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My gut feeling is that we don’t have the money for both right now but perhaps if we make sales we can close on Mount late in the window. It’s a complete minefield for murtough to be working in right now
I know EtH wants Mount but I don't get why we don't 'overspend' for Caicedo and leave Mount as next summer's Eriksen/Rabiot.

This would take a big player away from the opposition teams and leave Chelsea looking like fools again, with a smaller budget.

I don't think we should let EtH dictate our transfers as much because he was keen on Timber and De Jong and we saw how their back-ups saved our season last year.
 
I know EtH wants Mount but I don't get why we don't 'overspend' for Caicedo and leave Mount as next summer's Eriksen/Rabiot.

This would take a big player away from the opposition teams and leave Chelsea looking like fools again, with a smaller budget.

I don't think we should let EtH dictate our transfers as much because he was keen on Timber and De Jong and we saw how their back-ups saved our season last year.

Yeah it's a fair point but unfortunately I fear he's being used as bait to get Mount price down
 
I know EtH wants Mount but I don't get why we don't 'overspend' for Caicedo and leave Mount as next summer's Eriksen/Rabiot.

This would take a big player away from the opposition teams and leave Chelsea looking like fools again, with a smaller budget.

I don't think we should let EtH dictate our transfers as much because he was keen on Timber and De Jong and we saw how their back-ups saved our season last year.

Exactly this.

This is what we have done for years, given the manager who they want, big names and the like. We do everything to get the player, even if it means to the determent of the team and squad balance.

If we went in thinking 55m is max, the bid is rejected, the way to show "Manutd tax" is a thing of the past is, drop interest in Mount and sign another CM instead.

I know Ten Hag wants Mount but he is not the player that will change the way we play, Caceido IMO will have a bigger impact.
 
I will be more than happy if we sign Caicedo, but I find it kind of funny that posters are happy with us paying £80m ish for a 21 year old who has had 1 good season, as opposed to £60m ish for a 24 year old who last season aside has been one of the best PL mids in the preceding seasons.

By that logic most of the mammoth deals for young players don’t get made. Real Madrid have purchased from that exact model some of the hottest talent around, or, they’re going even further and buying them for astronomical amounts direct from source (Vinicius, Endrick). If a player doesn’t come up through a giant clubs’ academy, he has a high probability of being snapped up extremely young by interested parties without much football under his belt - even breakout seasons are being nipped in the bud wherever possible to keep costs down before the youngster is bona fide, at which point £70m-£80m becomes £120m+.

Perhaps Caicedo is the next monstrous midfielder in the PL annuls of the position, perhaps he isn’t, but clubs aren’t going to wait out an evincing process watching their target’s value rise in the interim.

Mount’s situation is different and he’s in the dying embers of his contract - if they were both halfway through contracts discussion about valuations would have more merit.
For me Caicedo and Mount are very different players, I think Mount provides cover across the front of midfield, in particular for Eriksen who cannot manage another 60 game season, whereas Caicedo probably provides more direct cover for Casemiro, ideally I would love us to sign both, I feel we probably need Caicedo more but I really do not see it as an either or....
We need a replacement for Eriksen for sure, whether that has to be Mount is up for discussion as he cannot do what Eriksen does, but does bring his own qualities to the table in lieu of that.
 
I know EtH wants Mount but I don't get why we don't 'overspend' for Caicedo and leave Mount as next summer's Eriksen/Rabiot.

This would take a big player away from the opposition teams and leave Chelsea looking like fools again, with a smaller budget.

I don't think we should let EtH dictate our transfers as much because he was keen on Timber and De Jong and we saw how their back-ups saved our season last year.
What if we had been even better with timber and DeJong?
Not complaining I love our 2 SA warriors but it’s an assumption

I am now assuming, we don’t overspend because we can’t. Too many restrictions to try and work through
 
My gut feeling is that we don’t have the money for both right now but perhaps if we make sales we can close on Mount late in the window. It’s a complete minefield for murtough to be working in right now
I do have some sympathy for Murtough as he’s picking up the baton from the reckless approach of the Woodward era. He’s trying to deal with clubs who know we are prone to coughing up eventually and over paying. It’s easy to say he should stand firm but it’s a fine balance between standing firm and then missing out on players of the quality we need.
 
Why would Brighton want Amad on a loan? They rather buy a player on the cheap and sell that player for big money later. I believe that Brighton is in the business of developing their own players and not into developing Manchester United players for Manchester United.

Colwill disproves this theory.
 
What if we had been even better with timber and DeJong?
Not complaining I love our 2 SA warriors but it’s an assumption

I am now assuming, we don’t overspend because we can’t. Too many restrictions to try and work through
We'll never know but EtH has proven and has had a reputation as being quite stubborn, so he's bound to make some mistakes.

The fanbase has been screaming for a defensive midfielder for years and last season proved it was exactly what we need. Martinez has similarly injected some much-needed backbone in our defence and I cannot see hoe someone like Timber who was afraid to go against LvG's recommendation (something our own manager thankfully did) could have dealt with the crazy season we've just had.

I'm not digging out EtH here, we just have no room for error with the Glazers in charge.
 
I do have some sympathy for Murtough as he’s picking up the baton from the reckless approach of the Woodward era. He’s trying to deal with clubs who know we are prone to coughing up eventually and over paying. It’s easy to say he should stand firm but it’s a fine balance between standing firm and then missing out on players of the quality we need.
That's why it's hugely important we move away from the Mount deal, if Murtough wants to fix the club's reputation. Paying £10 million more than your take it or leave it offer would be negotiation suicide. Fans have opened their minds to the possibility of signing Caicedo instead because of this.
 
That's why it's hugely important we move away from the Mount deal, if Murtough wants to fix the club's reputation. Paying £10 million more than your take it or leave it offer would be negotiation suicide. Fans have opened their minds to the possibility of signing Caicedo instead because of this.
As much as I’d love Caicedo, even more than Mount I can see why ETH would want it the other way around.

Mounts productivity in terms of goals, assists and key chances is huge factor in us wanting him. Caicedo is a completely different role which ETH probably sees as a lesser priority given the fact majority of our games in the league will require attacking qualities rather than defensive ones.

It has been reported ETH wants more goal threat from midfield rather than just Bruno. Eriksen doesn’t have that threat. All the top teams are starting to play a similar system with essentially 5 up front. We currently don’t have anyone who’s suited well to the secondary number 8 role who can provide the output amount gives.
 
All utter tosh. Say no to £60m for Mount but consider £80m for Caicedo. How does that make sense? And what's happening with other transfer activity... we're not moving players on, or getting new ones in... why leave till a late rush?
 
Has there been any indication (other than assumption) that the player wants to come here?
 
Has there been any indication (other than assumption) that the player wants to come here?
There was a story about him being a United fan but papers know F all. He wanted to go Arsenal, he then suddenly was set for Chelsea, no doubt he’ll soon be linked with Bayern
 
There was a story about him being a United fan but papers know F all. He wanted to go Arsenal, he then suddenly was set for Chelsea, no doubt he’ll soon be linked with Bayern
Caicedo actually dreamed about playing for real madrid one day as well. :lol:
 
As much as I’d love Caicedo, even more than Mount I can see why ETH would want it the other way around.

Mounts productivity in terms of goals, assists and key chances is huge factor in us wanting him. Caicedo is a completely different role which ETH probably sees as a lesser priority given the fact majority of our games in the league will require attacking qualities rather than defensive ones.

It has been reported ETH wants more goal threat from midfield rather than just Bruno. Eriksen doesn’t have that threat. All the top teams are starting to play a similar system with essentially 5 up front. We currently don’t have anyone who’s suited well to the secondary number 8 role who can provide the output amount gives.
Casemiro can, Caicedo in midfield would give him more freedom to attack and vice versa. As a small example he managed to get 0.16 goals per 90 from defensive midfield last season, compared to Mount's 0.13. We have Amad that could play as a no.10 playmaker against the right opposition, preferably at home, in place of Mount until next summer. The addition of Caicedo makes this possible, as he could play as a RB advancing into the double pivot next to Casemiro. Along with Amad there's also Mainoo, Eriksen and Mejbri that can play the role too.
 
Has there been any indication (other than assumption) that the player wants to come here?


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All utter tosh. Say no to £60m for Mount but consider £80m for Caicedo. How does that make sense? And what's happening with other transfer activity... we're not moving players on, or getting new ones in... why leave till a late rush?

Caicedo isn't in last year of contract
 
All utter tosh. Say no to £60m for Mount but consider £80m for Caicedo. How does that make sense? And what's happening with other transfer activity... we're not moving players on, or getting new ones in... why leave till a late rush?
Why are people having such a hard time understanding this? Caicedo signed a new contract in January and has world class potential, it makes more sense paying £85 million on him than £65 million on Mount, who has a year left on his contract and has apparently made it clear he's not renewing.
 
Colwill disproves this theory.
The loanee who played 1300 minutes last season? We don't need to send Amad to Brighton for that, he can easily amass those sorts of dwindling minutes here.
 
The loanee who played 1300 minutes last season? We don't need to send Amad to Brighton for that, he can easily amass those sorts of dwindling minutes here.

Tbf Colwill spent like 2 months out injured I think.
 
Caicedo is far too sensible a signing, the exact type of player we actually need, for it to ever happen unfortunately. I fully expect us to sign Mount for 60+ million on deadline day. I hope I am wrong but nothing ever seems to change at this club regarding transfers.

Lavia is another we should go for.
 
Buying Caicedo will mean freeing up Bruno and getting the best out of him. He can easily add 10 goals and as many assists to our campaign if he is allowed to play where he thrives.
 
Buying Caicedo will mean freeing up Bruno and getting the best out of him. He can easily add 10 goals and as many assists to our campaign if he is allowed to play where he thrives.

Something that has been maybe missed
 
Buying Caicedo will mean freeing up Bruno and getting the best out of him. He can easily add 10 goals and as many assists to our campaign if he is allowed to play where he thrives.

That is if he sorts out his finishing. Been crap for a while now.
 
You know what’ll happen here, City will sign Rice, West Ham sign Palhinha, Arsenal pay £80m for Caicedo and we will end up paying £70m for Mount on deadline day.
 
caicedo and casemiro together will go too defensive.

we need a atarting 8 more but we seem to be after 6 and 10.

I guess tough to find another DE JOng
 
caicedo and casemiro together will go too defensive.

we need a atarting 8 more but we seem to be after 6 and 10.

I guess tough to find another DE JOng
No it won't. Both midfielders are all rounded enough to play as an 8 comfortably, and 2 or 3 playmakers can play with them in midfield too.
 
I’m just bloody sick of every single transfer turning in to a saga and/false hopes. Why can’t we just sign players easily like city and Liverpool seem to do?
Mount is this years FDJ, the year before last (or year before that) was Sancho. You just know Caicedo won’t be straight forward either. Even Hojlund, who we appear to have zero completion with and scored 7 goals has the potential of becoming a saga too. It’s just fecking boring.
 
Buying Caicedo will mean freeing up Bruno and getting the best out of him. He can easily add 10 goals and as many assists to our campaign if he is allowed to play where he thrives.
Feel like this would actually just leave us even more open to good teams who can play through the middle. Bruno already leaves Case/Eriksen very vulnerable, Caceido would definitely be a big upgrade defensively on Eriksen but he's only 1 man.
 
caicedo and casemiro together will go too defensive.

we need a atarting 8 more but we seem to be after 6 and 10.

I guess tough to find another DE JOng

Still hoping we have plans to bring in someone who is good in the build up phase,however accepted that it's likely to be next window
 
No it won't. Both midfielders are all rounded enough to play as an 8 comfortably, and 2 or 3 playmakers can play with them in midfield too.

How can two or three playmakers play with them in midfield if both Casemiro and Caicedo are playing?
 
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