It's definitely more defensive than is ideal.
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It's definitely more defensive than is ideal.
Maybe explains preference for Mount profile
One as a 10, one or two on the wing, even one as a full back.
Because not all playmakers play CM or even central
Bruno is one of the most creative players and Casemiro nor Caicedo are pure destroyers who cant pass a ball forward at all. Casemiro and Caicedo together will be fine.
Maybe a bit more pressure on the forwards to be creative but with a Casemiro and Caicedo block behind you its possible to take some risks as a creative player. Just need a good striker who can do a bit more than just score tap ins and a right winger to provide a bit more creativity than they (Antony or Sancho) have done in the past.
The post implied they would play with them in midfield, which is not the case. Wingers and fullbacks tend to have other primary roles than playmaking.
Besides, neither Rashford or Garnacho are playmakers. The ones that come close are Sancho (who probably won't play as much) and Antony, whose game revolves more around ball retention and building up and dragging the ball to the edge of the final third more than actual playmaking.
Shaw would do the job, but that's one player and his primary role isn't playmaking.
Amad’s our boy for that.
Don’t think this signings happening. We want a cheaper player so we can fund a move for a GK and another CM
What we need seems to be very difficult to fimd this summer. Basically a conductor for the orchestra. Someone to control the tempo and speed of our game. Knowing when to recycle posession, knowing when to switch the play to the other side of the field. Or playing a ball over the top, or a slide rule pass through a defense.
Basically we need a scholes/carrick type of player. Its not a role caiceido can do, not a role (i think) mount can do, nor can rabiot (i think).
Seems to be a difficult role to fill i.e. someone with similar characteristics to frenkie.
Bruno, Amad and Shaw would be our primary options as a playmaker, with Sancho, Eriksen and Antony as secondary options too.
Hopefully. Or Antony stepping it up after his first season. Or maybe even Sancho finally stepping up and showing why he was one of the most rated young player in Europe at a certain point in his career.
Forgot about Luke Shaw, he is pretty creative too. He can overlap Rashford but he can also be some kind of an inverted playmaker from the midfield. Martinez is able to skip the entire midfield with his passing too. I wouldnt be worried about a Ceicedo and Casemiro midfield as too defensive at all. Enough other positions and players who can provide creativity.
Dont forget if you sign Onana, you can push the defensive line higher up the pitch, that way if casemiro and caiciedo intercept the ball for turnovers, we will be that much closer to the opposition goal.
I won't believe this until it's actually done. It feels like a tactic to pressure Chelsea to sell Mount.
With how easy it is for teams to just walk through our midfield, we really need more steel in the middle of the park. If we can control the midfield, our forwards will also have easier time.
With how easy it is for teams to just walk through our midfield, we really need more steel in the middle of the park. If we can control the midfield, our forwards will also have easier time.
Caicedo has played that role for Brighton this season with great success.
I always get the impression with transfers that the agreement is sought with the player first, then the club. So in these ‘it’s such an obvious signing, why haven’t we made a bid’ situations, it’s basically because we haven’t convinced the player to give it the green light yet
I'm not saying you couldn't make it work by compensating elsewhere, but having two such fundamentally defensive players (and they are both fundamentally defensive players, despite having some quality outside that) in a pivot is far from ideal.
When you buy the behemoth DM that is Casemiro, you would hope to be able to pair him with less conservative options than someone like Caicedo. Because if you need someone like that beside him then there's something wrong with your team, and if you don't need someone like that then you should at least question why you're opting to set up with that conservative midfield.
Because despite what the old adage suggests, winning titles correlates with having a strong attack more than a strong defence. And most of the speculative Caicedo/Casemiro teams posted here look pretty impotent offensively.
Bruno is already free and is largely excessively depended upon for our chance creation, last season Eriksen had 10 assist, Caicedo had far far less, so if Caicedo replaces Eriksen in the star in 11 it would place an even bigger burden on Bruno to create chances which may see him give the ball away more.
We should be all over him. He would be great alongside Casemiro. With offensive fullbacks and a 10 like Bruno this could be great transfer. Also Casemiro isnt here for another 3/4 years
With 5 subs per match the game has changed. You need options off the bench to change the team in both offense and defence depending on the situation. We need improvements in both.
Too long we have relied on McFred as either an attacking option or a shoring up option when in reality they weren't great for either.
One of our biggest issues last season was how easily teams walked through our midfield. We were dominated by the majority of teams.
With a Caicedo and Casemiro midfield this wouldn’t be the case.
With a Caicedo and Casemiro midfield this wouldn’t be the case.
Yeah as I said in another thread I can't decide if Erik has moved away from that setup now he can't get De Jong or feels he needs more time to find someone who could do it
It didn’t
Reading some of the discussions here fills me with immense relief, knowing that armchair managers have no involvement in running a football club. It's crucial to entrust footballing decisions to those with expertise and experience in the field.
I think you’re wrong, Caicedo was number 1 pick for most fans and if anything minds have been closed to Mount
But not because of those two, which is a segue way to a fundamental problem with our first xi - the fullbacks in those proposed lineups don’t appear fit for purpose, and I think by now, outside of Rashford and Bruno there’s serious doubts about the potency of the remainder who all have to step up and contribute a lot more, no matter which direction we go with a single midfield purchase.
I realize you wrote "one of our biggest issues" but our actually "biggest issue" was the lack of goal scoring threat, particularly our poor finishing.
We all know we need a midfielder, probably two, but more than any other position which needs a massive infusion of new blood is striker. We can count on Antony and Garnacho improving and we can count on Rashford still being a powerful presence on the front line, but we cannot count on Martial in any way to do anything other than provide the simplest of tap ins.
We can bring in Caseido and I'm all for it, but if we bring in Caseido and do not bring in a striker are completely fukked going into the new season. Even if we bring in De Jong AND Caseido but do not bring in a striker we are completely fukked going into the new season.
Despite everything, our defensive record was pretty respectable last season. Our scoring output, however, was horrifying. Adding proper midfielders will help, but we we need to bring in one and actually two strikers to improve on our competence in the final third.
Definitely. For me, anyway.
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The problems with Caicedo is that he offers equally little attacking threat to that of McFred, if we are buying Caicedo as a backup to Casemiro cool beans, if we are buying Caicedo to play along side Casemiro week in and week out, it fixes non of our problems and will probably make us less of an attacking threat than last seasons.
For a double pivot to work you need Carrick and Scholes/Giggs, neither Casemiro or Caicedo have the passing range to pull it off.
The problems with Caicedo is that he offers equally little attacking threat to that of McFred, if we are buying Caicedo as a backup to Casemiro cool beans, if we are buying Caicedo to play along side Casemiro week in and week out, it fixes non of our problems and will probably make us less of an attacking threat than last seasons.
For a double pivot to work you need Carrick and Scholes/Giggs, neither Casemiro or Caicedo have the passing range to pull it off.
I agree, it was more in response to the OP being surprised that fans are now confident the club’s after him instead.
You don't think you're in the wrong here when literally everyone says the opposite? He has absolutely not played that role this season with great success, and his passing stats indicate exactly that.
I get Schneiderlin vibes from this guy.
Literally everyone yeah? You’re doing a great job misinterpreting things. I’ve been over this with you before but you’ve obviously forgotten.
I remember, which is why I don't understand how you can still believe this when you have actual proof right infront of you if you spend 10 seconds looking for it.
That's the problem with United for years. Buying lesser players, just to compensate the weakness of other (a bit) mediocre players.
I hope we stop doing this. We need to buy excellent players, and let others to adapt or we get rid.
If we have Casemiro and Caicedo in CM, with Shaw, Varane, and Martinez at the back; that would make us the best defensive unit in the world. Now let the attackers to be more creative, or they can just feck off if not up to required standard.
I hope we stop doing this. We need to buy excellent players, and let others to adapt or we get rid.
If we have Casemiro and Caicedo in CM, with Shaw, Varane, and Martinez at the back; that would make us the best defensive unit in the world. Now let the attackers to be more creative, or they can just feck off if not up to required standard.
Caicedo would be a wonderful signing - alas, I don't see it happening.
Okay, this is pretty much the full convo. Long story short - Caicedo's passing completion % is in the top bracket percentile for short, medium, and long. He attempts a lot of short passes, a fair amount of medium, a smaller amount of long whilst maintaining a great pass completion %. That indicates that he is a great passer that accurately finds his man in every field, he just prefers to go short than long because of the system he plays in and the options available in that system. This is backed up with Brighton being 19th in the league at attempted long balls, due to their preference to keeping it short, precise and on the ground. He has displayed other DLP qualities like excelling at accurate passing under pressure and being able to glide past opponents with clever touches to drive possession forward, which indicates he possesses the potential to mould into that role given he's still only 21 whilst achieving those numbers and performances in the Premier League.
Show me these stats because fbref clearly proves you wrong.
As for the eye test, you probably need glasses
Yep, when it comes to passing fbref clearly proves me wrong, that pass completion % is an utter shambles for a 21 year old playing in the Premier League..
Then to add to our conversation as to why Caicedo's attempted long balls per 90 is low:
If we’re serious we’ll make our move before those departures are confirmed. Unless we wait to see what Chelsea offer and top it.
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