and a step down from Mitoma!
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Quite a lot of nastiness in this comment, but the bolded is lost on me. The only winger we bought this season was Antony for £85m. Where has 180m come from?
Personally have no issue with Brighton holding firm. They're doing what's best for the club and you can only respect that.
Whoever was making posts like the one you've mentioned has rocks in their head. I haven't seen anyone here doing that at least.
No, of course, but he's not meant to. In the build-up phase, however, in terms of controlling tempo and slotting neat balls into channels and half-spaces, Jorginho is probably better than Partey and Xhaka. It is a skillset that isn't there at present, to that level.
For what it's worth, you should focus less on how you look to Chelsea fans (retirement FC) and more on how Arteta would utilise someone like him. Previous Chelsea disappointments don't represent this one. Every player is, ultimately, individual.
Jorginho 
Mitoma looks absolutely quality so far. Probably cost £100m in the summer!
It's probably come from his backside which is the tool of choice of Arsenal fans when they try to make a point and more than usual fail
With us probably having new owners by the time the next transfer window opens, I wouldn’t be surprised if we target Caicedo considering we do need quality backup for Casemiro and Eriksen.
Must be referring to Antony and Sancho.
He’s right. Similar to them spending £485m on Pepe.
Take this, for example, from Arsenal Mania;
“Hilarious we pay these extortionists 140 million pounds in last 24 months for 3 players and we are offering them 220 million for 4 players and Brighton is mad? When i tell you people i have lost their friggen minds this is what i mean. They should worry about Arsenal choosing not to buy from them. Tomorrow you tender fair market value to any German club or Dutch club they instantly sell. They aren’t stupid that is what the player is worth.
If English feeder clubs go nuts in valuations big clubs who are smart ( united and Chelsea not included) will just bypass them and go to foreign and Championship clubs. Which frankly is what we should of done awhile back”
Extortionists!
Yes but more than that we need a striker and a full back. So our funds need to be allocated there first.
Yep and the season's going terribly as a result. You're right to be fuming. Start a protest, it's the only way.
Jorginho’s gash. Pretty happy if that’s all Arsenal can muster on deadline day.
Trossard is not "absolute quality" Not even close. He is fine. Would take him as a squad player.. and that's what he will be at Arsenal.
Take this, for example, from Arsenal Mania;
“Hilarious we pay these extortionists 140 million pounds in last 24 months for 3 players and we are offering them 220 million for 4 players and Brighton is mad? When i tell you people i have lost their friggen minds this is what i mean. They should worry about Arsenal choosing not to buy from them. Tomorrow you tender fair market value to any German club or Dutch club they instantly sell. They aren’t stupid that is what the player is worth.
If English feeder clubs go nuts in valuations big clubs who are smart ( united and Chelsea not included) will just bypass them and go to foreign and Championship clubs. Which frankly is what we should of done awhile back”
Extortionists!
It’s Arsenal fans. That’s all that needs to be said.
Take this, for example, from Arsenal Mania;
“Hilarious we pay these extortionists 140 million pounds in last 24 months for 3 players and we are offering them 220 million for 4 players and Brighton is mad? When i tell you people i have lost their friggen minds this is what i mean. They should worry about Arsenal choosing not to buy from them. Tomorrow you tender fair market value to any German club or Dutch club they instantly sell. They aren’t stupid that is what the player is worth.
If English feeder clubs go nuts in valuations big clubs who are smart ( united and Chelsea not included) will just bypass them and go to foreign and Championship clubs. Which frankly is what we should of done awhile back”
Extortionists!
Is this the Arsemania version of "Daddy want!".
For me this has nothing to do with our previous dealings with Chelsea. Each deal should be looked at in isolation.
I want someone that could cover for Partey, in particular his defensive presence. Unfortunately he's very unique as far as DM's go, as he's really press resistent and can progress the ball, along with providing a strong and athletic physical presence.
Jorginho may be able to progress the ball, but I don't think he's close to having the defensive presence of Partey.
A backup midfield of Lokonga and Jorginho offers very little protection.
If Partey was an ironman then I wouldn't be too fussed. But he's not (hopefully I'm reverse cursing now that I've said that).
Prolly referring to the euro amounts for Sancho (€85m) and Antony (€95+5m).
Take this, for example, from Arsenal Mania;
“Hilarious we pay these extortionists 140 million pounds in last 24 months for 3 players and we are offering them 220 million for 4 players and Brighton is mad? When i tell you people i have lost their friggen minds this is what i mean. They should worry about Arsenal choosing not to buy from them. Tomorrow you tender fair market value to any German club or Dutch club they instantly sell. They aren’t stupid that is what the player is worth.
If English feeder clubs go nuts in valuations big clubs who are smart ( united and Chelsea not included) will just bypass them and go to foreign and Championship clubs. Which frankly is what we should of done awhile back”
Extortionists!
Haha, though your first issue was jumping on there in the first place. To be fair every fanbase has their morons which don't represent the rest of the base.
How do you make it to adulthood without becoming self aware? Mr. "Im totally not riled up so here you have an insult, a jest, a moan, a complaint and a list of things Im not riled up about"
Does your own thinking globe possess the smoothness of a quantum atom mirror? Tony Adams would spit his moring tea out if he could see what you post online.
Casemiro and Caicedo as the double pivot would be incredible, we should be in for him in the summer. No 6 and 8 cover sorted in one transfer.
Jorginho is a good move in consideration to what Arsenal need to close the league this season and that's cover and depth. He's got enough quality to make an immediate difference and has won more than the first 11 of Arsenal combined.
Caicedo is a highly rated prospect nothing more. Bissouma being the flavour of the month for a few seasons going to Tottenham and failing to do anything is an example that nothing is a guarantee in the midfield.
Caicedo is a highly rated prospect nothing more. Bissouma being the flavour of the month for a few seasons going to Tottenham and failing to do anything is an example that nothing is a guarantee in the midfield.
Looks like he’s staying put until the summer which is good as allows other clubs like United to consider him.
Missed opportunity for Arsenal to get him unchallenged.
Missed opportunity for Arsenal to get him unchallenged.
They were caught tapping up Mudryk and then clearly did the same with Caicedo. Good on you for refusing to budge.
Trosaard was good business by Brighton, 27 million for a sub. Mitoma is better.
Agree. I’d imagine Liverpool and United will be too of the queue with new owners in the summer. If Bellingham goes Liverpool, and Enzo to Chelsea, then possibly Utd as most likely candidates.
This was Arsenal’s chance to get him unchallenged.
Massive failure from Arsenal not to get this over the line, a worrying sign of their structure, pull and hopes of being a big team again.
I think criticism of their set up in terms of recruiting is valid. Just bumped their thread to see what the Gooners think.
Respectfully, it could have been Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal or Real Madrid. The point is the player is not, and never was, for sale in January. Arsenal’s only “failing” was not paying the £100m+ needed for Brighton to maybe, finally, possibly consider a sale two days before the end of the transfer window.
Their issue was not understanding that Bloom saying no wasn’t him trying to get them to up the bid. They should’ve moved onto other targets sooner, but seemed to think Brighton were playing cat and mouse.
What I’m saying is that he wouldn’t have gone to Manchester United either without an absolutely astronomical bid.
Jorginho is finished and not the same profile as Partey. He can't bring anything close to what Partey does.
Arsenal fans are be right to be unhappy with this.
Arsenal fans are be right to be unhappy with this.
We won't get him. We'll have limited spending ability by the sounds of it, so all fund will hopefully be directed towards a CF. Whilst I'd love Caicedo, he's a luxury for us in a way as primarily I think we need somebody that is excellent on the ball and can dictate play. Caicedo is amazing at what he does but we've got more players who provide 'legs' in Fred and McTominay (not to the same level as Caicedo, obviously) but not enough quality on the ball in the middle.
Ideally McTominay is getting sold, that leaves us with one CDM. If we can buy one midfielder that can play either of the deep roles then that'd be perfect. Casemiro and Caicedo are both freakishly all rounded and can dictate play to the required standard, with Bruno, Eriksen or Diallo in front of them I don't see us struggling. We also have Mainoo, Iqbal and Mebjri waiting to prove themselves at no.8 too.
#EduOut is trending on Twitter.
#EduOut is trending on Twitter.
And this is a prime example why these mugs winning the league stinks. A horrible spoilt fan base.Let's play spot the Twitter fan
As if the highlighted would or should be an actual consideration for any transfer decision.
You're signing someone who was regarded as one of the best midfielders in Europe 12 months ago as cover. You're top of the league by some distance and playing fantastic football.
Just fecking enjoy it, because who knows when your lot will get back round to hounding Arteta out
We targeted Mudryk for months and months and failed in embarrassing fashion. Have you ever seen a player so keen to join a side? That was completely on Edu.
In the end we ended up with Trossard, which is not the worst result as he is a good player that can cover multiple positions. It may even work out in our favour in the short-term as we need someone who can hit the ground running. But, to me, this one will haunt us for years as I believe Mudryk will become a elite winger.
We then targeted Caicedo for weeks and failed. Not signing him is only part of the issue - you can't blame Brighton for holding firm. The issue was not addressing this issue before the start of the season.
Going into this season we had:
Partey (28) - quality DM and a very unique player. But has been extremely injury prone.
Xhaka (30) - having a renaissance and has been great this season. However last season he was only decent and was coming off the back of some poor seasons prior to that. We needed an upgrade, or at least someone to rotate with him.
Lokonga (22) - young, inexperienced, and underwhelming. But maybe he'd develop this season (fast forward a few months and it seems like he hasn't taken a single step in his development).
El Neny (31) - average experienced backup and a great culture guys.
The issue going into the season was glaring for mine.
Ending up with Jorginho is a bit of a joke to me. But that's because I have no faith in him filling in for Partey if he is required to. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Its also on Edu all the signings that have us 5 clear at the top of the table with a game in hand. Hes doing an amazing job alongside Arteta. Other teams have unlimited funds we dont. I suggest all Arsenal fans who are not happy with Edu to just go support chelsea, they buy all the players all the time.
Alright mate. I'll just go chuck in my 20+ years of supporting Arsenal and go support Chelsea instead, because Buxton of the internet told me to after he couldn't take some valid criticisms of Edu.
Edu has been great, but that doesn't make him immune to criticism. If we falter during the second half of the season because of our midfield depth who will shoulder the blame?
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