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Dazzmondo said:
Caicedo's going to cost more than Mount would. Maybe that's why he was favouring Mount originally rather than rating Mount higher than Caicedo
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Or maybe he wants to continue to play two midfielders out of the three who are offensive minded like he already does?
 
Dazzmondo said:
Caicedo's going to cost more than Mount would. Maybe that's why he was favouring Mount originally rather than rating Mount higher than Caicedo
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If he favoured Caicedo and his profile over Mount, then surely the second alternative would be a player similar to Caicedo rather than going for a completely different player type?

My bet would be that he prefers two offensive minded midfielders, rather than defensive ones.
 
Rolaholic said:
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Arsenal's £70m bid was rejected by Brighton in January. I wonder how much he will cost Chelsea given the Rice fee Arsenal is paying this summer. Rice with EPL and English tax is 100m, Caicedo without the English tax my guess is around £80m.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Arsenal's £70m bid was rejected by Brighton in January. I wonder how much he will cost Chelsea given the Rice fee Arsenal is paying this summer.
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I’m hoping a fee between £80-90M gets it done but I’m fearful that Brighton are watching you lot agree to pay £105M for Rice. The Brighton journo even said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark.
 
WeePat said:
I’m hoping a fee between £80-90M gets it done but I’m fearful that Brighton are watching you lot agree to pay £105M for Rice. The Brighton journo even said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark.
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I'd be very surprised if it was done for anything less than £90m.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
He's right about this match:



Caicedo was brilliant. That left-footed pass at 0:11 to shred our press.

I remember BBC showed the stats at full-time and he'd covered something crazy like 15km - can't remember the exact distance, but significantly more than anyone else on the pitch.
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one common denominator in that video defensively for united....look who was the guy pressing him most of the time, Eriksen. he's not exactly known for being a guy who's going to win tackles and turn players over.

if chelsea sell us mount, they'll get caicedo....imo, chelsea win that deal
 
WeePat said:
I’m hoping a fee between £80-90M gets it done but I’m fearful that Brighton are watching you lot agree to pay £105M for Rice. The Brighton journo even said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark.
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He is only 21 and already playing at a high level. £80-90M is not bad, 6 year contract so around £15m per season. If he stays injury free and renew his contract the cost will be even lower.
 
WeePat said:
I’m hoping a fee between £80-90M gets it done but I’m fearful that Brighton are watching you lot agree to pay £105M for Rice. The Brighton journo even said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark.
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The good news is that you may have a free run at this point. Brighton are tough negotiators but it will be hard for them to demand 100m unless they have the leverage of multiple interested bidders.

I would be a little worried about what Man City are thinking. I haven't heard much linking them to Caicedo but they just showed they were willing to spend 90m on a midfielder and realistically they do have to add one because while Kovacic for Gundogan is fairly like-for-like, as I'm sure you know Kovacic has a spotty injury history.
 
WeePat said:
I’m hoping a fee between £80-90M gets it done but I’m fearful that Brighton are watching you lot agree to pay £105M for Rice. The Brighton journo even said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark.
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Am I making things up or was there not some sort of handshake deal reported when he signed his new deal this past year?
 
Powderfinger said:
The good news is that you may have a free run at this point. Brighton are tough negotiators but it will be hard for them to demand 100m unless they have the leverage of multiple interested bidders.

I would be a little worried about what Man City are thinking. I haven't heard much linking them to Caicedo but they just showed they were willing to spend 90m on a midfielder and realistically they do have to add one because while Kovacic for Gundogan is fairly like-for-like, as I'm sure you know Kovacic has a spotty injury history.
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Caceido isnt Citys/Peps type. Maybe this is why they is linked to Veiga from La liga.
 
It's a shame that the interest in 2021 wasn't able to materialize. The problem with United is that within 24 months the club will have to go back into the market to sign a defensive minded midfielder with Casemiro being on the fringes of 34 at that time, it's hard to estimate what that market will look like because if it resembles the striker market this season it's going to be a problem. The club need's to be more strategic with having a longer term goal for approaching the right players so that there are players available to serve the team for years to come.
 
Redstain said:
It's a shame that the interest in 2021 wasn't able to materialize. The problem with United is that within 24 months the club will have to go back into the market to sign a defensive minded midfielder with Casemiro being on the fringes of 34 at that time, it's hard to estimate what that market will look like because if it resembles the striker market this season it's going to be a problem. The club need's to be more strategic with having a longer term goal for approaching the right players so that there are players available to serve the team for years to come.
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Unless Casemiro will be transported through some futuristic machine he will be 32 next summer mate.
 
crossy1686 said:
Tell me you spoke to Boehly without telling me you spoke to Boehly. That has to be the most American vernacular around describing a transfer deal I've ever heard.
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Also such a pointless tweet.

Negotiations are going to START - in vague near future, but don't expect it to be easy or any update of any substance for a while. You can rest assured I will be tweeting about it all the way through though!
 
We can’t even afford mount at half the price. Don’t get your hopes up
 
Fringes of 34, his birthday is in Feburary? What's the point in speaking in such futuristic terms. Casemiro was brought in to make an immediate impact which he did.
In 2 years time I am sure there will be many areas that will need improving, sort of pointless discussing this now considering how low our transfer budget is.
We'll be lucky to sign a decent striker & goalkeeper this summer no mind Casemiro's replacement.
 
I dont get these pointless updates about clubs speaking to other clubs. I think Brighton will use us to get the Caceido price up.

I cannot see us getting him.

We might get Mount and Hojlund and that will be our summer done.
 
What stage is the “speaking to” stage? Somewhere between monitoring and preparing bid stages?
 
"Hey Brighton, how much for Caicedo?"

"Oh we have a lot of interest, you're looking at a minimum of £80m."

"Okay, would you take £5m and McTominay?"

"Hello?"

BREAKING: Man Utd have now spoken to Brighton about Caicedo.
 
Why are Chelsea after him? Don't they have like 800 midfielders? Including a £100m one?

United need to do this. He's going to be one of the best CM's around. Spread it over years like Chelsea would and let the next owner pick up the tab.

I don't buy for a second that the player would prefer Chelsea to Untied
 
Sell Fred buy Caicedo. Good business. He’ll get more games at Chelsea but UCL here.
 
Now it's breaking that we're discussing him with Brighton.

As long as you ignore the report from about 10 days ago saying we'd been discussing Caicedo whilst negotiating for Mount.

i.e. Nobody knows a fecking thing.
 
crossy1686 said:
Tell me you spoke to Boehly without telling me you spoke to Boehly. That has to be the most American vernacular around describing a transfer deal I've ever heard.
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Most American vernacular would be CHELSEA are gonna drop a BOMB on Brighton to totally shoot and score themselves Moises CAI-SEE-DO-SI-DO, yee-haw!!
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
He's right about this match:



Caicedo was brilliant. That left-footed pass at 0:11 to shred our press.

I remember BBC showed the stats at full-time and he'd covered something crazy like 15km - can't remember the exact distance, but significantly more than anyone else on the pitch.
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The way he receives the ball deep and then instantly releases it - it's what I think we wish Pogba could have been like. The latter held it for like an extra 5 seconds with a weird shield before casually releasing it.

Caicedo just doesn't mess about - receives ball deep, calm under pressure, moves the ball along. Love it.
Absolute shame he's Chelsea bound as I feel he'll make Fernandez tick for them.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Why are Chelsea after him? Don't they have like 800 midfielders? Including a £100m one?

United need to do this. He's going to be one of the best CM's around. Spread it over years like Chelsea would and let the next owner pick up the tab.

I don't buy for a second that the player would prefer Chelsea to Untied
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Spreading it over multiple years will help re FFP compliance (although the Chelsea loophole has been closed this summer - transfer fees will now only be amortised over a maximum of five years, regardless of contract length). However, this won't help if we've got cashflow problems. Cash in hand was £73m on 31 March, but we've borrowed £200m on credit to pay for recent transfer activity and we still have a further £235m of trade payables due within 1 year.

It's been widely assumed that the Glazers will allow us to continue to fund player purchases with credit during the sale process, but if this proves not to be correct, United will need to structure deals this summer so that as little as possible of the transfer fee is paid up front, to prevent us quickly running out of cash. Blowing our load on Caicedo might not be the smartest move if we also want a striker and a goalkeeper.
 
Infra-red said:
Spreading it over multiple years will help re FFP compliance (although the Chelsea loophole has been closed this summer - transfer fees will now only be amortised over a maximum of five years, regardless of contract length). However, this won't help if we've got cashflow problems. Cash in hand was £73m on 31 March, but we've borrowed £200m on credit to pay for recent transfer activity and we still have a further £235m of trade payables due within 1 year.

It's been widely assumed that the Glazers will allow us to continue to fund player purchases with credit during the sale process, but if this proves not to be correct, United will need to structure deals this summer so that as little as possible of the transfer fee is paid up front, to prevent us quickly running out of cash. Blowing our load on Caicedo might not be the smartest move if we also want a striker and a goalkeeper.
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Didn’t we pay an off all but 40m of that 200m credit?
Edit expected to be paid off by end of June.
I really don’t see these hard numbers of doom and gloom about our finances
 
Apparently SkySports News have said we will make a formal offer by the end of the week to sign him?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Why are Chelsea after him? Don't they have like 800 midfielders? Including a £100m one?

United need to do this. He's going to be one of the best CM's around. Spread it over years like Chelsea would and let the next owner pick up the tab.

I don't buy for a second that the player would prefer Chelsea to Untied
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Loads of attackers and loads of defenders but thin in midfield. They sold Jorginho, Kovacic and kante left on a free. I think Loftus cheek is about to head to Milan. These guys were all starters. Now they are left with Enzo and Gallagher for midfield positions. I think they will buy Caicedo and another cm.
 
Powderfinger said:
The good news is that you may have a free run at this point. Brighton are tough negotiators but it will be hard for them to demand 100m unless they have the leverage of multiple interested bidders.

I would be a little worried about what Man City are thinking. I haven't heard much linking them to Caicedo but they just showed they were willing to spend 90m on a midfielder and realistically they do have to add one because while Kovacic for Gundogan is fairly like-for-like, as I'm sure you know Kovacic has a spotty injury history.
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City are looking at Veiga. I was a little worried about City winning the race for Rice because I was certain in that scenario you lot would pivot immediately to Caicedo and that would have been a big problem for us. I’m not so worried about City here, but United lurking in the background is kinda annoying.
 
Don’t see why the club shouldn’t be pursuing both Mount and Caicedo. Then you realise it would be a combined £150m and…yikes. Would be two great midfield options though.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Am I making things up or was there not some sort of handshake deal reported when he signed his new deal this past year?
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Seemingly yes but I suppose it was if an offer was presented that Brighton felt was good enough. I don’t think they’re under any obligations to accept a fee lower than what they want. If Chelsea can’t meet that valuation, I guess he stays at Brighton.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Why are Chelsea after him? Don't they have like 800 midfielders? Including a £100m one?

United need to do this. He's going to be one of the best CM's around. Spread it over years like Chelsea would and let the next owner pick up the tab.

I don't buy for a second that the player would prefer Chelsea to Untied
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I think you should count the number of starting quality midfielders we actually have.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Apparently SkySports News have said we will make a formal offer by the end of the week to sign him?
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The only place a leak like that comes from is Brighton’s side. Think about what their motivation would be - to make Chelsea panic.
 
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