Has the guy even played a full season in the EPL yet? Can't imagine Brighton fans have any reason to feel too grateful to him...
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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Why would Brighton walk into that swap, let alone an obligation to buy McTominay?
We need to get creative... Loan swap with Mctominay, then an obligation to buy in the summer.
I read that on his twitter but it’s unofficial so thought it was a parody account. Pretty rank of him to come out and do that when Brighton have tried really hard to do things under wraps in the past. Can’t imagine their fans will be happy if he ends up staying. Way to ruin your love story!
The obligation would be us buying Caicedo (we can't afford him now). There's only a couple of days left of the window, so at least they'd get a midfield replacement...
Just let me dream.
Sure, knock yourself out
What a cnut move.
@The Boy what’s the mood like over on north stand chat?
He's great but as usual the reaction on here is so massively over the top feels like if any player ever goes to another club he's a generational talent that missing out on will cost us dearly and we'll never recover.
feels like if any player ever goes to another club he's a generational talent that missing out on will cost us dearly and we'll never recover.I've had a quick snoop on there and while it appears that they are understandably irked by this, they have also pointed out that Evan Ferguson liked his posts so they are not feeling the love toward him either.
Not him but we are pretty furious. In the last six months we’ve lost (against our wishes, every single one being poached) last year’s player of the season (Cucurella), our manager, our technical director, our head of recruitment and his entire team, our entire backroom coaching staff including a club legend (Bruno), our current top scorer (Trossard) and now Caicedo.
Oh and one of our most promising young first team players Enock Mwepu was forced to suddenly retire due to a serious heart condition.
The same Moises Caicedo who, on Wednesday(!) said:
“I am focussed on Brighton,” he said. “I am here, I’m playing every day. Things from outside don’t trouble me, nor does it take that focus away because I’m focussed only on here.
“I handle [the speculation] well. You hear rumours here and there, but I only try to be focused on the club where I am now, the club which opened the doors for me to be playing every week.” (https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/3036059/caicedo-i-am-focussed-on-albion/)
All of this happening during our best season in top flight history, our only replacement signings since losing Trossard, Mwepu and now Caicedo being two 18 year old prospects from the League of Ireland and a 17 year old Argentinian.
It’s fair to say we feel pretty hard done by thanks to the money clubs.
Oh and one of our most promising young first team players Enock Mwepu was forced to suddenly retire due to a serious heart condition.
The same Moises Caicedo who, on Wednesday(!) said:
“I am focussed on Brighton,” he said. “I am here, I’m playing every day. Things from outside don’t trouble me, nor does it take that focus away because I’m focussed only on here.
“I handle [the speculation] well. You hear rumours here and there, but I only try to be focused on the club where I am now, the club which opened the doors for me to be playing every week.” (https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/3036059/caicedo-i-am-focussed-on-albion/)
All of this happening during our best season in top flight history, our only replacement signings since losing Trossard, Mwepu and now Caicedo being two 18 year old prospects from the League of Ireland and a 17 year old Argentinian.
It’s fair to say we feel pretty hard done by thanks to the money clubs.
I feel your pain. I’m still getting over losing Barkley, Stones, Lukaku and Deulofeu in the space of a few years. It’s rough.
Another annoyingly good move from Arsenal if he goes there.
Seems like one of Partey or Odegaard going down would be the worst thing that could happen to them, and this fills the first of those gaps in their squad about as well as you could.
Seems like one of Partey or Odegaard going down would be the worst thing that could happen to them, and this fills the first of those gaps in their squad about as well as you could.
I'm sure there was someone (a Brighton fan?) on here the other day making the complete opposite point, that it's a new era where clubs like Brighton won't lose their best players because it's a level playing field now with all the money in the game. In any case, not sure how you can feel hard done by. A club wanted your player and is prepared to pay a price your ownership will accept; player wants to move onwards and upwards to a CL club. Of course he's going to say he is focused on Brighton unless the transfer is done. This is all just 'in the game', isn't it? I have sympathy regarding Potter and his back-room staff leaving right after the season began, that was messed up, but otherwise it's fair game for players to leave to other clubs during the transfer window.
His new agent must have pressured him to do this to force a January move. He must see the opportunity to lift the PL trophy as too good to turn down and wait for a summer move.
The sheer amount of losses to bigger clubs that Brighton have incurred in the last six months is quite literally unprecedented. Even Southampton, who lost many key players, did so over a longer period and managed to protect most of their vital infrastructure behind the scenes.
Brighton assets are just about the most in-demand in world football. And it won’t end soon.
Sanchez, Mitoma, MacAllister, Estupinan, Ferguson are already being coveted. There are only so many players any club can lose and remain competitive. And eventually, inevitably, the club (stripped of its recruitment team and infrastructure, remember) will stop striking gold with these bargains.
It’s just a real shame for football clubs like ours outside of the “Big Six” that this can happen.
Oh come on now, don't lose faith....
It's like Peter Griffin said to his daughter Meg, "you're what they call a practice girl"
Such a weird statement after a bid was rejected. Annoying they have Liverpool in the cup and he will now defo miss that.
Brighton should be annoyed after losing trossard the way they did and now this.
Brighton should be annoyed after losing trossard the way they did and now this.
This guy can barely speak any English but can write that essay? Agent fingerprint all over that. Its really really poor in taste.
Brighton should stand their ground, it's becoming a trend how players are treating that club
Brighton should stand their ground, it's becoming a trend how players are treating that club
I can't see Brighton selling him this late in the window.
@Judas
There's plenty of good players to sign if we get a ambition owner. I remember in the past seeing us lose out on Ronaldinho but we still went on to be successful. It wouldn't surprise me if we go into the summer window with new ownership and make a real statement of intent by signing several players that fit into the way ten Hag wants to construct the team.
@Judas
There's plenty of good players to sign if we get a ambition owner. I remember in the past seeing us lose out on Ronaldinho but we still went on to be successful. It wouldn't surprise me if we go into the summer window with new ownership and make a real statement of intent by signing several players that fit into the way ten Hag wants to construct the team.
the statement looks like the deal is done and not a transfer request
What a bizarre post to make.He better hope Brighton gives up and Arsenal/Chelsea up their bid, otherwise the next 6 months are going to be pretty awkward.
Brighton furious!?
They have gotten £90m just from Trossard & Cucurella alone, two average players...
Did your club expect to win 3 league titles or a CL or what are they "furious" about?
These absurd fees they are getting from these players will secure the clubs economical standings for years to come if not decade. If they now get £70m for Caicedo that's £160m for 3 players!!
Most clubs of that size would dream to be in Bringhton position with all the financial & economical issues these days.
They have gotten £90m just from Trossard & Cucurella alone, two average players...
Did your club expect to win 3 league titles or a CL or what are they "furious" about?
These absurd fees they are getting from these players will secure the clubs economical standings for years to come if not decade. If they now get £70m for Caicedo that's £160m for 3 players!!
Most clubs of that size would dream to be in Bringhton position with all the financial & economical issues these days.
Do you think the clubs you are buying these players from in the first place are delighted to see their players leave?
Out of all the signings made in the last five years by the club, there was exactly one where the player forced the move in order to join us. That player was Tariq Lamptey from Chelsea, who joined in order to get first team football as he felt his chances at Chelsea were slim. We paid £4m as his contract wound down and he chose us for football reasons (more money on the table to stay in Chelsea U23’s).
Otherwise, our entire transfer model is based around having a good reputation as a buying club; it was this very thing which got us Caicedo, MacAllister and others - who all joined with the club having matched release clauses designed for this very purpose (a transfer to the PL).
What is particularly egregious about the current situation is that Potter left just a handful of games into the season, after having the whole summer to rebuild, leaving us up **** creek.
Caicedo has now pulled this stunt with fewer than five days remaining in the transfer window, leaving very little time to find a replacement, and having posted a very, very strange statement on social media immediately severing any good will between the club and fans before a deal has been announced (or perhaps even struck).
It leaves a very sour taste.
OK, I don't think those clubs actively wanted to sell their players, but were happy to receive fantastic money in exchange. I'm not sure how that's different to what is happening with y'all just because you have "good relationships" with the clubs you're buying from. What should Arsenal do, wine and dine Mr Bloom for a few months and then come back in for Caicedo so they can feel clean about it? Like, I get it, it sucks to lose your best players, but there's nothing new or underhanded about it and I guess I'm just not sure who is at fault and for what.
I agree with you that players pulling these kinds of stunts is not cool, but that's not Arsenal's fault, either. I fully can see why the Potter stuff has you upset, though.
Hahahahaha omg, I don’t really watch Family Guy, but that’s pretty damn funny.
Someone mentioned Ndidi in the Caicedo thread earlier and it’s a valid point: sometimes the windows that come open don’t stay open for long.
A mediocre patch for a team hemorrhaging talent … and the next thing you know people aren’t as interested. You are then stuck on squads with lower expectations while also making less money.
He’s only been there half a season, right? It’s not like he has enduring love for the team.
Brighton is making boatloads. Right now, if I were them, the pathway forward would be to provide a place for hogh profile you get talent to play on loan while they rebuild the back office and scouting apparatus. Use some of that player profit to offer great wages and draw in a new setup.
Then mix in some carefully purchased higher dollar players, scouted purchase gems, and loan relationships with teams.
There’s no reason they can’t be the EPLs version of Dortmund even? Even occasionally making runs at Europe.
You’re quite right about there being “nothing new” about it, however “underhanded” dealings to unsettle players is the very issue at hand. Agents are striking deals between players and buying clubs, with the final hurdle being the selling club agreeing a sale/transfer fee. In the past (and technically still, according to FIFA’s laws) this would be known as “tapping up”.
Regarding your other point, actually the majority of clubs in South America do have a need to sell. Practically all of them, plus many teams in top European leagues historically such as Ajax, base their entire business model on this. (https://www.economist.com/game-theo...ball-clubs-are-missing-out-on-european-riches)
The above article (paywall) explains this in more detail, but taking the signing of Caicedo for example, the club in question was actually employing their own agents to seek European buyers, due to their desperate financial need to sell assets and tread water.
Would you feel better if Caicedo went to Arsenal, seeing that they "earned their money", unlike City/Chelsea?
And on a more serious note, contracts aren't respected well enough by the players. Brighton have every right to tell Caicedo to feck off and serve out the rest of his contract that he signed willingly. Because contrary to his stupid post, and contrary to popular opinion fueled by FM, is really hard to flip transfer fees to overhaul the squad and leave it better than it was before the player was sold. Most clubs that lose talent for cash don't come back better for it, they regress.
If I recall correctly he was offered to us when Ole was manager and came highly recommended by Antonio Valencia who had done all the touting for us. We (Ole and the recruitment staff) were not interested and Brighton snapped him up - the rest as they say is history. Forward wind to Jan 2022 and the same incompetence was repeated with the likes of Alvarez and Enzo.
Probably not true but I found a comment under the Instagram post that he's been paid £3k a week at Brighton
If this is true then they better give him a better contract or let him go
If this is true then they better give him a better contract or let him go
It's true
He's great but as usual the reaction on here is so massively over the top
Well considering we missed on him twice and he’s quality, yeah it pisses me off. Incompetence is frustrating believe it or not
If I remember correctly there was interest but there was a situation regarding the ownership of the player, or I might have been dreaming :-)
Yeah he did, but hen players do very well they usually get an improved contract as an incentive to stay, Arsenal are probably going to pay him 25x+ that so it's hardly surprising he'd want to go
Our rivals doing more than us. The usual then.
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