Morgan Schneiderlin | Everton Player

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Ekeke said:
Mourinho's comments sound very similar to his comments about the sale of Mata at Chelsea.

Hopefully he knows what he's doing this time... Because forcing Mata out for Oscar was a pretty big mistake.
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Mata wasn't forced out. He wanted first team football, Mourinho couldn't promise that so he let Mata leave. Mata actually still played a fair bit of football for Chelsea that season.

He's also not forcing Schneiderlin out. Schneiderlin just clearly doesn't fit into this side so, again, Moruinho has said that he can leave to play first team football.


Oh and to loads of others in this thread, Schneiderlin is NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER. He never was.
 
MannyB said:
Not really. The team had some wins and getting by, but it was by no means because of Schneiderlin.

It was a honeymoon period for him on here, but the same charges can be laid on him as they were later in the season, mainly hiding from the ball and deferring to Schweinsteiger.
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I never said it was because of Schneiderlin. But the midfield was more compact and secure when he was in it, hence lots of supporters were complaining when Van Gaal wasn't playing him in some of our bigger matches. Ideally, we'd have seen more from him, but he hasn't really had the opportunity this season to demonstrate his Southampton form.
 
Successful said:
You haven't been following us much I take it. We're like Real Madrid, only we sell total garbage and for a fraction of the price (Ronaldo being the only exception ).

Even profile transfers are a disgrace. Beckham for like £16m. ..They earned that on freaking stickers they sold ffs.

Players like Memphis and Schneiderlin warrants maximum £5m a piece + some goodies from the buyers fan shop.

On the plus side for us is that our sold goods hardly ever make much of an impact.
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Strange when you say they are £5m each and West Brom have confirmed bidding three times that.
 
If he was at Chelsea they would've made 5-10 million profit on him guaranteed.

How is it that Chelsea are able to sell Oscar for £60 million, Liverpool sell Ibe for £15 million, Sterling for £50 million, Benteke for £30 million, Newcastle sell Sissoko for £30 million and Crystal Palace sell Bolasie for £30 million

£13 million :lol:

We really are a horrendous selling club. The fee would be an absolute pisstake like it usually is.
 
I was very excited when we signed him, and I was expecting him to fit the team from the start and be a key player in our midfield. Really disappointed with how it turned out to be. His performances were not anything special, and he never really looked comfortable playing for us. Shame he's leaving, but it's probably the best thing for the player and the club. Will be interesting to see if Jose decides to buy someone now, or give his spot to Bastian or even promotes TFM to midfield.

Oh, and £13m from West Brom has to be a joke! Hope that £20m offer from Everton is true.
 
Having watched him alot at Southhampton where he was excellent its a shame it hasn't worked out for him, however I am very happy that we cut our losses quickly with players who are not cutting it. For far too long we hung onto players for way too long when they weren't performing!
 
Irrational. said:
If he was at Chelsea they would've made 5-10 million profit on him guaranteed.

How is it that Chelsea are able to sell Oscar for £60 million, Liverpool sell Ibe for £15 million, Sterling for £50 million, Benteke for £30 million, Newcastle sell Sissoko for £30 million and Crystal Palace sell Bolasie for £30 million

£13 million :lol:

We really are a horrendous selling club. The fee would be an absolute pisstake like it usually is.
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Have we agreed to sell him for £13m?
 
He's been an enormous let down and not the player I thought he'd be. We're right to move him on but he's surely better than West Brom??
 
Irrational. said:
If he was at Chelsea they would've made 5-10 million profit on him guaranteed.

How is it that Chelsea are able to sell Oscar for £60 million, Liverpool sell Ibe for £15 million, Sterling for £50 million, Benteke for £30 million, Newcastle sell Sissoko for £30 million and Crystal Palace sell Bolasie for £30 million

£13 million :lol:

We really are a horrendous selling club. The fee would be an absolute pisstake like it usually is.
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You never shopped in London? Everything costs a fortune down there.
 
Just another disappointment in promising player who looked like born to play on higher PL level... but how does Fellaini get more games than him is material for a whole different story.

Makes you think if Schweinsteiger is leaving because the lack of involvement, Fellaini thinking about Italy and Schneiderlin being open about possible move, so who do we have in line to replace them and possibly even Carrick too in a not so distant future...
 
Van Piorsing said:
Just another disappointment in promising player who looked like born to play on higher PL level... but how does Fellaini get more games than him is material for a whole different story.

Makes you think if Schweinsteiger is leaving because the lack of involvement, Fellaini thinking about Italy and Schneiderlin being open about possible move, so who do we have in line to replace them and possibly even Carrick too in a not so distant future...
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We should be doing that anyway TBH. Schwein/Schneid + Fellaini aren't up to standard we need lets be honest. Pogba + Herrera are the types we need. Brave, hard working and talented.
 
Adam-Utd said:
We should be doing that anyway TBH. Schwein/Schneid + Fellaini aren't up to standard we need lets be honest. Pogba + Herrera are the types we need. Brave, hard working and talented.
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You're absolutely right. My question is more about depth that we may need in 4 competition system if we do sell majority of them in January.

Seriously, thank feck we still got Michael Carrick.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Just another disappointment in promising player who looked like born to play on higher PL level... but how does Fellaini get more games than him is material for a whole different story.

Makes you think if Schweinsteiger is leaving because the lack of involvement, Fellaini thinking about Italy and Schneiderlin being open about possible move, so who do we have in line to replace them and possibly even Carrick too in a not so distant future...
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Fellaini has been a lot better than him for us.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Just another disappointment in promising player who looked like born to play on higher PL level... but how does Fellaini get more games than him is material for a whole different story.

Makes you think if Schweinsteiger is leaving because the lack of involvement, Fellaini thinking about Italy and Schneiderlin being open about possible move, so who do we have in line to replace them and possibly even Carrick too in a not so distant future...
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Fellaini is an eyesore more often than not but he's at least had some good/important moments. Has Schneiderlin had a single good game for us? He basically mirrors Cleverley.
 
Irrational. said:
Not confirmed (that's what the BBC are running with at the moment), but judging from our track record it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we sold him for a measly sum.
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It's just a bid and a figure that is the lowest quoted - so hold your horses on it. I'd be surprised purely because unlike some of previous players we have sold for, there is likely to be some competition for Schneiderlin.
 
2cents said:
Fellaini has been a lot better than him for us.
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Hojoon said:
Fellaini is an eyesore more often than not but he's at least had some good/important moments. Has Schneiderlin had a single good game for us? He basically mirrors Cleverley.
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:lol:

That's just festival of cruelty for Schneiderlin but indeed, our squad depth is so uninspired at times.

On defense of Morgan I can say that despite his lacking involvement he doesn't make too much critical errors if gets his chance to play... but that doesn't saying much anyway.
 
Kag said:
This just isn't true. It was a very long time ago, and certainly feels longer than that, but Schneiderlin had good games during the first half of last season. Collectively, the wheels fell off the bus and the second half of the season turned into a bit of a mess on the whole. As for this season, he simply hasn't had a kick.

Personally, I don't think he's had a fair crack of the whip and it's a shame how his time here has transpired.
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It absolutely is true. It's pretty much impossible for a first team player to have NO good games over a two year period. So yeah, Schneiderlin has had a few good games early on, which is barely even worth mentioning to be honest. Thing is, it's nowhere near the amount of times someone like Fellaini has played well, and that puts into perspective just how pointless he's been.

And the "collective" excuse just doesn't work. Everyone else has had good runs here and there, and some have completely upped their level under new management.

And Schneiderlin has clearly "not had a kick" this season because Mourinho thinks he's a bit shit.

Btw I'm quoting not quoting your words/sentences to be condescending. I'm just being a lazy fart. Who has now typed three extra lines to explain that. Sigh.
 
Is "not giving a player game time" = "forcing the player out"?
 
Kag said:
This just isn't true. It was a very long time ago, and certainly feels longer than that, but Schneiderlin had good games during the first half of last season. Collectively, the wheels fell off the bus and the second half of the season turned into a bit of a mess on the whole. As for this season, he simply hasn't had a kick.

Personally, I don't think he's had a fair crack of the whip and it's a shame how his time here has transpired.
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Some people thought he played well in the first half. Lots of people didn't.

Aug'15:
Brwned said:
More Hargreaves than Fletcher for me. Startling lack of awareness on the ball at times but non-stop energy and aggression.
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Nov'15:
Halftrack said:
Strangely, his objectively "worst" performances have been in games where we've won, whilst his better performances are usually when we do poorly and he's playing next to a struggling Schweinsteiger.
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Brwned said:
Do you think that's strange? I think it's illuminating. If he plays well when we don't play well then perhaps what he does well isn't actually that important or even beneficial to the team. People might like seeing it but that's deceptive. People say Carrick couldn't have done what he did and I agree - but he wouldn't have had to. He's covered for Schweinstiger's poor performances on the ball and helped us dominate the midfield regardless.

It's setting the bar extremely low if we're saying "well, we lost control of the midfield, and in that scenario he did well to get stuck in and battle away". We should be expecting him to wrestle back control of the midfield. That's his role. Defending well is part of that but not the extent of it.

How many games have we been found lacking in when he hasn't played? He offers all of these things like bite, energy, defensive protection etc. but how many times has us "lacking" that really hindered the team? Very rarely, in my view.

We keep a clean sheet in ~50% of our games with or without him so I don't think we can say any of the above really translates into better defensive performances. We could say it translates to unquantifiable things like midfield dominance and leave it there, but I just think his influence is being vastly overstated. I think that's mostly because he fits the profile of the kind of player so many people have wanted since Keane retired, so just by his style of play alone he wins praise.
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It's pretty evident why he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip. He's been crumbling under the pressure since day 1.

Fortitude said:
That's been the biggest letdown for me with him; whether he has the ability or not remains to be seen because he never had the nerve to go out there and prove it one way or the other. To be so crippled by the stage and then be so inhibited at a club that demands the opposite is a real pity.

It could be said that he wasn't treated fairly, but at the same time, it's fair to say that what he delivered didn't warrant more chances, especially over others who were prepared to give it everything they had whether they came up short or not.
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Yeah, it's a shame. Nothing anyone can do about it really. Mentally he wasn't up to it in the same way someone like Ben Foster wasn't up to it. I think he probably had the talent to play a limited but useful role for us but I'm not entirely sure. When he did pluck up the courage to get on the ball occasionally he played a lot of overhit long balls and a lot of stupid short passes. He's probably only suited to play for a counter-attacking team even if he did have the mentality, and that was never what we were going to be under van Gaal or Mourinho.
 
60 million for Oscar and 13 or even 20 million for Schnederlin, sorry but what the f$%k.

We truly are the worst at getting any value. We need to flog players to the new Chinese league.
 
Defensive midfielder who struggles to defend set pieces. Good energy and tackling ability but has shown to be lacking in most other respects for us.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
60 million for Oscar and 13 or even 20 million for Schnederlin, sorry but what the f$%k.

We truly are the worst at getting any value. We need to flog players to the new Chinese league.
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Oscar is a much better player compared to Schniderlin. We need to stop buying mediocre players and feigning shock that they have no resale value.
 
Why can't we sell this fecker to China? If Oscar is worth £50m so is he.
 
Trizy said:
Why can't we sell this fecker to China? If Oscar is worth £50m so is he.
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Three factors there

1. Someone from China would want to sign Morgan (still might do)
2. Schneiderlin has a choice if he wants to stay in England or go to China.
3. Oscar is a much better player than Schneiderlin
 
STaphouse said:
Mata wasn't forced out. He wanted first team football, Mourinho couldn't promise that so he let Mata leave. Mata actually still played a fair bit of football for Chelsea that season.

He's also not forcing Schneiderlin out. Schneiderlin just clearly doesn't fit into this side so, again, Moruinho has said that he can leave to play first team football.


Oh and to loads of others in this thread, Schneiderlin is NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER. He never was.
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Yes, its definitely a bit different given the transfer values (huge for Mata, most likely small for Schneiderlin) and Mata being given more chances that season. However like you said, Mata asked to leave when he felt he wasn't being valued and likewise Schneiderlin is asking to leave because he feels that same way.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Three factors there

1. Someone from China would want to sign Morgan (still might do)
2. Schneiderlin has a choice if he wants to stay in England or go to China.
3. Oscar is a much better player than Schneiderlin
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Oscar, is terrible. They're equally as bad as each other.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Pretty big mistake? The evidence of the following season after Mata's transfer seems to point to the contrary.

Mourinho didn't force anyone out. Mata wasn't getting the game time he desired so he made the decision to leave. Chelsea got a fortune for him, and look like they are getting even more for Oscar.

Mourinho also won the league very convincingly the following season with no Mata, and with Oscar starting the majority of games. Who knows what might have happened if Mata had stayed and played instead of Oscar?
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Oscar never really did anything after that point but gain plaudits for closing down and now he's someone Chelsea are happy to let go of. De Bruyne was another let go, in the same position.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
60 million for Oscar and 13 or even 20 million for Schnederlin, sorry but what the f$%k.

We truly are the worst at getting any value. We need to flog players to the new Chinese league.
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You can only flog players there if they have zero ambition and are willing to uproot to culture that is 180 degress from what they are used to.
 
In this market, he's worth £20m+ of anybody's money. I'm not going to list the number of bang average players that have gone for that or more in the past 5 years, you'll be able to recall several on your own i'm sure.

He wants to leave and the manager has said he will sell, but that shouldn't weaken our position too much. We have at least two clubs after him, and it is January after all.
 
Devil may care said:
You can only flog players there if they have zero ambition and are willing to uproot to culture that is 180 degress from what they are used to.
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China is all about players who want huge amounts of money over a relatively short period.
Type of player who goes there is probably one of the "I could do a couple of years in pokey if I could keep the
20 million in gold bars that I stole" clan. Nobody else is going to pay Oscar 400K a week tax free and Chinese football is probably better than Gulf State football.
 
I would really take him at Chelsea. Imagine him partnering Kante or Matic in the middle. He would be definitely useful next season with European games for squad rotation. Would buy him for around 20mn.
 
It's disappointing things didn't work out better with him. It's been fairly obvious for a while that Mourinho doesn't have a place for him in the squad so it's only fair we let him leave.

I'd hope we're able to get something north of £20m for him given Everton and West Brom's interest - money shouldn't be a problem for either of them and Schneiderlin is well worth that if utilised correctly. I hope we have a replacement in mind though, it worries me if Fellaini is the only other midfield option.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
60 million for Oscar and 13 or even 20 million for Schnederlin, sorry but what the f$%k.

We truly are the worst at getting any value. We need to flog players to the new Chinese league.
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This may surprise you but not all players would want to go and waste their prime in a nothing league.
 
Devil may care said:
You can only flog players there if they have zero ambition and are willing to uproot to culture that is 180 degress from what they are used to.
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Moving to West Brom from Manchester United is hardly a sign of ambition, he just wants to play in a league he is used to without having to actually fight for a place in the team.

And have you ever been to West Bromwich? I think it would be less of a culture shock to move to Shanghai.
 
I still have never understood why fans care about transfer fee's (either ins or outs). What's the difference to a club like United whether they get £13 million or £18 million or £20 million?

Other clubs know this and bid accordingly, especially clubs that have a harder time balancing their ledgers.

And it's hard to argue in Schnederlin's case that he worth anything. Southhampton performances from 2 years ago? Has no relevance.
 
PieCrust said:
I still have never understood why fans care about transfer fee's (either ins or outs). What's the difference to a club like United whether they get £13 million or £18 million or £20 million?

Other clubs know this and bid accordingly, especially clubs that have a harder time balancing their ledgers.

And it's hard to argue in Schnederlin's case that he worth anything. Southhampton performances from 2 years ago? Has no relevance.
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There's no reason why we shouldn't hold out for as much money as we can. The club is in a good position financially but it doesn't make sense to allow a player to leave for less than their worth because we can afford to do it.

Just because things didn't work out for Schneiderlin here it doesn't mean to say that he can't still be a good player elsewhere. His performances at Southampton are of relevance because the two teams interested in him are much closer to their level than we are. He has proven his worth at that level and actually looked like one of the better midfielders in the league at one time. There's no need to sell ourselves short when Schneiderlin could quite easily command that kind of fee.
 
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