Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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croadyman said:
Other than De Jong who else could offer us that ball progressor so badly missing in midfield
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Definitely nobody attainable anyway. ETH will have to think out of the box because we can't chase FDJ again all summer.

Casemiro and Caicedo would be a very strong and efficient midfield in fairness. But definitely lacking that needed flair and guile.
 


Brighton seem fed up with the cnuts in London. Should mean if we want him in the summer we should get him.
 
Samid said:


Brighton seem fed up with the cnuts in London. Should mean if we want him in the summer we should get him.
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Yep if it's United and Arsenal going head-to-head in the Summer, then I'm sure Brighton would rather negotiate our way

Hopefully our owners are rich and passionate about winning
 
I'd like to see him at United during the summer. A good long term option in place of the influence of Casemiro. Having watched Brighton he also seems to be very competent in possession of the ball and is strong / good balance.

Offset the likes of Mctomminay to Newcastle (40 million) and bring this guy in.
 
Samid said:


Brighton seem fed up with the cnuts in London. Should mean if we want him in the summer we should get him.
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Seems a bit overblown to me. Arsenal put in sizeable official bids and Brighton rejected them. I don't think that is a sign of disrespect from Arsenal. Nor is it "stubbornness" from Brighton. It's just a transfer deal that didn't come off. Happens all the time.

Had Caicedo not taken it upon himself to go public with his displeasure, I'm not sure this is much of a story at all.
 
footballbite said:
I don't quite get the hype yet with Caicedo.

Sure he seems a good ball winner already, but not especially creative or with a wide passing range - surely Utd should be after a player who offers a bit more as a CM?

Casemiro already does most of the deep-lying defensive work anyway, so I think an ideal pairing for him would be someone a bit more dynamic and box-to-box. Someone a bit more rounded in their skills profile.
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That's my view on him too.

We've already seen this with Schneiderlin, looked decent at Southampton but once he was given more responsibility with the ball, he didn't know what to do with it.

All that tackling and running around looks good, but at clubs like Utd, where you are expected to do more on the ball, you need to have that extra bit of quality in possession. He doesn't seem to possess a particularly expansive or creative passing range.
 
Daydreamer said:
Seems a bit overblown to me. Arsenal put in sizeable official bids and Brighton rejected them. I don't think that is a sign of disrespect from Arsenal. Nor is it "stubbornness" from Brighton. It's just a transfer deal that didn't come off. Happens all the time.

Had Caicedo not taken it upon himself to go public with his displeasure, I'm not sure this is much of a story at all.
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The timing of the bid - at the end of the window, is obviously annoying for them and shows they don't particularly care about Brighton's situation. I think the bid itself is very fair and can understand why Arsenal thinks it was reasonable, but I do understand why Brighton may not have a good relationship with you now because of it.
 
I really hope we don’t go for him.

He doesn’t seem like a ten Hag player anyway.
 
I dont think he is the one for us and Ten Hag. Having watched Casemiro, my requirement for a DM has changed.
I dont want someone who will just break up play, we need to find someone who is an elite passer too.
 
Lash said:
The timing of the bid - at the end of the window, is obviously annoying for them and shows they don't particularly care about Brighton's situation. I think the bid itself is very fair and can understand why Arsenal thinks it was reasonable, but I do understand why Brighton may not have a good relationship with you now because of it.
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This is how I see it too.

I’m surprised that he wasn’t sold but if you are Brighton you’re going to be annoyed they left it so late.
 
A player with 18 Premier League matches to his name kicking up this much fuss over wanting to leave the club at the halfway point of a season thats going incredibly well for the club. If someone in his entourage adviced him to do this, they should not be working for him. If he himself did this, he needs to take this as a learning opportunity.

This was desperate from Caicedo, but I suppose you can attribute it to youth and immaturity.

All he achieved was damage his relationship with the club and the fans. Instead he should know full well that there will be a bidding war for him in the summer window.
 
He’d join us over Arsenal. Chelsea’s ‘super team’ under Potter may be a different story. Get agent Tony V involved and sign him along with Sesko in the summer.

With new owners in place it will be time for us to get serious in the market to avoid falling behind.
 
Tom Cato said:
A player with 18 Premier League matches to his name kicking up this much fuss over wanting to leave the club at the halfway point of a season thats going incredibly well for the club. If someone in his entourage adviced him to do this, they should not be working for him. If he himself did this, he needs to take this as a learning opportunity.

This was desperate from Caicedo, but I suppose you can attribute it to youth and immaturity.

All he achieved was damage his relationship with the club and the fans. Instead he should know full well that there will be a bidding war for him in the summer window.
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The club he wanted to join are in a fantastic position to win the title. It's understandable that he kicked up a fuss despite how shite it is.
 
Tom Cato said:
A player with 18 Premier League matches to his name kicking up this much fuss over wanting to leave the club at the halfway point of a season thats going incredibly well for the club. If someone in his entourage adviced him to do this, they should not be working for him. If he himself did this, he needs to take this as a learning opportunity.
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Have you watched him though? He’s had an almost Kante-like effect on Brightons fortunes since he broke into the first team. Closest thing to him as a player in the younger generation.
 
Lash said:
The timing of the bid - at the end of the window, is obviously annoying for them and shows they don't particularly care about Brighton's situation. I think the bid itself is very fair and can understand why Arsenal thinks it was reasonable, but I do understand why Brighton may not have a good relationship with you now because of it.
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Yeah, I see your point. We don't care about Brighton's situation, but I'm not sure any clubs really do.

Our timing was dictated by El Neny's injury. If he wasn't out for what looks like the rest of the season, I don't think we'd have bid for Caicedo. Or any CM until the summer.

It is a vivid example of how fluid valuation is. Brighton would be unable to replace him adequately. Bloom has a large personal fortune and, even separate from him, Brighton have made huge profits in the transfer market in recent years. They don't need the money and they have a lot to play for this season. On the other hand, Arsenal have a lot of money and could really do with a player who is acclimatised to the PL and is comfortable playing as both a 6 and 8 for our title challenge. It was like a perfect storm for the price to shoot up.

You can see why he is worth £70m to Arsenal and is worth even more to Brighton in these particular circumstances. But in the summer, when these are no longer key factors, I think his value will fall back down to Chelsea's bid of £55m.

Salty online Arsenal fans who think that will teach Brighton some sort of lesson are mistaken. Having Caicedo for the second half of the season will be worth far more than £15m to Brighton.
 
MUFC OK said:
Have you watched him though? He’s had an almost Kante-like effect on Brightons fortunes since he broke into the first team. Closest thing to him as a player in the younger generation.
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I have seen him. He is a fantastic talent. But the point you make also underlines why a team placed 6th in the Premier League wasnt going to let him go in the middle of the season. If anything he should have been sympathetic to the clubs situation and how him leaving might impact their season.
 
I would go all out for a sneaky Matteo Kovacic bid in the summer. Start working on it now. 25 million. Perfect back up for Casemiro. Or can play alongside. He's the right age, has bags of experience, and will probably be surplus to requirements now that Chelsea have 73 midfielders.

I would also throw my hat in the ring for Reece James.
 
The fees reported are heavily influenced by Chelsea's spending...which you can understand. But I hope United don't waste any time in the summer getting into a bidding war for Caicedo!
 
eire-red said:
Definitely nobody attainable anyway. ETH will have to think out of the box because we can't chase FDJ again all summer.

Casemiro and Caicedo would be a very strong and efficient midfield in fairness. But definitely lacking that needed flair and guile.
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Yeah definitely need some flair and guile in that midfield even when Eriksen returns but struggling to come with names who have De Jong's dribbling and through ball quality
 
Wheato said:
I would go all out for a sneaky Matteo Kovacic bid in the summer. Start working on it now. 25 million. Perfect back up for Casemiro. Or can play alongside. He's the right age, has bags of experience, and will probably be surplus to requirements now that Chelsea have 73 midfielders.

I would also throw my hat in the ring for Reece James.
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Your clearly jesting over Reese James because no way are Chelsea letting him join a rival
 
BenitoSTARR said:
This is how I see it too.

I’m surprised that he wasn’t sold but if you are Brighton you’re going to be annoyed they left it so late.
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Exactly.
Daydreamer said:
Yeah, I see your point. We don't care about Brighton's situation, but I'm not sure any clubs really do.

Our timing was dictated by El Neny's injury. If he wasn't out for what looks like the rest of the season, I don't think we'd have bid for Caicedo. Or any CM until the summer.

It is a vivid example of how fluid valuation is. Brighton would be unable to replace him adequately. Bloom has a large personal fortune and, even separate from him, Brighton have made huge profits in the transfer market in recent years. They don't need the money and they have a lot to play for this season. On the other hand, Arsenal have a lot of money and could really do with a player who is acclimatised to the PL and is comfortable playing as both a 6 and 8 for our title challenge. It was like a perfect storm for the price to shoot up.

You can see why he is worth £70m to Arsenal and is worth even more to Brighton in these particular circumstances. But in the summer, when these are no longer key factors, I think his value will fall back down to Chelsea's bid of £55m.

Salty online Arsenal fans who think that will teach Brighton some sort of lesson are mistaken. Having Caicedo for the second half of the season will be worth far more than £15m to Brighton.
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Well that's how you create a bad relationship with a club!

I did not know that about El Neny, so that does make sense - but that is still a mindset of, well I've got a problem that needs solving, here's a load of cash - you sort yourself out. It's not a very good way to conduct business if you ever intend to work with them again.

Anyway, I'm sure it won't truly break down relationships, unless it was conducted really poorly from Arsenal's side. Which I don't believe you would have.
 
Don't think I'd want him to come here the way he acted towards Brighton.
 
yumtum said:
Don't think I'd want him to come here the way he acted towards Brighton.
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Depends if he can get his head down for next few months after trouble caused but won't have impressed Erik that's for sure
 
croadyman said:
Depends if he can get his head down for next few months after trouble caused but won't have impressed Erik that's for sure
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Nah, being a good player is only part of it, and he's showed that he is indeed a good one, sadly the other side of the coin is being a good character, which it seems he isn't.

He's obviously young and probably just over eager for that huge move, which is understandable, but not ready for a club with such huge expectations.
 
croadyman said:
Depends if he can get his head down for next few months after trouble caused but won't have impressed Erik that's for sure
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So Antony doing that is fine but not this guy ? These things happen all the time and I don't think he would be bothered about it.
 
Tom Cato said:
I have seen him. He is a fantastic talent. But the point you make also underlines why a team placed 6th in the Premier League wasnt going to let him go in the middle of the season. If anything he should have been sympathetic to the clubs situation and how him leaving might impact their season.
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I agree. The talent he has, they will easily get 70-80m in the summer. Big chance for Brighton to get into Europe so good for them that he is staying. He'd be top of my list for a young midfielder seeing as Bellingham seems to be a no-go.
 
Vapor trail said:
I'd like to see him at United during the summer. A good long term option in place of the influence of Casemiro. Having watched Brighton he also seems to be very competent in possession of the ball and is strong / good balance.

Offset the likes of Mctomminay to Newcastle (40 million) and bring this guy in.
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£40m for McTominay? We would be lucky to get £20m.
 
yumtum said:
Nah, being a good player is only part of it, and he's showed that he is indeed a good one, sadly the other side of the coin is being a good character, which it seems he isn't.

He's obviously young and probably just over eager for that huge move, which is understandable, but not ready for a club with such huge expectations.
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I feel for him. There was a decent chance of him getting his hand on a PL medal. That's an incredibly rare opportunity for any player. The likes of Gerrard went their entire careers without achieving that. It's a huge deal.
 
Fair play to Brighton. If you're a club like that you can't just roll over and give into power plays by players and clubs every single time. Sometimes you have to but not this time. Especially if you have any ambition of doing something and it's January.
 
The ship has sailed for him to move to Arsenal and may be Chelsea. Man Utd can still be an option for him in summer.
 
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