Schneiderlin had only a few bad games as DM and Fellaini whenever was he there we were atrocious not sure if you agree and see what I'm following by this, I guess its pretty clear, but still its my opinion, fellaini was two steps behind everywhere so what he tried he only concede fauls and was never where he should be. His positioning was again off I mean if Van Gaal wants him to attack when we attack okay, but then he shouldnt think of him as someone who could be back first to defend, we were very prone to counters again due to that. Anyways Morgan didnt have a good game, I gave him five as he couldnt impose himself more on the game and wasnt quite sharp as usualy but as a whole pitcure he didnt cause disorganization of the team play, we simply dont know how to pay ith him, he's often at the byline where he's total useless only to lose the ball and await a worrying counter, so NO schneiderlin wasnt good but he wasnt as bad for our teamplay as fellaini was, esepcially defensively while doing nothing offensively, simply a player to spare.
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Fellaini was terrible and looks terible beside everyone in CM. Just because he lumbers around making fouls doesn't mean he's doing more work he's just constantly in poor positions and makes bad decisions.
He's a midfield specialist at DM, there's a huge amount of CM's who are excellent in one particular area and need to be partnered correctly. Busquets would look just as bad when he has Fellaini beside him.
He was excellent for southampton because he was given a specific role in CM and partnered correctly. Whoever told you he was a box to box CM was lying. He is one of the best DM;s in the league and the stats on how much better we look with his inclusion in all areas back this up.
Fellaini is awful and might have one of the lowest football IQ's I've ever seen, if you really think he was better than Schneiderlin tonight you should give up trying to understand football.
Bravo... Bravo.. Great to see others noticing this.
No he wouldn't because Busquets would at least do his bit of the job with a degree of competence.
I mean, we've seen Carrick partnered with pretty much nobody in years gone by, and he's still managed to play well in his role.
Carrick was mainly partnered with Scholes/Giggs and even then he had plenty of Utd fans regularly slating him as not good enough and this was in the years he had plenty of pace/penetration and experience along side him. Carrick looks every bit as limited as Schweinsteiger in this United side and it's because of how poor/unbalanced the players ahead of them are.
I'm talking about that "one-man midfield" part of his time with us.
Our style and tactics absolutely limit Schneiderlin, I don't disagree with that... but, on a night like tonight, even if he's not exactly got the best partner next to him, he has to be better then almost completely invisible.
Honestly thought he was terrible. Didn't close down the space, gave the ball away again and again. wijnaldum had a field day getting behind him over and over again.
I've said my part on Fellaini tonight: he was very poor.
Schneiderlin was no better and he gets lower marks from me because he didn't even try to stem the flow. I was happy when he signed but he's not a fraction of the player we bought. Why that is can be debated another time.
This fanboy attraction certain players receive is hilarious. Knew it wouldn't take long before "you don't understand football" comes up
I don't think anyone on here who's played football would pick Fellaini to partner them in midfield ahead of Morgan.
No matter how good you are if you have complete shite next to you youll struggle.
I have no idea why we played that partnership, as it was clearly never going to work.
Put him next to Carrick or Bastian and there's a reason we look much more solid.
No matter how good you are if you have complete shite next to you youll struggle.
I have no idea why we played that partnership, as it was clearly never going to work.
Put him next to Carrick or Bastian and there's a reason we look much more solid.
I have seen Darren Gibson and Leon Osman put in consistently decent performances partnered with Fellaini so it really is a shit excuse. I'm pretty sure I've made this exact post before.
I've said my part on Fellaini tonight: he was very poor.
Schneiderlin was no better and he gets lower marks from me because he didn't even try to stem the flow. I was happy when he signed but he's not a fraction of the player we bought. Why that is can be debated another time.
This fanboy attraction certain players receive is hilarious. Knew it wouldn't take long before "you don't understand football" comes up
Fellaini was constantly out of position making Schneiderlins job much harder. Not to mention he should of been sent off for constantly fouling.
Yet he was better than Schneiderlin? Interesting...
Teams set up to play United completely differently to how they set up to play Everton. A midfield of Gibson/Fellaini was never expected to dominate possession.
He was utterly anonymous, irrespective of how poor Fellaini was. I get that playing alongside Fellaini might hinder him defensively...I understand that. But it doesn't excuse his general lack of involvement in the game. I'm really not sure what sort of player he's supposed to be at the moment. He's not involved anywhere near enough to be a box to box. He often doesn't offer enough defensively to be seen as a genuine anchor man or defensive mid, and he's certainly not particularly creative. He's had some decent performances, but ones like this are incredibly poor and he needs to up his game. Fortunately, it's only his first season and even if he doesn't improve too much, I expect we'll see the best of him eventually.
Fellaini was a better player for you. It takes a bit more to be a competent midfielder for United than for Everton or Southampton. Something Schneiderlin is finding out probably. He'll improve.
Our own side isn't performing a lot better than Everton have in some of their better seasons, to be honest. Although I agree he'll improve.
In a physical game he was actually getting involved, trying to win the ball back, trying to make an impact. For that even though he was shit I put him above his partner.
What is it that Schneiderlin did?
The pressure of playing for Manchester United is still there though. Mentally it's a completely different thing compared to most teams in England.
So roaming out of position thus losing the teams shape, and constantly giving away stupid fouls is to be applauded?
I've said my part on Fellaini tonight: he was very poor.
Schneiderlin was no better and he gets lower marks from me because he didn't even try to stem the flow. I was happy when he signed but he's not a fraction of the player we bought. Why that is can be debated another time.
This fanboy attraction certain players receive is hilarious. Knew it wouldn't take long before "you don't understand football" comes up
In the match day thread he said he thought he had a good game. I honestly don't think Morgan Schneiderlin's mother herself would say he had a good game.
His job may have been harder playing along side Fellaini (though as I said, they were actually quite close together a lot of the time) but that still doesn't absolve him from being poor at the stuff that he was doing. Players were just running past him for fun at times, and our defence had zero protection. Obviously Fellaini being there was a big factor in that, but Morgan played his part as well.
I have seen them do it plenty of times though. Then again Gibson is a better passer than Schneiderlin though so maybe that is why it worked.
Perhaps, but it's not as if he's even looking nervy or error prone. He was just anonymous tonight, and while he's generally been a good bit better than that for us, it's not the first game in which he's gone completely missing.
Who is applauding it ffs?
You are twisting it from one extreme to another. "Oh he thinks Fellaini was better than Schneiderlin so he thinks Fellaini was good"
I said Fellaini was very poor. Schneiderlin was shite. The two worst players on the pitch
I know Schneiderlin has more quality to his game but for whatever reason we're not seeing it. This place was extremely quick to jump on other signings but "Morgan" gets a pass when he's been no more than average.
I'm talking about in general how players who sign for us seem to struggle. And Schneiderlin looked more confident with his passing at Southampton than currently for us.
I think that's more down to tactics/poor management/poor signings than simply being nervous.
Can't see anyone who would rate him after performance like this but when you look at single game our modfield wasnt complete shit when fellaini played there I will applaud you, everyone would struggle, it was maybe this city game last season when we hit top form and everyone was flying so herrera-carrick-fellaini showed us it could work but it wasnt for long, and that game he had special instructions I believe to get on Yaya, next couple of games he was good he palyed further forward, almost like 10ahead of Herrera but started next to him, beside that few games whenever he palyed midfield the other player struggled, whether it was Sweinsteigger, Schneiderlin or herrera. It's no wonder he's shit midfielder and average player used out of his position and he's just causing positional chaos. So yeah none can praise Schneiderlin for todays performance but we can feel for him. He also showed when played with anyone else there that 90% times we were solid as feck and didnt lose games and concede more than two goals like we do with fellaini. so thats that
Most of the time he partners Schweinsteiger. He's been underwhelming then too (Schneiderlin that is )
no that is
He's getting more of a "pass" than some players because he's only been here 6 months and generally when he plays, we don't lose, so he gets less stick.
Was shit. And the 'well he had Fellaini next to him' excuse is nonsense.
What is his "one man midfield time" exactly?
I've said my part on Fellaini tonight: he was very poor.
Schneiderlin was no better and he gets lower marks from me because he didn't even try to stem the flow. I was happy when he signed but he's not a fraction of the player we bought. Why that is can be debated another time.
This fanboy attraction certain players receive is hilarious. Knew it wouldn't take long before "you don't understand football" comes up
If you thought we'd signed a box to box midfielder then you were mistaken, I had this debate with multiple posters when we signed him that he's an out and out DM and they disagreed. When he's played in his role with players around him who also have a specific role he's excellent. LVG constantly changing the system/formation/personnel means you will likely never see the best of him unless it's resolved.
How about making more tackles/interceptions and passes, that's not an opinion either it's a fact you can look up the post match stats.
There's a lot of nonsense floating around about LVG due to some fans now having an irrational hatred of him such as how he carries a clipboard or doesn't go on the touchline and overuses philosophy etc but his use of Schneiderlin is a major criticism in my eyes and doesn't get enough attention. When he said we had a very unbalanced squad I totally agreed so when some key areas were addressed in the summer along with his love for balance I was pretty excited. Schneiderlin in my eyes was the best DM in the premier league, number 1 for tackles last 2 seasons number 2 for interceptions top 5 for distance covered etc With our lack of physicality and energy he ticks all the boxes and the start he made was very promising because not only did we have the best defence in the league when you looked at the underlying numbers we were on par with Atletico for conceding chances and allowing shots in dangerous areas when he played which has been unheard of for a United team.
Dropping him vs Arsenal and then subsequently chopping and changing the midfield pairings has been a disaster and maybe now LVG is beginning to realise it. Missing for Bournemouth/Norwich/Stoke and we lose all 3, comes back into the side and we look much better vs Chelsea/Swansea + should have won today.
The key to a successful midfield is harmonious relationships, having players who offer different dimensions and compliment each other. Pirlo's managers realised he was limited in all areas of athleticism so they paired him alongside Seedorf/Gattuso then later Vidal/Pogba. Busquets has the luxury of playing alongside Iniesta/Rakitic. Matic has Fabregas/Oscar with him so it's little surprise to see people begin to slate his performances when the form of the other two goes down the toilet. If any of Pirlo/Matic/Busquets had to play alongside Fellaini they'd struggle.
What makes Schneiderlin different in my eyes and why i'm critical of LVG is because he was LVG signing whereas Fellaini was brought under Moyes and Herrera deal was just something LVG approved. I was under the impression LVG would have a very clear idea of how he wanted his side to play but more and more it seems as if he has no real idea how to shape the team and is essentially making it up as he goes along. If you added Schneiderlin to the current Arsenal side were he'd be a huge upgrade on Coquelin you'd see his performances match those of Southampton and significantly improve their title chances.
Quite possibly the most overrated player in the squad. No doubt people will be on here soon enough to tell anyone who will listen that you just don't understand football or how he's a pure DM and all that crap. Almost 6 months at United and I've seen nothing from him to suggest he's good enough for the club. A painfully limited player so far. Needs to pull his socks up asap.
I don't blame him for his performance, it is hard for most players to be in and out of the squad and to be expected to play at top level. Players need match fitness and rhythm to find consistencies which the whole of our team lacks.
It's no coincidence everyone that has played alongside Fellaini in midfield this season has been overrun.
been a staunch defender of him but he was poor yesterday.
Probably his worst outing for us so far, but his good games far outweigh the bad so far, so I'm not concerned. Many saying he was invisible but he still had the best stats defensively in the game. Made a number of good interceptions.
I think that both him and Darmian are suffering from impostor syndrome to different degrees.
The both look uncomfortable and under pressure at times.
The both look uncomfortable and under pressure at times.
I thought he looked fine until the last 10 where he was visibly tired. Could have done with Carrick on the bench
Strikes me as someone who would have played for Arsenal between 2005 and 2014
The thing that sticks out about Schneiderlin is that he seems reluctant to go forwards, even to pass it forwards...he's always passing it sideways or backwards...
Tactics. If you looked at recent matches, regardless of the midfield two combo it's the same.
Morgan is fine playing a bit further afield. He did it for Southampton with big Victor Wanyama holding.
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