Intermediaries that Brighton found a way around . And are in the process of making a £70 million profit on.
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Intermediaries that Brighton found a way around . And are in the process of making a £70 million profit on.
Luckhurst also saying we're attempting to sign him per the article below.
Luckhurst: "Man United dropped the ball when they dropped their pursuit of Moises Caicedo. Two-and-a-half years on, they are back in for him."
Luckhurst: "Man United dropped the ball when they dropped their pursuit of Moises Caicedo. Two-and-a-half years on, they are back in for him."
Because they had signed someone in the past with the same complicated ownership. We would have found it so much easier if we had been fortunate enough to do it
He's right about this match:
Caicedo was brilliant. That left-footed pass at 0:11 to shred our press.
I remember BBC showed the stats at full-time and he'd covered something crazy like 15km - can't remember the exact distance, but significantly more than anyone else on the pitch.
Caicedo was brilliant. That left-footed pass at 0:11 to shred our press.
I remember BBC showed the stats at full-time and he'd covered something crazy like 15km - can't remember the exact distance, but significantly more than anyone else on the pitch.
Would be ideal if we could get him and someone who provides goals/assists. You could argue it's still leaves that playmaker who can progress from deep though in the build up phase
South American "intermediaries". A club of our stature can't really be seen to be doing business with some of these characters. Clubs with less media scrutiny can get the deals done without causing moral outrage.
One of Caicedo/Rice/Locatelli will do = top allround CM/nr.6/build up quality
One of Mount/Kenneth Taylor will do = offensive cm with goals in theirs game/high potential goalscorer
And the Xavi Simons supertalent boy from PSV might suit the Iniesta role.
I might rate Xavi Simons offensive and creative ability over Mason Mount too. The boy football skill is really high. But he has play most as nr.10 or second striker for PSV. Down and deeper in Iniesta role. I haven't seem him there much.
But 2 from each of the cm group will do.
Or the alternative to Mason Mount and Kenneth Taylor as nr.8 is United own Kobbie Mainoo. If he has the level and Ten Hag trust Mainoo.
Right now, those are mine CM alternatives. From both nr.6 and 8 group and type of cm options
One of Mount/Kenneth Taylor will do = offensive cm with goals in theirs game/high potential goalscorer
And the Xavi Simons supertalent boy from PSV might suit the Iniesta role.
I might rate Xavi Simons offensive and creative ability over Mason Mount too. The boy football skill is really high. But he has play most as nr.10 or second striker for PSV. Down and deeper in Iniesta role. I haven't seem him there much.
But 2 from each of the cm group will do.
Or the alternative to Mason Mount and Kenneth Taylor as nr.8 is United own Kobbie Mainoo. If he has the level and Ten Hag trust Mainoo.
Right now, those are mine CM alternatives. From both nr.6 and 8 group and type of cm options
Would you not say Locatelli is more in the Iniesta type category than Caicedo/Rice
Xavi Simons is not close to Mason Mount yet. Whether he will become better remains to be seen, but he's far away right now.
Kenneth Taylor? Don't make me laugh. Not even Ajax fans like him.
Think he would be brilliant. One of those rare players out there who can both play with Casemiro and step into his shoes. Massive room for progress in terms of attacking game as well with a competent coach, although he is already pretty solid/good with the ball going forward.
Won't get my hopes up though, seems like we are short with money atm.
Won't get my hopes up though, seems like we are short with money atm.
Just seeing this. Agree. Think I’ve said similar in my post, but was so tired when making it, I can’t remember.
Hear hear, we're pretty much on the exact same line of thinking. I'm using so much of the muppet force to will this transfer to happen because it really would be a idealistic target for us if the funds are there, especially as it seems City/Arsenal are battling it out for Rice for close to the £100m (!) mark and Chelsea need to sell to be able to invest more. It would be a double whammy buying Mount taking in an inferior player (for our needs) and funding Chelsea's pursuit of Caicedo.
For those saying Caicedo is 'conservative', this is a perfect representation of what he could potentially bring to us. In this game he was playing alongside Mac Allister, so yes I know it's not quite the same with Casemiro but can you imagine Bruno, Rashford, Antony and our full backs receiving those balls in transition/after evading a press?
I’m sure Messrs Barber and Bloom are watching the Rice developments with interest. I think Rice is a superb player, but it has been very telling that Caicedo has dominated the midfield every time they’ve played against each other. Whether that’s Rice being in a poor performing side at the time I don’t know, but I’d personally take Caicedo 10 times out of 10 if given a straight choice.
And I’m pretty confident that’s not the blue and white specs talking either. If Rice is worth £100m plus £5m, one has to think Caicedo isn’t worth much less, if at all.
And I’m pretty confident that’s not the blue and white specs talking either. If Rice is worth £100m plus £5m, one has to think Caicedo isn’t worth much less, if at all.
I think Chelsea will probably get him. Mount plus Caeicedo as wonderful as that would be is at least 135 million. Then we’d have to sign a GK and CF. Hope we do pull it off as by all accounts Caeicedo appears to be a top player in the making. But I’m skeptical.
I consider Caicedo a better player than Rice. I'd much rather we signed him out of the two.
There's 2 United players stepping up to press 1 Brighton player. No wonder he found it easy to bypass almost the entire front line with that left footed hook.
Clever play but it was a disjointed press from our forward line.
Caicedo is great, but I think Mainoo can quickly develop into Caicedo’s level, say in two or three years.
Can we afford to wait
If Brighton want £100 million then offer it over 5 years so it’s £20 million a year on the balance sheet and perfectly fine for FFP, people are constantly saying we’re restricted or only have £100 million to spend but that’s £100 million (or £150 million depending on who you believe) that can be used up as far as FFP goes which means we could spend £500 million this summer if it was 5 deals at £100 million each over 5 years so £20 million a year each.
Some players represent an opportunity you can't miss out on. This Is one of those players.
Open to correction but the transfer fee is amortized over the length of contract, not how it's paid.
With Mctominay and Fred up for sale. You would think we would sign 2 midfielders otherwise we would be light in midfield. I hope the other midfielder is Caicedo but I don’t think we are seriously in for him. If not him then who? Sabitzer won’t be signed. Rabiot is off the table. Any other top quality candidates? Don’t tell me de Jong.
De Jong.
Agreed. We need to do everything we possibly can to get this deal done. Don't mind an overpay for him.
That's literally how FFP works from an accounting perspective. What you are confusing it with is cash flow, but that is independent of FFP (and may be a more relevant problem for you at the minute amidst the takeover).
Jesus 100 million for Caceido
Rice will almost certainly be the measuring stick for the price Brighton want for Caicedo, unfortunately Brighton also know we’re all in for a midfielder this summer as well.
You’re kinda forgetting the fact we already have this for a number of players. Hence 250m outstanding balance which is already an FFP concern.
I’ve not forgot and fully aware we need to move players on also which is what we’re trying to do with De Gea, Henderson, Williams, Bailly, Maguire, Telles, one of McFred, VDB, apparently Sancho and Elanga which is a massive stockpile of deadwood and high wages.
At the same time we have to be realistic as Brighton are under no pressure to sell with him signing a new contract only 6 months ago and will be playing in Europe next season, the ridiculous Rice fee unfortunately only makes it even more likely that Brighton will want anywhere between £80 million to £100 million.
It looks like we’re bringing in anywhere between £20 million to £30 million depending on who you believe for Henderson and I think it’s conceivable to get £20 million for Fred or £30+ million for McTominay, that also frees up around £200K in wages then there’s £375K a week we’re about to save with De Gea gone plus Jones and Tuanzebe already gone which was around another £100K a week.
We need to get Mount over the line this week with our meetup with Chelsea, otherwise I really fail to see where we are going
If we didn't have Casemiro, then I'd be more confident of our interest in Caicedo. As much as I think a midfield of Casemiro-Caicedo-Bruno would be absolutely sound and secure, I don't think there's enough creativity there for Ten Hagg - hence why he'd want someone like Mount.
I just don't see us splashing >£90m on a player which may not match Ten Hagg's midfield preference.
I just don't see us splashing >£90m on a player which may not match Ten Hagg's midfield preference.
Why he would not match Ten Hag's midfield preference? For the current state of the club I'd say Caicedo matches our needs much more than Mount (if we are to splash money for single midfielder).
If that was the case, surely he'd go for Caicedo?
Not sure Arsenal would agree with it, but we can try.
We help Chelsea fund a move for a brilliant mega-talent by signing their reject Mount instead of just going for the better player in Caicedo.
Our incompetence never cease to amaze me.
In no shape or form will we be competing for top 4 next season.
Our incompetence never cease to amaze me.
In no shape or form will we be competing for top 4 next season.
Don't you think the manager has a better idea as to which player matches the team's needs, given that he's the one with the vision of how he wants it to play?
Caicedo's going to cost more than Mount would. Maybe that's why he was favouring Mount originally rather than rating Mount higher than Caicedo
I just feel Mount's creativity is what Ten Hagg is looking for to sit alongside Casemiro and Bruno, rather than Caicedo's steel and balanced skill-set.
There's not enough goals in our team - hence why I feel Ten Hagg feels Mount may contribute to more goals.
That doesn't mean I feel he's a better purchase than Caicedo, who I'd prefer.
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