Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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NoLogo said:
It's not that he single-handedly makes them better than us, it just shows that we again don't know what to do with this squad.

Caicedo would be a great partner for Casemiro, two defensively adapt players who can also open play fairly well, and Caicedo is even passable at carrying the ball past the press. He also could provide a backup that if Cas is getting another red card we aren't left completely naked in midfield.

Mount offers none of that, he is an attacking mid that runs a lot. He can't even replace Eriksen because he simply lacks his passing range. Unless EtH plans to replace Bruno or to permanently switch to w 433 this deal makes zero sense, especially not for the quoted price.
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If he does that then we lose our almost single source of creativity and Mount is a downgrade on Bruno.
We clearly need a Scholes (obviously anyone will be hardly as good, but at least someone with a similar play style who could come close to him/could grow into this kind of role), but instead we are getting a worse version of Bruno.
Mount would make sense for squad depth if we already had playmakers with good passing and ball retention in the team. But we have zero players like this and after spending 60 mil on Mount we will still have zero.
I am hoping ETH does some magic and Mount turns into some player he has not been so far.
 
united_99 said:
If he does that then we lose our almost single source of creativity and Mount is a downgrade on Bruno.
We clearly need a Scholes (obviously anyone will be hardly as good, but at least someone with a similar play style who could come close to him/could grow into this kind of role), but instead we are getting a worse version of Bruno.
Mount would make sense for squad depth if we already had playmakers with good passing and ball retention in the team. But we have zero players like this and after spending 60 mil on Mount we will still have zero.
I am hoping ETH does some magic and Mount turns into some player he has not been so far.
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Yeah letting Caicedo go to Chelsea is just so sloppy from us. We all know who Erik has earmarked as his Scholes but never coming
 
We were obviously never going to insist that our interest in Caicedo could be a tactic to soften Chelsea’s stance over Mount.
 
united_99 said:
We were obviously never going to insist that our interest in Caicedo could be a tactic to soften Chelsea’s stance over Mount.
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Yeah clear as day it's one or the other because haven't got the budget to sign both sadly
 
sullydnl said:
Agree, it doesn't seem realistic.

If we sign Mount who appears to be our first choice, I think a second midfield signing would be someone more amenable to being on the bench than either Caicedo or Mount would be.
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I'd absolutely be ecstatic with Mount + Lavia cuz I am very bullish on Lavia's potential.
 
Rumours update,
BHA value Caceido at £120-140 million, but this may rise. BHA do not wish to sell, but Caceido may want to leave.
Chelsea expected to make a further approach next week. Bid expected to be below valuation and be rejected.
 
mav_9me said:
I'd absolutely be ecstatic with Mount + Lavia cuz I am very bullish on Lavia's potential.
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Mount + Lavia
Mount + Varela
Mount + Trinidade

I think we will do something like the above because Brighton will price us out for Caicedo.
 
Adnan said:
Mount + Lavia
Mount + Varela
Mount + Trinidade

I think we will do something like the above because Brighton will price us out for Caicedo.
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I don't really know anything about Varela or Trinidade so feel free to tell me more
 
Adnan said:
Mount + Lavia
Mount + Varela
Mount + Trinidade

I think we will do something like the above because Brighton will price us out for Caicedo.
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I think this will be good compared to buying Caicedo. Cdm Is not a priority now and we should focus on Mount and CF.
 
croadyman said:
I don't really know anything about Varela or Trinidade so feel free to tell me more
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Varela's a deep lying orchestrator who is good at playing both long and short passes and is defensively capable both as the pivot and in a double pivot where he provides a high level of technical security in the league he's playing in. He reminds me of Joshua Kimmich in some ways and at 21 years of age and with a reported low release clause, he'd be a very interesting signing imo.

Andre Trinidade is a high volume passer who provides real stability in the deeper midfield areas of the pitch and is someone who I think would also be a interesting pick up on the cheap if money is a issue for us. He's also 21 and along with Alan Varela are both perfectly suited for teams who want to build from the back and dominate games in all phases of play. Very interesting young midfielders, with the only worry being how they'd adapt to the EPL coming straight from South America.
 
Brighton’s interest in Colwill and Chelsea being reluctant to part ways is my hope for there being a snag to this deal.
 
This may turn out as the longest transfer thread at the Cafe for a player that we were never at any stage the frontrunners for the player's signature.
 
Cant see this happening at all - definitely Chelsea bound - they will use the money the screw from us for Mount to buy a potentially great player.
 
Accept it, he’s Chelsea bound. At the end of Last season, we were all in agreement that our midfield priority was someone who could progress the ball. We need a ball carrier. I don’t think it’s so hard to see why ETH would see Mount as a bigger priority than Caicedo.
 
TheLord said:
This may turn out as the longest transfer thread at the Cafe for a player that we were never at any stage the frontrunners for the player's signature.
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Well, we were. Before he signed for Brighton we almost signed him but backed out due to the complexities of the 3rd party ownership thing he had going on
 
Wonder if City will bulldoze their way into the Caceido conversation now they are no longer interested in Rice.
 
zaafi said:
If that was the case, surely he'd go for Caicedo?
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Halftrack said:
Don't you think the manager has a better idea as to which player matches the team's needs, given that he's the one with the vision of how he wants it to play?
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Seems like we are in for Caicedo, right?
I don't get why you suggest I question managers idea here. I strongly believe there are multiple factors that impact which players we're after. For example, it's very likely we wanted Rabiot on a free because we could get Mount and we had 2 midfield positions covered. Now that Rabiot is off, we might be looking for single players that will be able to cover deep midfield area as this is actually what we need more than Mount who isn't that kind of player.
Hernandez - BFA said:
I just feel Mount's creativity is what Ten Hagg is looking for to sit alongside Casemiro and Bruno, rather than Caicedo's steel and balanced skill-set.
There's not enough goals in our team - hence why I feel Ten Hagg feels Mount may contribute to more goals.
That doesn't mean I feel he's a better purchase than Caicedo, who I'd prefer.
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I strongly counter the idea that playing #10/attacking #8 in midfield two will have that much of an impact on our team as people think. We are off balance at the moment because ETH doesn't like Fred (not a surprise) and Eriksen is just a body when we're out of posession. This is a bigger issue than lack of creativity from the deep. Our midfield (Casemiro + Eriksen + Fred) did good number of goal contributions (G+A) last season so really don't see that as an issue.
Devil You Know said:
Ten Hag is like Ole in the sense that neither has a defined style of play.

EtH was supposedly going to play a high defensive line last season, but instead played the 19th lowest in the league because of DDG.

Looking further back at Ajax, he went from playing a midfield 3 that had Klaasen as the most advanced, to a midfield 2 behind an old style #10 in Berghuis. And after earning success playing Haller at orthodox #9 he happily switched to Tadic as false #9 the following season.

United will buy anyone the manager thinks is good enough. The team tactics will be moulded around who's available at the right level of quality.
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Exactly, I don't think that needs more explanation. We're discussing here what we think is best for the team (in terms of transfers scenarios) but we know feck all what's going on, so I wouldn't bother too much with transfer rumors etc.
Adisa said:
Accept it, he’s Chelsea bound. At the end of Last season, we were all in agreement that our midfield priority was someone who could progress the ball. We need a ball carrier. I don’t think it’s so hard to see why ETH would see Mount as a bigger priority than Caicedo.
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I might have a bad image but isn't Caicedo the one who starts attack (progress the ball) from deep and Mount who only runs from midfield to attack?
If that's the case, is Mount really the one we need more than Caicedo?
 
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Borys said:
I might have a bad image but isn't Caicedo the one who starts attack (progress the ball) from deep and Mount who only runs from midfield to attack?
If that's the case, is Mount really the one we need more than Caicedo?
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Although Caicedo is an awesome player, I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Mount when it comes to moving the ball from defense to attack. Mount is a better ball player. Caicedo is probably a better overall player but function is the most important thing here.
People talk like ETH doesn’t know what he’s doing.
 
Adisa said:
Although Caicedo is an awesome player, I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Mount when it comes to moving the ball from defense to attack. Mount is a better ball player. Caicedo is probably a better overall player but function is the most important thing here.
People talk like ETH doesn’t know what he’s doing.
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I'll have you know we have some world class coaches posting on the caf :nono:
 
Our only hope is that he won't move in July and, maybe, we have new owners by August, we buy him
 
Adisa said:
Although Caicedo is an awesome player, I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Mount when it comes to moving the ball from defense to attack. Mount is a better ball player. Caicedo is probably a better overall player but function is the most important thing here.
People talk like ETH doesn’t know what he’s doing.
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I'm surprised that Mount does that actually. I always thought he plays further forward so surprised you say that with such a confidence. My point is exactly about "function" each player does in their team and IMO Caicedo is closer to that we need - if we are to get one player for midfield.

Seems like people are getting nervous with those "People talk like ETH doesn’t know what he’s doing" comments. Relax, it's football forum, we know feck all what's hapenning.
 
Borys said:
I strongly counter the idea that playing #10/attacking #8 in midfield two will have that much of an impact on our team as people think. We are off balance at the moment because ETH doesn't like Fred (not a surprise) and Eriksen is just a body when we're out of posession. This is a bigger issue than lack of creativity from the deep. Our midfield (Casemiro + Eriksen + Fred) did good number of goal contributions (G+A) last season so really don't see that as an issue.
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Agreed. We missed someone to finish the loads of chances we created but another big one was how poor we were against the top 9 away. Rabiot would have been cheap help with those away matches. Failing that Caicedo would be a great upgrade. With limited funds I would settle for Caicedo, Onana and a striker but I ain't EtH.
 
Caicedo had a contract till 2025 and wanted to leave in January. Why sign a long-term contract two months later that makes it much more difficult for other clubs to sign you?

I know he got more money than his first contract, but he relinquished a lot of the power he had with his contract situation. Also, his agent failed to put in a release clause when renewing. It feels like those agents play with their client's futures on purpose sometimes.
 
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