director determining the long-term strategy of the club, with the input of the manager, and trying to satisfy his wishes whenever they may be coincident with the club.

I always looked at the role of a "manager" in SAF style as a mix between our coach and a president's job.
 
andersj said:
Following the transfer rumours this year have given me a concern I've never had before. I've realized that the interest of our manager and our club might be in conflict.

Our manager have never managed the same club for more than three years running. He lives in London. It wouldbe a surprise if he is still here in four years. Probably three aswell.

Hence, his concern is maximizing the resources in this time period. From his perspective buying Bale, Perisic and Auba makes sense. From Man Utds, this might give us a big challenge in three year time.

Mourinho have already done this once in his carriere, when he sold Inters most valuable asset, Zlatan, and used the money to buy Eto, Milito and Lucio. Players with few years left. We should not allow him to do the same here.
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The last two managers who came in were meant to slowly build us up but the club suffered. In a way we really do need an instant success, but a club our size can afford it. I understand what you're saying about Inter but frankly Mourinho would need need to spend a lot more than he has been to leave us in a financially risky position in the same way some think he did in Italy.
 
We need instant success to stay relevant, there is no conflict.
 
andersj said:
Mourinho have already done this once in his carriere, when he sold Inters most valuable asset, Zlatan, and used the money to buy Eto, Milito and Lucio. Players with few years left. We should not allow him to do the same here.
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Yeah, that godawful piece of business won them the treble. Must. Not. Allow.
 
andersj said:
Following the transfer rumours this year have given me a concern I've never had before. I've realized that the interest of our manager and our club might be in conflict.

Our manager have never managed the same club for more than three years running. He lives in London. It wouldbe a surprise if he is still here in four years. Probably three aswell.

Hence, his concern is maximizing the resources in this time period. From his perspective buying Bale, Perisic and Auba makes sense. From Man Utds, this might give us a big challenge in three year time.

Mourinho have already done this once in his carriere, when he sold Inters most valuable asset, Zlatan, and used the money to buy Eto, Milito and Lucio. Players with few years left. We should not allow him to do the same here.
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Inter hired him to win the CL asap
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The last two managers who came in were meant to slowly build us up but the club suffered. In a way we really do need an instant success, but a club our size can afford it. I understand what you're saying about Inter but frankly Mourinho would need need to spend a lot more than he has been to leave us in a financially risky position in the same way some think he did in Italy.
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So far Mourinho has been brilliant. Hopefully he will continue to buy Bailly and Pogbas; Young, quality players. Or Mhiki and Ibras; experienced, but affordable due to their contract situation.
 
andersj said:
Then what happened to Inter? Spending money like that is like pissing your pants when your cold..
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Then he left for Madrid. He accomplished the target he was handed by the owner when he took the job. He bought the players with his approval. That Inter turned into a mess right after is due to their poor finances and the disastrous Benitez tenure.

United don't have the money issues that made that into a problem. We should be so lucky that we buy players of the caliber of Bale and Aubameyang this summer.
 
So you think buying Bale, one of the best in the world, and Auba, the top scorer in the Bundesliga, are bad buys? So who should we go for instead, Moussa Sissoko, Claudio Bravo and Vincent Janssen?
 
AR87 said:
Then he left for Madrid. He accomplished the target he was handed by the owner when he took the job. He bought the players with his approval. That Inter turned into a mess right after is due to their poor finances and the disastrous Benitez tenure.

United don't have the money issues that made that into a problem. We should be so lucky that we buy players of the caliber of Bale and Aubameyang this summer.
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I agree that he had his approval. That is not the point.
 
andersj said:
Then what happened to Inter? Spending money like that is like pissing your pants when your cold..
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Inter Milan are still rubbish to this day. You could argue that they're poor now because Mourinho is not there and the management is poor, which it evidently is given the state of their club currently.
 
Well, whatever the case, any player a manager signs/gets rid must be with the agreement of the higher powers at the club. In the end, if the club gets into financial trouble, he can never be the one to blame. I don't expect a manager to be liable for the financial survival of a club, that's just ridiculous.
 
Schmiznurf said:
So you think buying Bale, one of the best in the world, and Auba, the top scorer in the Bundesliga, are bad buys? So who should we go for instead, Moussa Sissoko, Claudio Bravo and Vincent Janssen?
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Why doesn't he just sign the next Ronaldo and the next messi?
 
In around 7 billion years our Sun will swell, turning into a red giant as big as Earth's orbit. Our planet will wither away and die, and everyone and everything you've ever known and loved will vanish from existence, so no, you're right, feck it. Let's not sign anyone.
 
Arruda said:
Well, whatever the case, any player a manager signs/gets rid must be with the agreement of the higher powers at the club. In the end, if the club gets into financial trouble, he can never be the one to blame. I don't expect a manager to be liable for the financial survival of a club, that's just ridiculous.
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I'm not saying Mourinhos to blame. But our board should inform him that this club needs a balance between long and short term success. We can afford to buy Auba or Bale, and probably even Perisic on top. But all three of them would put us in a poor condition soon.
 
andersj said:
Then what happened to Inter? Spending money like that is like pissing your pants when your cold..
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As a certified PADI scuba diver I can tell you that's an excellent idea. Essential almost.
 
Arruda said:
Your concern is the reason why "we" never really understood the imperative of a manager being responsible for the construction of a squad. Whilst the examples of Ferguson and Wenger are noteworthy, those are rare exceptions when compared to continental football as a whole. In my life I don't remember a Porto manager staying for more than 4 years, and that was a rare exception, our average successful manager stays for 2 seasons. We always got used to having a president and football director determining the long-term strategy of the club, with the input of the manager, and trying to satisfy his wishes whenever they may be coincident with the club.

I always looked at the role of a "manager" in SAF style as a mix between our coach and a president's job.
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The funny thing is Inter also had a Director in charge of transfers but since it suits the narrative let's just ignore it and blame Mourinho for getting the best out of the players he had and them turning to shit instantly once he was replaced by the FSW.
 
andersj said:
Why do you think Ferguson rarely spent much money on "experienced stars"?
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And yet SAF wasn't afraid to break English transfer records to sign established stars such as Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Juan Veron Rio Ferdinand, Dimitar Berbatov.

Hell 25M was a lot to pay for RVP at his age.

And for the record... winning trebles is a good thing.
 
andersj said:
Spending a lot of money on players with few years left could place us in a very difficult situation.
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Not with our financial situation. And not when Mourinho has already bought Pogba and Bailly to add to quite a few others in the squad who have a lot of years left.
 
What the heck is this, speaking of Bale and Auba like they are in their late 30's? :lol: We have enough promising youngsters up front, we actually need top players in their peak to maintain some balance, with Rooney and Ibra probably gone.​
 
I would be fecking ecstatic if we signed Aubemyang, genuinely one of the World's best strikers.
 
Surprised at the number of people unable to see OP's point.
 
I see where the OP is coming from, but right now we have very inexperienced or mediocre players in our squad. What Jose is doing is that he's replacing the mediocre ones with quality players.

Just look at the players we sold -
Bastian - Wasn't going to give us anything in the long run.
Memphis - Never looked like the player he was in Holland and even then we sold him with a buy back clause.
Morgan - Was just mediocre in every way.

Players who have been playing less -
Carrick - Another one who is going to give us one more season tops.
Rooney - Clearly past it.
Young - Same as above.

Now to the players we bought. Pogba, Bailly are young players who are on course to spend the peak of their careers with us. Look at our options in attack Rashford, Lingard, Martial it was necessary to bring in an experienced player, and we bought Mikhi. Not many strikers in the world who were available last season would've come in and scored the number of goals Zlatan did for us, another necessary signing, was a free transfer too.

Your concern would hold weight if Jose starts to sell young players players like Rashford, Martial and Shaw, because lets face it, apart from these 3, we don't even have other promising players and including Shaw is also stretching it.

I could go on about the incoming transfers too, but we'll talk about them once they're signed.
There's no reason to worry. :)

Edit - Forgot to include another point about wanting to sign players like Mbappe and Dembele, although that would be ideal, but given the state our squad is in, we need players who can make an instant impact, and signing a couple of 28yr olds is not going to hurt us.

(Didn't make another post because I am on a 10 post per day limit)
 
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This is my main worry with Mourinho and the Perisic signing.

We could realistically bring in a fast depreciating very expensive XI, based on hard work, and lose the likes of Martial.

Bailly and Pogba have alleviated those fears a bit, but the positions of Shaw and Martial haven't.
 
Aren't Bayol and PEA 27? I mean, at worst they've got at least 4 years of playing to their full potential.
 
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