60m plus Fred. 5-10m in add ons. Fred would do well there I think
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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For that fee we should be all over that
Chelsea are already offering him 80m. They are actually in advanced talks (going by the press, of course). The only way he ends up in United is if we do a 90m+ deal. With a bidding war, this could go even higher.
With that sort of crazy price, for a good player who has never played in a top club, I'd rather we stick with a proven player in Mount.
With that sort of crazy price, for a good player who has never played in a top club, I'd rather we stick with a proven player in Mount.
If you'd asked me half-way through last season whether this guy and Mount would be playing together, I'd have said 100% yes... but I wouldn't have even thought about it being at United. Are they good additions? Probably. Are they world-class upgrades? Not even close, in my mind
I think we'd just have to match Chelsea's bid and then it's up to the player.
Think he'd make the right decision. But in any case, I can't see us spending that much on a midfielder when the other priorities (Striker + Goalkeeper) need addressing.
He wouldn’t be signed for his offensive offerings. But there are definitely games where him and Casemiro playing together would work well. Adding that defensive stability to games where we spend a lot of time on the back foot. Cas spent a lot of time banned last year too so having such a capable replacement would seem necessary. I’d love to be able to get him and Mount in for the various scenarios we’d need to use throughout the season. It’s unlikely I know but we’d be set in midfield with those 2 additions
I said yesterday that Brighton would use Rice’s fee as a measuring stick for Caicedo so we’d be looking at £100 million.
I'm not keen to spend 100m on a player whom we don't know what's his best position. If we are spending 100m then I expect a complete player . We should just move on , get a cheap backup for Casemiro and spend that money somewhere else.
There's no way we are in for him. If we were willing to spend that sort of money then it would 100% be on Kane, who we had to walk away from because he was too expensive.
His best position is a 6, but also excels in the 8 position too. He would fit into the Fred role in midfield better than Fred himself. As you've just said having a player with Fred's energy and defensive ability in midfield against stronger sides is needed, with him being sold Caicedo would be the perfect upgrade.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the club sale deal doesn't get finished anytime soon.
Did I ask you to do so?? All I stated in my post was I wished we had signed him when we were offered the opportunity to do so when he was playing in Ecuador and Antonio Valencia recommended him to us. I didn’t ask you to provide details on why it didn’t happen if there is a reason behind it whether that information being true or false.
Rating this about 1/10 likelihood. Don't think we're serious about him at all and think it's part of the 'tactics' to get Mount for some reason.
Same
I called this, although many did as well. Pretty obvious stuff
Murtough probably thinks he’s a genius for this
When will BenJacobs stop being thought of as a good source? He clearly had info on the Chelsea takeover, but bloody hell how he's managed to spin it into being all knowing about football is impressive.
Its Ben Jacobs
I Agree. I dont think Brighton needs to sell after recent dealings and I dont believe anyone will pay up to this amount except possibly Chelsea, the Saudis or similar bandits. With City walking away from the Rice deal (if those reports are correct), its hard to see anyone willing to pay this sort of money after effectively one season in the leage. 100m£ pricetag is unreasonable and if Brighton holds on to this or similar then they are simply stating they wont sell.
Teasing fans with their preferred signing as a negotiation ploy, leading to disappointment when he isn't signed, would be very modern day utd. They're just inviting criticism whenever Casemiro is suspended/injured or there's a poor performance in midfield against a better side.
Well he is clearly trying to emulate Romano who started out similarly before gaining slight credibility , but due to his dull and dour demeanour isn't gaining much traction amongst his targeted audience of 14 years old .
You're saying that Brighton are within their rights to demand what they want. You are absolutely right.
I'm saying no-one will pay this (except maybe Chelsea).
If Brighton want to sell, which I dont believe, then they will need to lower their asking price. If not, he stays.
Saying he excels as a 8 is a bit of a stretch when he's played a whopping 10 matches there, no? It's like saying he excels as a right back because he has played a few matches there.
It is also expected to contribute with goals and assists as a CM, unless you're a Verratti type of player.
I'd look into who's Brighton looking at to replace Caicedo & MacAllister
For Real Madrid, a dominant club, shot stopping might not always be the most important one. Having a keeper like DDG, literally makes you less dominant, makes you invite pressure and not use a relatively high line.
He's really bad in a lot of aspects of the game and the Spanish NT were the first to reach these conclusions.
Hoping he stays at Brighton instead of joining Chelsea but no chance of that happening
He put in a MOTM performance there against us last season including a great goal, he certainly excelled that game. He's actually played in that position 37 times with a goals per 90 of 0.13, close to Casemiro's for us this season.
Both Fred and McTominay has had excellent CM performances many times before. It doesn't say much.
As for your stats, how can that be anywhere remotely close to true when he has scored a single goal for Brighton since he got there?
Cant our scouts and coaching teams unable to find any players at all that have somewhat similar playing criterias to him and cost maybe 1/3 or half of his allege values?
What is the reasons? Surely theres someone around in other league that we can get because he also has only been playing 1 year in PL and also in a team that heavily base on system. Hes not the sure thing that we cant able to gameble on with other similar players in other league.
What is the reasons? Surely theres someone around in other league that we can get because he also has only been playing 1 year in PL and also in a team that heavily base on system. Hes not the sure thing that we cant able to gameble on with other similar players in other league.
It’s Ben fecking Jacobs who likes his name just being out there but outside of the Chelsea takeover, which was more due to links to Boehly, he knows nothing and I wouldn’t take anything he says as serious.
"Anywhere remotely close to true"
Since he's moved to Brighton he's played in that position 37 times for Brighton (23 appearances 2 goals), Ecuador (3 appearances 1 goal) and Beershot (11 appearances 1 goal) totalling 0.13 goals per 90. Remove Beershot and his goals per 90 stays the same.They do, they've scouted Bellingham, Caicedo, Enzo, Alvarez etc. The power lies in the manager's hands here, they want more instant results with the players they bring in and the club seems to push harder for the manager's targets than the scouts, it's as simple as that.
"Anywhere remotely close to true"
Hehe, brain error
I don't follow. 23 appearances and 2 goals? He played 8 PL games last season and 37 this season. That's not counting cup games.
8 games last season, 15 this season including cup games.Hehe, brain error
I don't follow. 23 appearances and 2 goals? He played 8 PL games last season and 37 this season. That's not counting cup games.
Should be apparent now that our interest in Caicedo is a bluff to get Chelsea to move on Mount. £80 million on Caicedo doesn’t leave much in the transfer budget. I also don’t see us spending much on Caicedo when we have a highly rated player with a similar profile in Mainoo.
I think Caicedo would help Mainoo's development in midfield, rather than the opposite. Having that guarantee of defensive solidarity opens up the freedom to bring Mainoo and Amad into the 8 and 10 role. Mount would act more of a barrier to his development in the offensive 8 role in my opinion.
Understand that. Thing is with Caisedo, hes only playing in PL for only 1 year and with that not much of a guarantee of sure thing for him with the price being quoted. Surely the manager or his team can come to compromise to find a similar player that can be got for reasonale price.
Its how most journalists get clicks these days, have 1 exclusive and then piggyback off that then for a few years. Jacobs in particular seems to be adept at this and seems to be popping up as much as Fabrizio Romano who apparentaly has the inside scoop on every single transfer in Europe on a daily basis.
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