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2015-16 Performances

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He's so much better without Carrick (and vica-versa), because he knows that he is the main person to sit/do the defensive work in that midfield.

I feel like both him and Carrick want to be the deepest midfielder, and want to be the person that breaks up the attacks... but when they're both on the pitch together, it's almost as if they're too polite with each other - constantly defering to one another to sort things out and trying not to get in each others way.

That's the feeling I get anyway.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I feel like both him and Carrick want to be the deepest midfielder, and want to be the person that breaks up the attacks... but when they're both on the pitch together, it's almost as if they're too polite with each other - constantly defering to one another to sort things out and trying not to get in each others way.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone work well with Carrick bar Scholes. Mainly because Scholes fundamentals with the ball were out of this world and his ability to pass and orchestrate out of trouble was second to none.
 
United again! said:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone work well with Carrick bar Scholes. Mainly because Scholes fundamentals with the ball were out of this world and his ability to pass and orchestrate out of trouble was second to none.
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Herrera works pretty well with Carrick. Schweinsteiger did in the Liverpool game too.
 
Great run by McNair yesterday. I know our midfielders don't tend to make lung busting runs beyond the front three into the box but I can't remember the last time, if ever, that I saw two of our central defenders beat two or three players and find themselves with just the keeper to beat as McNair did yesterday and Smalling did against PSV on Tuesday.
 
United again! said:
Over an extended period of time. Fair play, those two maybe not as well as Scholes. :D
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Maybe also Fletcher (when he was good)?

Carrick has had to play with a bit of a revolving door of CM's though (or, sometimes, no CM's) to be fair to him!
 
United again! said:
When have you seen any player, let alone midfielder in our team carry the ball 10/20/30 yards out of defence and distribute it to our attack? That is an absolutely absurd expectation. Carrick and BFS don't even do that on a regular basis. In fact, barely anybody bar Smalling has really done it this season.
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Maybe my criticism should have been stated as his failure to effectively build play up from deep, rather than specifically carrying the ball out of defence. Smalling/Blind carry the ball 20-30 yards from deep in this way, whereas Schweinsteiger will often play 1-2's, move into space and receive the ball to move our play forward, Carrick on the other hand will play a 20-30 yard forward pass to build play. From what I've seen thus far Schneiderlin tends to give this responsibility to those close by, whether it be his midfield partners, or the defenders/full backs.

Personally I think the role of the deepest midfielder is as much to do with what you do when you have the ball, as it is what you do when the opposition has the ball. Again I assume this is lacking because he doesn't want to make any costly mistakes so early into his Unite career, hopefully as his confidence improves so will the levels of responsibility he assumes.
 
He's definitely capable of more, it's like a lot of people didn't watch him at Southampton, he can drive forward & he CAN play. Maybe he's been told to keep it simple or maybe he's taking his time to get used to things in a different & bigger club. The notion that he's poor on the ball is wrong overall, but I agree he hasn't shown it at United, so far.
 
He needs to be the one to go forward if partnered with Carrick. Overall he had a decent game and was unlucky not to score from that corner routine.
 
He was shit until Bastian came on, then he was really good, some fantastic tackles and very good pressing.

What I don't like is that he is afraid to make long passes, his average pass length must have been something like 5m yesterday. Probably got the hairdryer from LVG because he's poor in possession and now he always picks the easy pass.
 
Its very obvious that Schniderlin and Carrick don't work together. Too square, no depth to the midfield and both do the same job.

One or the other with Basti from now on hopefully.
 
I wish we played him as the sitting defensive midfielder with no offensive tasks. Then we could pair him with Herrera and Schweinsteiger on the right and left respectively. It might be the best midfield in the league, very well balanced.

Not a fan of Carrick - Schneiderlin duo, I believe lvg made a mistake to play BfS in the relatively easy CL tie where it was quite obvious Carrick will struggle under Southampton pressure.
 
ottosec said:
What I don't like is that he is afraid to make long passes, his average pass length must have been something like 5m yesterday. Probably got the hairdryer from LVG because he's poor in possession and now he always picks the easy pass.
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His average pass length was 17m, 1 less than Carrick and 1 more than Schweinsteiger and he also had 95% completion. Why would he get the hairdryer for keeping possession, exactly what van Gaal wants from a defensive midfielder. He isn't supposed to take risks and lose the ball, he keeps possession and gets the ball to those around him who are tasked with taking the risks. He'd be getting the hairdryer if he was sending constant long balls and losing possession but he doesn't.
 
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It would be nice if he was more adventurous with his passing, but then again that is not why I wanted him in the team. He's doing good enough for me, he has to adapt to a completely different system to Southampton.
 
limerickcitykid said:
His average pass length was 17m, 1 less than Carrick and 1 more than Schweinsteiger and he also had 95% completion. Why would he get the hairdryer for keeping possession, exactly what van Gaal wants from a defensive midfielder. He is supposed to take risks and lose the ball, he keeps possession and gets the ball to those around him who are tasked with taking the risks. He'd be getting the hairdryer if he was sending constant long balls and losing possession but he doesn't.
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Spot on. Know your job and do it well is probably the message from lvg.
 
finneh said:
I'm not sure why Blind/Smalling would be encouraged to bring the ball out from deep over our central midfielder.
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Have you seen any of our CMs run 20 30 yards with the ball? Blind and Smalling also bring it just to the halfway line when the ball comes to them with most of the team pushed high up in the opposition half.
 
Varun said:
Have you seen any of our CMs run 20 30 yards with the ball? Blind and Smalling also bring it just to the halfway line when the ball comes to them with most of the team pushed high up in the opposition half.
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Yes, quite regularly. Every game you'll see either Blind or Smalling running 20-30 yards into the space in front of them. The latter particularly.
 
Varun said:
CMs finneh.
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Apologies, not directly but my previous post already addressed that:

finneh said:
Maybe my criticism should have been stated as his failure to effectively build play up from deep, rather than specifically carrying the ball out of defence. Smalling/Blind carry the ball 20-30 yards from deep in this way, whereas Schweinsteiger will often play 1-2's, move into space and receive the ball to move our play forward, Carrick on the other hand will play a 20-30 yard forward pass to build play. From what I've seen thus far Schneiderlin tends to give this responsibility to those close by, whether it be his midfield partners, or the defenders/full backs.

Personally I think the role of the deepest midfielder is as much to do with what you do when you have the ball, as it is what you do when the opposition has the ball. Again I assume this is lacking because he doesn't want to make any costly mistakes so early into his Unite career, hopefully as his confidence improves so will the levels of responsibility he assumes.
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finneh said:
Apologies, not directly but my previous post already addressed that:
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Oh good. I agree with all of that. He can definitely contribute better with the ball and he will with time. The reason you mentioned and the fact that our style takes a bit of getting used to are the 2 factors imo. Carrick uses his excellent passing range know I g he won't lose the ball while BFS can do both. Schneiderlin I believe doesn't have the appetite to play a 30 yard ball now as he doesn't want to make mistakes. It will come though. He's better than this.
 
Varun said:
Oh good. I agree with all of that. He can definitely contribute better with the ball and he will with time. The reason you mentioned and the fact that our style takes a bit of getting used to are the 2 factors imo. Carrick uses his excellent passing range know I g he won't lose the ball while BFS can do both. Schneiderlin I believe doesn't have the appetite to play a 30 yard ball now as he doesn't want to make mistakes. It will come though. He's better than this.
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Agreed and to be honest the reason I initially mentioned running into space is because that's what I expected after seeing him at So'ton. It was never his great passing range that effectively built from the back, it was his athleticism bringing the ball forward before playing a more simple pass to one of the attacking players. He is never going to have the passing range or Bastian or Carrick, but he has great stamina and power to build from the back in this way. As mentioned before his performance last season against City was him at his absolute best: 100% shutting Toure down offensively, whilst also taking the ball past him, forcing Toure far deeper than he wanted to be.
 
finneh said:
Agreed and to be honest the reason I initially mentioned running into space is because that's what I expected after seeing him at So'ton. It was never his great passing range that effectively built from the back, it was his athleticism bringing the ball forward before playing a more simple pass to one of the attacking players. He is never going to have the passing range or Bastian or Carrick, but he has great stamina and power to build from the back in this way. As mentioned before his performance last season against City was him at his absolute best: 100% shutting Toure down offensively, whilst also taking the ball past him, forcing Toure far deeper than he wanted to be.
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Unfortunately, I don't expect to see much of that. Even Herrera doesn't run with the ball. Clear instructions really so hopefully he develops more confidence in his passing or the ability to pass his way forward via 1-2s.
 
Should be nice and rested for the weekend.

With all over our new signings, he's the one I probably look forward to the most still - which is saying something because he is not a "flashy" player. He is an effective "behind the scenes" type of player and that's what I love, especially since our midfield was crying out for that sort of player for years. As one poster said earlier in the season, he is the master of the press; you couldn't describe him any better.

He'll be causing plenty of problems for Sunderland come Saturday.
 
Man Utd 3:0 Sunderland
Much better in the second half. He got himself forward more.

Made plenty of good tackles. Clean sheet.
 
Needs to gain a bit more confidence with his passing and him and Carrick don't work as a partnership, but he was decent in the last 30 minutes.
 
I thought he was very good today, probably his best game for us.
 
He looked much better when Schweinsteiger came on. Carrick - Schneiderlin simply does not work, especially when playing Sunderland at home who did nothing more than park the bus.
 
Raw said:
He looked much better when Schweinsteiger came on. Carrick - Schneiderlin simply does not work, especially when playing Sunderland at home who did nothing more than park the bus.
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Indeed, too negative having two DMs against Sunderland. Schweinsteiger has looked class, needs to start with him.
 
Grew into the game. Very good second half. Looked more like last season's Schneiderlin in the last half hour, drove forward a few times which we've not seen him do for us yet. He's got decent pace, and is quick on the turn so hopefully we'll see more of that. HE had the ball right on the edge of the box late on. He tried to play someone through, but he should have just smashed it.

Very solid outing though. Rarely puts a foot wrong, and makes it almost impossible to play through the middle of us.
 
Carrick plays too far back to be compatable with him, they get in each others way.
 
Still think hes arguably our most important signing. Leaves the flashy stuff to others, and concentrates on his job of stopping the opposition going at our centre backs.

No coincidence our defence is now rock solid and Southampton's has fallen apart.
 
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