Please see posts #471 onwards regarding Caicedo’s compensation. He is on a great deal more than £3-5k per week, but I agree it makes funny gossip. And in the end, isn’t a lie the real truth? The answer is no.
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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That's what makes the whole situation strange, he's so early in his time at the club to be putting in a transfer request
Am sure Brighton would offer better terms after a year but probably not as much as Arsenal or Chelsea
Am sure Brighton would offer better terms after a year but probably not as much as Arsenal or Chelsea
Don't like it at all personally. But if it helps us get him then I'll be happy.
I feel somewhat conflicted though as I really like what Brighton have been able to do. They're a lovely boutique club that's been great in the market. Look at this good work:
Cucurella
Bought for - €18.00m
Sold for - €65.30m
Difference - plus €47.30m
White
Bought for - free transfer
Sold for - €58.50m
Difference - plus €58.50m
Bissouma
Bought for - €16.80m
Sold for - €29.20m
Difference - plus €12.40m
Trossard
Bought for - €15.56m
Sold for - €24.00m
Difference - plus €8.44m
Neal Maupay
Bought for - €15.56m
Sold for - €11.80m
Difference - minus €3.76m
Anthony Knockaert
Bought for - €3.50m
Sold for - €11.70m
Difference - plus €8.20m
Moises Caicedo
Bought for - €5.00m
Alexis Mac Allister
Bought for - €8.00m
Kaoru Mitoma
Bought for - €3.00m
Mind you they took a €18.00m hit on Alireza Jahanbakhsh.
Makes me think that it's Chelsea that's put a ridiculous offer in front of him, and they blast us out of the water like they did with Mudryk.
Same way I felt about Antony. Too easy see that being repeated if he fulfils his potential and one of the Spanish giants come knocking.
But yeah, hardly going to say no to a player because he wants to come to your club too much.
Contracts are fluid in modern sports. If Euro football doesn’t already know that, then they are about to learn.
Benfica gave Enzo 2m just to make up for not selling him; smart.
Both sides can essentially call the other back to the table anytime they want to, and most of the time it’s just about rewards or accounting needs.
Chelsea started a lot of their new players on long cl tracts, but compared to their old structure they are pretty low dollar, and then they have performance bonuses, and performance renegotiations built in.
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And yes, that was an agent crafted statement. That was a “You are my new agents and have a week to make this happen” opening salvo.
Generally agreed contracts are fluid, up to a point and not unilaterally though.
I think this might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you. Uncomfortable.
I'd love to get Mac Allister actually, great little player.
Brighton attracts players with pitches that emphasize their track record moving players on to bigger teams though.
They don’t say “come here kid a d we’ll win titles!”
They say “come here kid and we’ll develop you into a United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs (enter team) in no time”
They are not surprised when players want to leave. But the sheer number, and now in January …, that is an issue for sure.
If Chelsea or Arsenal were offering some good young players on loan as part of the deal, it could really help everyone.
Heck we gave them 60 for Cucurella and sold them Gilmour for 9 and Lamptey … free?
They still owe us.
I was just thinking I might actually rather win this one than Caicedo….
While I understand that some fans are upset Brighton might end up losing key talent this late in Jan, I suppose if they get good money for him, then as one Brighton fan explained here, it’s basic business.
If he’d add value to the squad, they’d pay the fee relative to the value he adds, which is basic business.
Cheers!
Which is a cop out. I don’t stop doing my job just because there’s more hassle to it.
I think there was more to it, COVID travel ban and the fact that Brighton had worked with his agent before and did a deal via Zoom was a big part of it
He changed his agent a few days ago and the feeling is this maybe them rather than him. There’s also a bit of anger and belief that the agent has agreed personal terms already with Arsenal and Chelsea therefore unsettling him and effectively tapping him up.
The general feeling is fans are happy to see him go in the summer, but at this point in the window we should keep him regardless of money for the rest of the season as we don’t want to set the precedent of letting anyone go at anytime they fancy it.
He’s someone we don’t have a ready made replacement for as he was Bissouma’s replacement in the summer.
He changed his agents precisely to get this move done. They're working for him, not the other way around.
As for tapping up, it's 2023, it happens with every big transfer. All of them.
Got no patience sadly
See if you still sing the same tune when Pep starts wining and dining Reece James
True. I didn’t know people rated him that highly till now. Hide his name and I would think we are missing out on lothar Matthaus.He's great but as usual the reaction on here is so massively over the top
What on earth made this deal with his agents so fecking complex that no top clubs wanted to get involved. He was literally available for peanuts.
Who do posters rate more? Caicedo or Mcallister?
Yeah just bloody typical we haven't got the cash to rival Arsenal for him when he wants to leave. Such an ideal long term replacement for Casa but nope too skint to get involved.
According to the Athletic, an insider said we walked away because it was a "fecking shitshow"... yet as some Brighton fans here have explained several times, they were able to do the deal because they knew some people from another player that they'd bought before. Which makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is how a £5bn rated enterprise couldn't figure it out because we didn't know people.
Absolute shambles when none of the supposed big six couldn't be bothered to try figuring it out with such a low fee involved.
To be fair I dont remember if the other clubs ever went as far as we did in attempting to do a deal, before backing out. I dont know if they couldn't figure it out either, or just didn't rate him as much as we did. Unfortunately Woody learned absolutely nothing from old the days of sending the three amigos to do a deal and still fecking it up because we couldn't figure out how to activate a Spanish release clause.
Oh god the Herrera farce of 2013
Why would that change my tune?See if you still sing the same tune when Pep starts wining and dining Reece James
Agents work for players, not the other way around.
And "tapping up" happens in every big transfer and had done for many, many years. You think a club is going to offer millions without knowing that the player is interested? Come on.
It depends. If Caicedo goes to any club that's not United then McAllister. Else Caicedo
Quite late to replace him though - and not easy to find a similar mould. Knowing Brighton though, they probably have a list of 5 players who they can get for 2m that will come in and make you wonder what the noise generated by Caicedo was all about.
Impressed with Arsenal though - acting like champions by going for very good players in positions where they already have very good players. That's how you strengthen a squad playing for trophies on all fronts.
With us, we'll start going "where will he play?"
With us, we'll start going "where will he play?"
Caicedo and it isn't close at all.
Mac Allister is a decent midfielder who provides energy and can be a good supporting player with some decent all round player. He isn't a DM, isn't a playmaker. Just a support box to box of which there's are loads of out there.
Caicedo can run games and be the key holding midfielder and is very good on the ball as well.
Are arsenal hedging their bets with you-know-who's misdemeanours?
I think they are a very similar level. Caicedo looks very good I will admit, but so did Bissouma.
Can he at least stay and stay focused for the Liverpool game. Would significantly improve our chances if Liverpool were sent out of the FA cup. Unless of course they are drawn against City in the next round
The United player in question left clear visible evidence of his offending - that being the poor victim's battered face.
The Arsenal player's matter is a he said v she said situation with no independent witnesses. The only circumstantial evidence are the text messages - of which I read them all.
These situations aren't alike in any way.
For what it's worth - I believe that he is probably guilty based on what I have read, and based on having some experience with these kinds of matters. But there's not enough evidence to issue charges (based on the information that has been made public by the victim).
Kind of annoyed we're looking like missing out on him. I hope Ten Hag has a midfielder in mind who is not named De Jong because we're hopelessly short of quality in that area.
Unlikely that's a big factor but you never know. But the main reason (apart from the obvious that we are very light in midfield anyway) is that Elneny now looks like he'll be out injured for a while. Which only leaves Lokonga as proper CM cover, which doesn't inspire any confidence. Partey's track record with injury is also not great with us (he's missed the back end of the last two seasons) so we definitely need reinforcements.
Refer to my post above.
If you have some experience of these matters then you’d know you are putting this forum on the wrong side of contempt law by saying he is probably guilty. This shouldn’t be discussed here in this level of detail.
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