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I'm surprised so many people are sill confident of this still happening. All the signs indicate we low-balled Southampton a while back and then left it. Surely he'd be ours by now if we wanted him? We leave to go on tour on Monday and it doesn't look like a complicated transfer to complete.

All logic points towards us not wanting him after we found out Schweinsteiger was available. Really hoping I'm wrong.
 
I don't think this one will happen anymore. At least definitely not before tomorrow.
 
LonelyFire said:
I think you'll be wrong on this. We, as in fans, may have only found out about Schweinsteiger yesterday but it won't be when Utd knew they were getting him - that would have been a while ago. During that time we still made a formal move for Schneiderlin. As for the delay in going back to Southampton with another bid - formalising the Schweinsteiger move strengthens our hand in the sense that Southampton can't play the "desperate" card. A compromise will be reached - and I don't think it will be long before we hear.
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I hope I am wrong too. Another angle might be, that if United are still looking to buy him, Schneiderlin might be wondering what his role in a side fairly packed with midfielders will be. Assuming Spurs might also be in for him and maybe Arsenal back in too, we might not be a preference for him. We could have wrapped up this deal ages ago. I don't think haggling over 5m was the main thing at all - it was LvG's preference for Schweinsteiger should he be available which held everything up. I'm afraid this might well prove to be a great opportunity missed.
 
Tarrou said:
I'm surprised so many people are sill confident of this still happening. All the signs indicate we low-balled Southampton a while back and then left it. Surely he'd be ours by now if we wanted him? We leave to go on tour on Monday and it doesn't look like a complicated transfer to complete.

All logic points towards us not wanting him after we found out Schweinsteiger was available. Really hoping I'm wrong.
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A lot of reasonably reliable media outlets are saying we're still in for him and have the transfer all but wrapped up. No media, as far as I'm aware, have said that the Schweinsteiger deal signals the end of our Schneiderlin pursuit. I think that's why people are confident.
 
Tarrou said:
I'm surprised so many people are sill confident of this still happening. All the signs indicate we low-balled Southampton a while back and then left it. Surely he'd be ours by now if we wanted him? We leave to go on tour on Monday and it doesn't look like a complicated transfer to complete.

All logic points towards us not wanting him after we found out Schweinsteiger was available. Really hoping I'm wrong.
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Southampton want to get closer to 30m for him we want to pay closer to 20m. How is this an easy transfer to complete?

All the reports(its all we got) after the Bastian deal suggest we still want him. Ajax have apparently prepared themselves for Classie to leave - the player the Southampton manager says will replace Morgan. We could get a deal done today, fly him to manchester for a medical and have him on the plane to the US tomorrow.
 
Kant-ona said:
Oh, you should know better. I thought that the French around Strasbourg all learn German as their second language. Arsene Wenger (born in Strasbourg) for example speaks perfectly German.
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few speak German, most people take English as the second language, so he might speak German but it's doubtful. Though some speak Alsacian and I suppose understand German like Wenger.
 
Things moving now if latest tweets anything to go by. Clasie deal, Southhampton's mooted replacement, might have been holding whole show up.
 
Tarrou said:
I'm surprised so many people are sill confident of this still happening. All the signs indicate we low-balled Southampton a while back and then left it. Surely he'd be ours by now if we wanted him? We leave to go on tour on Monday and it doesn't look like a complicated transfer to complete.

All logic points towards us not wanting him after we found out Schweinsteiger was available. Really hoping I'm wrong.
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I'm hoping the fact that they're currently still leaving him out of their pre-season games means something with us is still afoot.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Southampton want to get closer to 30m for him we want to pay closer to 20m. How is this an easy transfer to complete?

All the reports(its all we got) after the Bastian deal suggest we still want him. Ajax have apparently prepared themselves for Classie to leave - the player the Southampton manager says will replace Morgan. We could get a deal done today, fly him to manchester for a medical and have him on the plane to the US tomorrow.
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£30 million is just guesswork. It's easy because they are willing to sell, the player wants to come, and we have the money. Those are all facts.
 
Tarrou said:
£30 million is just guesswork. It's easy because they are willing to sell, the player wants to come, and we have the money. Those are all facts.
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But clearly they value him a bit higher than we do. I think it's a bit naive to say we should simply pay up. Negotiations are part and parcel of transfers.
 
Julian Denny said:
I hope I am wrong too. Another angle might be, that if United are still looking to buy him, Schneiderlin might be wondering what his role in a side fairly packed with midfielders will be. Assuming Spurs might also be in for him and maybe Arsenal back in too, we might not be a preference for him. We could have wrapped up this deal ages ago. I don't think haggling over 5m was the main thing at all - it was LvG's preference for Schweinsteiger should he be available which held everything up. I'm afraid this might well prove to be a great opportunity missed.
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I'd remind you that haggling over 2m cost us Ronaldinho. Clubs do this all the time. It's not about 5m, but it's about showing we won't pay over the odds as we have done the past 2 summers.

How do you know we could have wrapped this up? What's to say Southampton just want to bring a replacement in first? I would suggest you don't panic and see what happens. We pushed ahead with a formal bid - you don't do that unless you want the player and as I said, the idea Schweinsteiger was finalised yesterday is laughable.
 
Jev said:
But clearly they value him a bit higher than we do. I think it's a bit naive to say we should simply pay up. Negotiations are part and parcel of transfers.
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I'm not saying we should just pay up. I'm saying if we were genuinely interested, we would have continued negotiations rather than just low-balled them and left it. If we bid 20 and they wanted 30, for example, clearly there is room for a deal to be done.
 
One the other hand, according to Sky we're still interested in Schneiderlin despite the Bastian deal and strenghtening the midfield has been made a top priority for this summer. The Guardian are basically saying the same thing.
 
Tarrou said:
I'm not saying we should just pay up. I'm saying if we were genuinely interested, we would have continued negotiations rather than just low-balled them and left it. If we bid 20 and they wanted 30, for example, clearly there is room for a deal to be done.
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Who's to say we're not negotiating? Just because we haven't made a second bid doesn't mean there's not plenty of talk going on between intermediaries.
 
Jev said:
Who's to say we're not negotiating? Just because we haven't made a second bit doesn't mean there's not plenty of talk going on between intermediaries.
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Maybe yeah. I'm just going by Koeman's words, which could be a little disengenous or even total bs.
 
Jev said:
Around 25 million seems fair and I think that's where we'll land, hopefully a bit below even. 30 million would be overpriced.
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What difference would it make though?

If we land him for £30m will you really be arsed that your valuation was lower?
 
Rado_N said:
What difference would it make though?

If we land him for £30m will you really be arsed that your valuation was lower?
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No, it's not my money, but of course the club should pay what they think is fair.
 
ivaldo said:
He seems as clueless as the rest of the domestic journalists when it comes to us.
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Yeah Woodward's definitely cut down massively on the briefing so the press have had a lot less accurate information this year. I just thought I'd post it because it is from one of the national papers and because it seems to fly in the face of every other report.
 
Clasie to Southampton Schneirdelin to United.

Another signing soon. Feck Woody is spoiling us :drool:
 
BarstoolProphet said:
Got a sneaky feeling he will end up at City now that Delph rejected them :nervous:
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Possibly, though I think the Delph signing for City was just more of a convenient, opportunistic transfer. By that I mean they were getting a decent homegrown player for £8m so was a bit of a no-brainer. If he was £18m I don't think they'd have gone in for him.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Possibly, though I think the Delph signing for City was just more of a convenient, opportunistic transfer. By that I mean they were getting a decent homegrown player for £8m so was a bit of a no-brainer. If he was £18m I don't think they'd have gone in for him.
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Hope so, but Schneiderlin could really improve their ageing midfield. Plus the obvious homegrown factor.
 
Tarrou said:
£30 million is just guesswork. It's easy because they are willing to sell, the player wants to come, and we have the money. Those are all facts.
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They are willing to sell at the 'right' price. At the end of the day we dont know whats going on.

British media haven't had a clue about our signings this year.
 
City getting Sterling and Schneiderlin would be bad news. I dont mind Sterling, but we should conclude this deal as fast as we can. No dithering around, the interest in Clasie could mean City have made a bid and are in negotiation. Hopefully we are the ones triggering the Clasie transfer and not City
 
Jev said:
Around 25 million seems fair and I think that's where we'll land, hopefully a bit below even. 30 million would be overpriced.
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I dont think so at all. There are maybe 2 better CMs in the league and given what Southampton got for the likes of Lallana I dont think you can expect them to sell for around the same

If he was playing for Roma everyone would be more than happy to spend £30 million on him
 
I wouldn't feel he is overpriced even we buy him for 30m. It just not just another midfielder we buy, I rate him as our most important signing this summer. Let's at least bid a fair 25m first, after all we bought Fellaini for 27m and Herrera for 30m last summer, Schneiderlin at 25-30m isn't overprice in any sense.
 
I don't think we're getting him as we're not very interested.

Think back to the fact that we bid once and haven't made much of a move in over three weeks. The whole "Man United remain interested" is garbage, as we're not revealing anything to the journalists. Briefs and leaks are misleading, simple as that. Then, on Wednesday (maybe Thursday), Mike Keegan went out of his way to compile an article on how we sent out negotiators to push for a deal, which, I believe, was quite simply a smokescreen for the Schweinsteiger deal. And then bang! Friday night and German sources start revealing our bid has been accepted for the German midfielder. If we truly were interested, Schneiderlin would be here. FFS we paid £25m for Depay, a player who we don't actually need or aren't desperate for. Yet we refused to pay the asking price for a player we (previously) required.
 
Bastian is a great signing, but a risk. In his position and the way he plays he's very prone to getting injured, even more so now considering his age. Schneirdelin, I think, would be a solid investment.
 
togg said:
Bastian is a great signing, but a risk. In his position and the way he plays he's very prone to getting injured, even more so now considering his age. Schneirdelin, I think, would be a solid investment.
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I dont think they'd even play the same position. I think Schweinsteiger would have to play in the Fellaini or Ander role further up the pitch, pressing to get the best of him and what he can do going forward. Meanwhile Schneiderlin is the one that can shield the defence.

And if Plan A is Schweinsteiger and Carrick in the same team, 2 players 30+ then I think we'll have a problem. I think thats one of the reasons Bayern were okay letting him go is because they were in that situation with Alonso in for Carrick.
 
Ekeke said:
I dont think so at all. There are maybe 2 better CMs in the league and given what Southampton got for the likes of Lallana I dont think you can expect them to sell for around the same
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The difference is, and I don't rate Lallana that much, but he is a player who can potentially decide games. He is a player who at the right club can win you points directly. Schneiderlin is a player who can contribute, control and stabilise but you always pay more for potential point-winners, strikers, wingers, no. 10's and goalkeepers.
 
Ekeke said:
I dont think they'd even play the same position. I think Schweinsteiger would have to play in the Fellaini or Ander role further up the pitch, pressing to get the best of him and what he can do going forward. Meanwhile Schneiderlin is the one that can shield the defence.

And if Plan A is Schweinsteiger and Carrick in the same team, 2 players 30+ then I think we'll have a problem. I think thats one of the reasons Bayern were okay letting him go is because they were in that situation with Alonso in for Carrick.
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That's so weird to see people say that, Schweinsteiger has played as the deepest midfielder for years, the Schweinsteiger that everyone highly rate play very deep.

Schweinsteiger excels with the game infront of him, when Schneiderlin excels in the middle of the game.
 
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