Schneiderlin would more than 'do a job' for us though and van Gaal is crying out for someone to sit in front of the back four, especially as Carrick is fecked.
I am really fed up that he's going to Spurs tbh, loved watching him last season.
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Schneiderlin would more than 'do a job' for us though and van Gaal is crying out for someone to sit in front of the back four, especially as Carrick is fecked.
I am really fed up that he's going to Spurs tbh, loved watching him last season.
Schneiderlinn is a hell of a lot better than wanyama and the vast majority of premier league midfielders. Why would I be making a case to sign him otherwise?
The only reason I came into this thread was to read the OP name in full. Odd
The thread in the General where that originated is worth a read...
Been asking for us to sign him since last summer. All-around combative midfielder who is good on the ball. Not many midfielders in the league who can play his role as good and are versatile enough to play the defensive mid or box-to-box role. If Arsenal signed him they`d be serious title contenders. Would fit perfectly here too next to Herrera.
Not really sure we need him in all honesty. He's a good midfielder but there are other areas we need to improve, namely a left winger, striker and a centre back.
Our central midfield is pretty stacked and its not as bad as it looked last year. Sandro's a top DM and Paulinho is nothing special but is 'good enough', he just doesn't light the place up. Dembele is decent enough, not a big fan but he's alright.
I wouldn't complain though as like I said, he's a good player and looked very good for France when he played. Very highly rated by Southampton fans by all accounts as well.
Our central midfield is pretty stacked and its not as bad as it looked last year. Sandro's a top DM and Paulinho is nothing special but is 'good enough', he just doesn't light the place up. Dembele is decent enough, not a big fan but he's alright.
I wouldn't complain though as like I said, he's a good player and looked very good for France when he played. Very highly rated by Southampton fans by all accounts as well.
Dembele seems like he might be an awkward fit for Pochettino's system and he could probably fetch a decent fee if sold. I could see this:
------------Soldado/Kane/Adebayor-------
Rodriguez/Lennon--Eriksen/Holtby---Lamela/Lennon
---Schneiderlin/Capoue-Paulinho/Sandro---
Davies/Rose--------------------Walker/Naughton
----Vertonghen/Chichires-Kaboul/???------
---------------Lloris/Vorm/Friedel-------------
You finish 5th-7th, Lloris and Vertonghen leave for CL football and you buy a couple of defenders to make a proper run at a top 4 squad.
Soldado is a good player. Give him chances and he wil lscore.
Eriksen-Schneiderlin-Lamela is 3/5th of a top 4 midfield.
Vertonghen has the talent. The rest of the D is too shaky, though.
I'm really not impressed with that D at all. I think I've turned on Spurs' chances while writing this post.
Jay Rodriguez is meant to be on the way out too. That's 7 starts if Chambers was first choice for this season. Its such a pity, I admired S'ton for coming up, progressing and playing attractive football.
I was hoping he'd stay at Saints and if we didn't get Vidal then he could be a back up. Ive rated him for a while, G Nev's did a piece on him few seasons ago and he was right, he's massively important to Saints' style he also looked good for France in the games he played. Wouldnt have minded him as a fall back plan.
Slightly unsure on Spurs' transfer strategy, Vorm unnecessary and Schneiderlin also unnecessary understand managers like to have players from their old club to ensure some support etc. But assume Spurs must be letting go of a few if he goes there. Bentalab looked alright I thought last year thought Pocchetino might want to give him a go, liking young players etc.
Soooo.... Is he sold yet?
If the rumoured fee of £20m is to be believed, I'd love us to hijack this deal. I feel he'd compliment Herrera very well.
Or, we could just take Sandro off of Spurs as I assume if they sign Schneiderlin that Sandro is off.
Or, we could just take Sandro off of Spurs as I assume if they sign Schneiderlin that Sandro is off.
You could but it'd be laughed at with Wanyama struggling to look a half decent premier league player last season let alone one for a top club to look at. Jack Cork was more impressive than he was. In fact mentioning Wanyama says everything
Hes actually a good player. He's every bit as underrated as Wanyama is overrated,if that makes sense....
Gutted we aren't in for him. Makes me wonder who Arsenal are signing for CDM if they aren't getting Khedira or Schneiderlin.
I think he's very decent, just unlikely to improve a great deal and at 25 he's probably at the level of club thats right for him and the rest of his career.
I saw nothing in him before last season however
Schneiderlin or Cork would be very shroud signings in my opinion. Would fit in well with the system(s) the manager is trying to integrated.
His yet to reach his prime so he will likely improve and with better players around him he can only get better.
Hes was always v highly rated when he was a kid at Chelsea but was never going to get a look in there. He does the simple things v well.
Totally separate point re Lovren.....he got a lot of protection from both Cork and Wanyama it'll be interesting to see how he gets on with Gerard and Henderson onfront of him. I suspect we'll see some of the patchy form he displayed in France.
Acutally, I've heard that there are quite a few players available for cut price:
- A tall afro-head MF destroyer who played for Belgium in the WC
- A talented English winger who have the penchant for diving with the most minimal of contact
- A fat Brazillian who once destroyed Fabregas in CM
- A mercurial Portugese winger who can play like Ronaldo on his day
I expect Cleverley will be at Cork's level this season, or else it'll be hard for him to find a top half of the table side.
He'll go, clearly pretty much handed in a transfer request, and when you get to that point he'll win over the club as they'd rather have £25+ mil than an unhappy CM.
Poor from him, but you can understand why he wants out a bit, also French have a bit of fire in them to call a club out like he has here.
Poor from him, but you can understand why he wants out a bit, also French have a bit of fire in them to call a club out like he has here.
Shouldn't we be pushing to sign this guy? Schneiderlin would be a great addition to our team, good ball winner and very technical.
If Vidal really is a no go, then we should look at him as the next best option. He has the most tackles and interceptions of anybody in the premier league over the last 2/3 seasons apparently, and is obviously a decent passer going by his southampton form. Depending on price of course we could do a lot worse.
Sky are saying he's handed in a transfer request.
We should but we won't.
He probably hasn't been scouted and been mentally analysed for 5 years, so that rules him out.
I don't blame him at all for wanting to leave. The owners have sold half of his team-mates. He's currently 1/8 to go to Spurs.
It's a shame we didn't start preparing a bid in 2011 or we might've had a chance.
It's a shame we didn't start preparing a bid in 2011 or we might've had a chance.
OT but did the OP really sign up with that username or is it some sort of mod prank? 
http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/0...-Midfielders-Can-Offer-More-Than-Schneiderlin
Whoscored's writeup about Schneiderlin.
Player Focus: Few Midfielders Can Offer More Than Schneiderlin
by Ben McAleer at Tuesday, Jul 29 2014 17:10
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On Monday, Ronald Koeman tweeted a picture of a pitch devoid of players, accompanied with the phrase "Ready for Training!". In light of Southampton’s recent sales, some felt the tweet was tongue in cheek from the boss, who has lost a number of key players this summer. This transfer window alone, Adam Lallana, Rickie Lambert and Dejan Lovren have moved to Liverpool, while Calum Chambers and Luke Shaw have signed for Arsenal and Manchester United, respectively.
Recent reports suggests Jay Rodriguez and Morgan Schneiderlin will follow the quintet out of the St. Mary’s exit door, though Saints are adament both players aren't for sale. The south coast club performed well enough in the absence of Rodriguez, who suffered a knee injury away at Manchester City in April, but the loss of Schneiderlin would arguably be the bigger blow to the team.
Only Lovren (7.32) and Jose Fonte (7.21), another who has been linked with a move away from the south coast, earned better a WhoScored rating than Schneiderlin (7.20) in England’s top tier last term, reflecting how well he played in the 2013/14 campaign. The midfielder was crucial under Pochettino last season, playing a big role in their 8th placed finish, but the recent sales of his now former teammates are believed to have convinced him that his future lies elsewhere.
Schneiderlin’s displays in the heart of the midfield earned him a place in the France squad for the 2014 World Cup, though with Paul Pogba, Yohan Cabaye and Blaise Matuidi ahead of him in the pecking order, the Saints star was limited to just 1 appearance in Brazil, that coming in the 0-0 draw with Ecuador. Regardless, the 24-year-old impressed in the stalemate, proving he can perform at the top level. Only Toni Kroos (10 vs Algeria) won possession more times in the midfield third in a single match at the competition than Schneiderlin (9 vs Ecuador), while he also made 2 tackles and 3 interceptions in his 90 minute outing.
However, it's his league form that has won him admiring glances. Signing from Strasbourg in 2008, the midfielder was central to Saints’ rise through the leagues, culminating in their promotion to the Premier League in 2012. Rather than be overawed by the occasion, Schneiderlin took to the rigours of Saints’ new surroundings with ease, as his WhoScored rating from the 2012/13 season (7.23) indicates.
During his time in England’s top tier, Schneiderlin has made more tackles and interceptions combined (466) than any other player. His doggedness in the heart of midfield has seen him gain WhoScored strengths of ‘tackling’ and ‘ball interception’ as he ruthlessly goes about his business in the middle of the park. Unfortunately, this physical approach was always going to be noticed by officials and it is no shock that only Pablo Zabaleta (18) has picked up more yellow cards in the last two league seasons than Schneiderlin (17).
The France international is frequently involved in midfield battles, so while this belligerent approach benefits the team, Schneiderlin will often find himself in hot water with referees. Only four players have committed more fouls in England’s top tier between 2012 and 2014 than the midfielder (116), reinforcing his combativeness.
In such a key position however, this style of play is essential. Only Youssuf Mulumbu (327) has won possession more times in the midfield third than Schneiderlin (304) in the last two league campaigns. Without sacrificing possession for his team in the process of winning the ball, Schneiderlin is able to use his vision and awareness to instigate attacks, feeding the ball to his attack-minded teammates in Pochettino’s high pressing system. With a commendable pass success (87.3%) in his two seasons in England’s top tier, Schneiderlin is capable of picking out a teammate when in possession, playing a key part in the fact that Saints averaged the most possession (58.6%) in the Premier League last season.
On the back of Pochettino’s appointment at White Hart Lane, links with a move to Spurs were to be expected. Schneiderlin was crucial to the Argentine’s possession based game at St. Mary’s during his time on the south coast and the midfielder clearly adheres to the plans of his former boss, so one can understand the desire to take him to north London.
In Mousa Dembélé, Sandro, Paulinho and Etienne Capoue, Pochettino has sufficient midfield options at Spurs, but the pursuit of Schneiderlin suggests the new boss doesn’t trust the current quartet to translate his ideas on the pitch. With Spurs battling on four fronts next season however, the Argentine requires strength in depth if the club is to enjoy a successful campaign. Schneiderlin started 31 of the 38 league games under Pochettino last season, and having not suffered any injuries, this hints that his all-action performances can take their toll, so the availability of quality options in the middle of the park will appeal to the Spurs boss.
Nevertheless, Saints’ loss would be another team’s gain. Dušan Tadić and Graziano Pellè certainly help to make up for the sales of Lallana and Lambert respectively, while the club now has money in the bank to cover the departures of Lovren, Chambers and Shaw. Replacing a player of Schneiderlin’s quality, though, will be a much tougher task for the club this summer and it's of the utmost importance Saints resist the temptation to sell.
Whoscored's writeup about Schneiderlin.
We should be in for him. I'd prefer signing him to Vidal, IMO he would give us more balance.
He would be my 3rd option if Vidal and strootman are concrete no goes.
I think he would be a good buy and I also don't think we should buy him instead of Vidal or Strootman, just buy both. We need midfielders anyway. Fellaini will be sold at some point, Cleverley shouldn't be better than 4th choice anyway and Carrick is getting old, so our midfield needs a overhaul, if we don't want to have a shit midfield again in the next years or when someone like Herrera is injured. If we get Vidal, he could still be a great squad player, if not, then he can start with Herrera and next summer we sign Strootman 
Schneiderlain would be a great signing for us.
I'd be utterly gobsmacked if we signed him. Tidy player,.
They seem to be signing Taider on loan from Inter too. That gives them a 5th competent CM (Wanyama, Cork, Davis, WardProwse) on a team with maybe 5 other top-level players at all other non-keeper positions (Pelle, Tadic, Clyne, Fonte and let's count Yoshida and Rodriguez as a half each for entirely different reasons).
Schneiderlin surely leaving. He would be a great signing for us. He could start in the 3-5-2 along with Herrera and next year be the DM when we go 4-3-3 with Herrera and a signed CM (Strootman, Vidal, who the feck knows?) in front of him. Carrick's deal expires next summer but can be extended for one final year, at which point he'll be turning 35 and surely retiring or moving to America/The Republic of ISIS for a payday.
Schneiderlin surely leaving. He would be a great signing for us. He could start in the 3-5-2 along with Herrera and next year be the DM when we go 4-3-3 with Herrera and a signed CM (Strootman, Vidal, who the feck knows?) in front of him. Carrick's deal expires next summer but can be extended for one final year, at which point he'll be turning 35 and surely retiring or moving to America/The Republic of ISIS for a payday.
Eriksen, Schneiderlin, Paulinho, Sandro, Capoue are good midfield options. Lamela is potentially brilliant that much is clear, it's just about fulfilling that. We badly need a left winger and I hope it's not Rodriguez, we need one to come in straight away with quality.
We'll sign a defender to partner Vertonghen I think. Davies is a top left back and a very good signing and Walker, well I don't rate him that highly but I don't rate Johnson or Debuchy that highly either. He has potential and if he can get back to the form which saw him win YPOTY award he's still one of the better right backs in the league. Right now he's a liability but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.
The defense isn't bad at all if we sign one to partner Vertonghen. Even if we don't Chriches was very good for his debut season last year. Not sure he's the right partner for Vert though to be honest. Would be a decent backup.
If we do make that signing at CB and get Schneiderlin in I don't think we'll be poor defensively at all. I think the main thing we have to hope for next year is Lamela to push on, we badly lack any creativity other than Eriksen and if Lamela can add that explosive threat and dribbling from the right hand side it'd be massive for us. Like I said, bring in a decent left sided winger and we'll be in business. Then it's all about getting Soldado firing, who like you said is a decent player who still needs to be given time. If he doesn't hit any form, Adebayor isn't a poor backup in all honesty. Was good for us last season.
Eriksen's top quality and potentially him and Lamela could really frighten teams.
Think we'll finish 5th but it could easily be lower. So many teams have gotten better this season, we badly need some of our summer signings to have settled in a bit and to push on. People were too harsh labeling them all flops after one season in a new league.
Interesting evaluation of Walker, @Eriksen. Who are your top 3 right-backs in the Premiership?
Zabaleta, Coleman and Rafael. In that order.
Probably spot on. Be interesting to see if Coleman pushes on or if his development is more like Walker's. Zabaleta was a steal for City similar to when we signed Evra in terms of the price paid and the types of player they were.
Spurs' problem is a lack of real upside. Where can you see them really getting top production? For me it's:
Manager - Pochettino was brilliant at Southampton and he loves pressing. Good enough for me.
RW - Lamela has the tools
LCB - Vertonghen had an off-year, but he's a good player and was fantastic for 3 or 4 months in his first season
DM - Let's say one of Sandro or Schneiderlin could make a leap forward
I left out Eriksen because I don't think he'll score a bunch or be a plus defensively, so even though he's a lovely player you need more from a 10 to be top bracket. Soldado could score 20 goals, but won't do much else. The fullbacks are fast in straight lines but otherwise a bit average.
I think Pochettino will improve them, but a good season for them would be 6th place (finish ahead of one of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, they won't catch Chelsea or Citeh), a Cup final and one of Chichires/Kaboul, one of Davies/Walker and one of Sandro/Paulinho really taking to Pochettino's system and leaving them poised to do something after next summer if they can sign another winger with talent, a CM who can really pass the ball to properly replace Modric and a fullback to start opposite the one that improves.
And even then they'll probably lose Vertonghen and Lloris and be right back to square one, really.
Manager - Pochettino was brilliant at Southampton and he loves pressing. Good enough for me.
RW - Lamela has the tools
LCB - Vertonghen had an off-year, but he's a good player and was fantastic for 3 or 4 months in his first season
DM - Let's say one of Sandro or Schneiderlin could make a leap forward
I left out Eriksen because I don't think he'll score a bunch or be a plus defensively, so even though he's a lovely player you need more from a 10 to be top bracket. Soldado could score 20 goals, but won't do much else. The fullbacks are fast in straight lines but otherwise a bit average.
I think Pochettino will improve them, but a good season for them would be 6th place (finish ahead of one of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, they won't catch Chelsea or Citeh), a Cup final and one of Chichires/Kaboul, one of Davies/Walker and one of Sandro/Paulinho really taking to Pochettino's system and leaving them poised to do something after next summer if they can sign another winger with talent, a CM who can really pass the ball to properly replace Modric and a fullback to start opposite the one that improves.
And even then they'll probably lose Vertonghen and Lloris and be right back to square one, really.
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