Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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Meh. We were hardly complaining when Antony wasn't turning up for training this summer as he tried to force a move through. Nor will we if another of our targets tries to force through a move next time. Nor would fans of any other club, including Brighton.

Brighton should hold firm to scalp Arsenal for as much as they can. But I don't particularly have a problem with Caicedo trying to push things.
 
Brighton have nothing to gain from selling him right now. Price won’t go down in the summer and they have no time now so they will just sit him down & tell him to wait till the summer. That’s my feeling at least
 
Please please make this happen. I don’t think he is that great but more likely the best available in January.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Brighton have nothing to gain from selling him right now. Price won’t go down in the summer and they have no time now so they will just sit him down & tell him to wait till the summer. That’s my feeling at least
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Agree with this I hope they can hold out and not be bullied at least in this window, especially this late on.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Brighton have nothing to gain from selling him right now. Price won’t go down in the summer and they have no time now so they will just sit him down & tell him to wait till the summer. That’s my feeling at least
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Yep. Price will go up if anything, and they'll have ample time to find a proper replacement.
 
redcucumber said:
Yep. Price will go up if anything, and they'll have ample time to find a proper replacement.
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Not if Arsenal and Chelsea decide to go elsewhere and nobody else can afford what's been offered. Then Brighton are left with a player who not only doesn't want to be there but has also pissed off the fans.

It's super shitty timing for Brighton, absolutely.
 
Most of us would go on strike too if our employer holds us back from a multiple times salary increase while they get to pocket tens of millions in profit. They should at the very least match whatever salary the other club is offering if they wish to delay the transfer by 6months. Then you factor in the better facilities, team-mates, perks etc.
 
duffer said:
Not if Arsenal and Chelsea decide to go elsewhere and nobody else can afford what's been offered. Then Brighton are left with a player who not only doesn't want to be there but has also pissed off the fans.

It's super shitty timing for Brighton, absolutely.
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I think the timing is the only issue for me. Overall, I don't really think it's that bad he wants to leave or Arsenal\Chelsea making offers.
 
Players shouldn’t be allowed to leave 6 months into signing for a club.

Imagine Real Madrid bullied us and took Martinez off us in January with a crazy bid.
The tone from people in here would be very different.
 
If I was Brighton I'd stick to my guns and don't sell him. If they sneak a EL place this season, that would do amazing things for the stature and standing of the club.
 
Renegade said:
Players shouldn’t be allowed to leave 6 months into signing for a club.

Imagine Real Madrid bullied us and took Martinez off us in January with a crazy bud.
The tone from people in here would be very different.
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He didn't, he joined last Jan.

It's still a job at the end of the day, you can't force someone to stay somewhere and you shouldn't be able to as well.
 
Lash said:
He didn't, he joined last Jan.

It's still a job at the end of the day, you can't force someone to stay somewhere and you shouldn't be able to as well.
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Wrong! Brighton signed him two years ago. He is going to Arsenal for sure in a few days.
We have all seen this happen so many times and it has that Antony vibe.
 
Do feel sorry for Brighton especially this season.

1) Cucerella forced a move (although in hindsight they made £63m and he’s been rubbish so well done him)

2) Chelsea poached their manager and key staff members after the season started and window shut.

3) Trossard forced a move and stopped playing for the team a month ago.

4) Now Caceido appears to be doing the same.

Really shitty timing again right at the end of the window and within days of losing Trossard.

I think Brighton should agree that the player can leave in the summer and stand firm on this. It’s clear De Zerbi thinks he’s vital to how they play and has publicly said he doesn’t want him to leave as it will have a big impact on the rest of their season.

Back the manager, plan for summer and make an agreement with the player.
 
TheReligion said:
Do feel sorry for Brighton especially this season.

1) Cucerella forced a move (although in hindsight they made £63m and he’s been rubbish so well done him)

2) Chelsea poached their manager and key staff members after the season started and window shut.

3) Trossard forced a move and stopped playing for the team a month ago.

4) Now Caceido appears to be doing the same.

Really shitty timing again right at the end of the window and within days of losing Trossard.

I think Brighton should agree that the player can leave in the summer and stand firm on this. It’s clear De Zerbi thinks he’s vital to how they play and has publicly said he doesn’t want him to leave as it will have a big impact on the rest of their season.

Back the manager, plan for summer and make an agreement with the player.
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It's the natural conclusion to any team that isn't massive in wealth and attraction.

The goal for Brighton will be to find the next players who they can sell for big sums
 
It's a shame Brighton have been pillaged line they have, would have been interesting to see how far they could go if they continued to build and sign the quality of players they have. It was inevitable though, some of these players look really good. Think even Cucurella will come good at Chelsea.
 
I agree that this is terrible for Brighton and from what I know, they did not deserve this. First of all, I wish the player could show the club some respect. Even if they had some kind of understanding that he would be allowed to leave for bigger clubs eventually, he should also consider the club and show some loyalty. I know that the modern game has very little of that, from both clubs and players, but I'd think he wouldn't stand to lose much for waiting for his big move until the summer at the very least. He has a long career in front of him and many years where he can play for a bigger club.

It's also bad for the Premier league that this happens. Clubs like Brighton now, Leicester and Southampton a few years ago, are a major reason why the league holds the interest it does. The competitiveness of the league and the level of interest is greater when clubs can go far by being well run. It is not beyond reason that Brighton and the player could reach some agreement for him to stay for at least this season. I'd love to see Brighton qualify for Europe and occasionally beat some of the big clubs (other than United).
 
people forget how a food chain works, if and when brighton do sell him for 75 million, will they turn around to his previous club, whom they bought him off a year ago and say, with hindsight we didnt pay enough for him and you deserve more than a 20% sell on..most of which will most likely go to his 3rd party owners rather than independiente etc etc...
 
sullydnl said:
Meh. We were hardly complaining when Antony wasn't turning up for training this summer as he tried to force a move through. Nor will we if another of our targets tries to force through a move next time. Nor would fans of any other club, including Brighton.

Brighton should hold firm to scalp Arsenal for as much as they can. But I don't particularly have a problem with Caicedo trying to push things.
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Ajax didn’t lower their valuation though. They stood firm on their price even with his behaviour. Hopefully Brighton absolutely rinse Arsenal and demand £80 million.
 
Garethw said:
Ajax didn’t lower their valuation though. They stood firm on their price even with his behaviour. Hopefully Brighton absolutely rinse Arsenal and demand £80 million.
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Oh yeah, I hope they do too. I'm not saying clubs should cave into that sort of pressure, just that I don't think there's much wrong with players applying it.
 
Garethw said:
Ajax didn’t lower their valuation though. They stood firm on their price even with his behaviour. Hopefully Brighton absolutely rinse Arsenal and demand £80 million.
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Defensive midfielders are easier to find and rarely command the fees that attackers do. Bissouma went for 30m. 60m for Caicedo is pretty much like 100m for Mudryk.
 
ThatsGreat said:
Defensive midfielders are easier to find and rarely command the fees that attackers do. Bissouma went for 30m. 60m for Caicedo is pretty much like 100m for Mudryk.
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Caicedo isn't a DM and has much more to his game and a higher ceiling than Bissouma ever did.
 
Nickosaur said:
This is a rotten approach.

Caicedo's statement talks about the respect for Bloom and the club, but where's the respect in that statement and going on strike today? Does he not see the difficulty he puts the club in by doing this before the window shuts? So what if they get 70/80m, Brighton can't spend that on a replacement now. And they're 6th, their best ever season in the PL, and Europe could be a real possibility. There will still be strong interest (and possibly more choice for potential buyers) in the summer.

@The Boy what are your thoughts on how this will turn out? Personally think (and hope) Brighton stand firm and don't sell in this window.

Part of me hopes Caicedo has been poorly advised by his new agency, but he's still the one who has the final say in the instagram post and not turning up to training. What a fecking shame.
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I agree and think we have to stand firm and agree to let him go in the summer, we all expected that anyway.

Letting him go now sets a bad precedent for anyone who wants to leave, I have a feeling that Trossard’s actions have influenced this situation.

We have a real chance of Europe next season for the first time ever and I would hate to see that thrown away.
 
TheReligion said:
Top defensive midfielders aren’t easy to find at all.
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Crimson King said:
Caicedo isn't a DM and has much more to his game and a higher ceiling than Bissouma ever did.
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We already know that players look better in Brightons system than they actually are. Just think that there's a ceiling that Arsenal will go for, much like Mudryk, after which we will walk away and chase a more attainable option. 60m is actually fair value for him, only problem is that it doesn't give Brighton time to buy a replacement.
 
duffer said:
Not if Arsenal and Chelsea decide to go elsewhere and nobody else can afford what's been offered. Then Brighton are left with a player who not only doesn't want to be there but has also pissed off the fans.

It's super shitty timing for Brighton, absolutely.
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There's three days left of the window. It wouldn't be surprising if one of Arsenal and Chelsea weren't able to get an alternative in. Even if both do, you'd imagine both Liverpool and United will take an interest with new owners and a need for a midfielder of his profile in the summer. I imagine all would be forgotten by February 1st.
 
Glorio said:
Quite late to replace him though - and not easy to find a similar mould. Knowing Brighton though, they probably have a list of 5 players who they can get for 2m that will come in and make you wonder what the noise generated by Caicedo was all about.
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Yeah, but does it really matter to them if they are able to replace him in Jan?

They won’t challenge for top 4 nor will they get pulled into relegation battle - with or without him. So if they get a cool 100 mil, why not take it rather than keeping a grumpy player?
 
Renegade said:
Players shouldn’t be allowed to leave 6 months into signing for a club.

Imagine Real Madrid bullied us and took Martinez off us in January with a crazy bid.
The tone from people in here would be very different.
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For what reason should players not be allowed to leave six months into signing for a club? Because fans don't agree with it?

Completely ignoring the fact that Caicedo would still be allowed to leave Brighton under such a ruling for a moment, the fundamental reason why player power is the way it is is that players are the most valuable assets a football club owns. Agents were the catalyst for the shift but their essential role has been to facilitate the realisation among footballers of their value to their teams, and make a lot of money doing so.

The fact that player power isn't equivalent for all players is all that's needed to prove my point. Tom Heaton or Phil Jones deciding not to turn up for training wouldn't make nearly the impact that, say, Bruno Fernandes doing it would for the simple and obvious reason that neither of them are nearly as valuable as Bruno Fernandes.

Obviously it sucks for Brighton fans that Caicedo is able to screw their team around like this, but I don't see why you should be able to litigate that players should not be allowed to further their careers if given the opportunity to do so just because some fans would be put out by it.
 
ThatsGreat said:
We already know that players look better in Brightons system than they actually are. Just think that there's a ceiling that Arsenal will go for, much like Mudryk, after which we will walk away and chase a more attainable option. 60m is actually fair value for him, only problem is that it doesn't give Brighton time to buy a replacement.
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For me it's not fair value considering they would have three days to replace him, similar to us with Antony in my opinion.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
When Antony did this he wasn’t a little cnut though was he.
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I don't imagine this is a very popular opinion but I don't think any player is necessarily a "cnut" for doing this.

If missing a few training sessions and annoying some fans is what it takes to earn five times your current salary at a better employer, why would you not do if?
 
ThatsGreat said:
We already know that players look better in Brightons system than they actually are. Just think that there's a ceiling that Arsenal will go for, much like Mudryk, after which we will walk away and chase a more attainable option. 60m is actually fair value for him, only problem is that it doesn't give Brighton time to buy a replacement.
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In a world where Enzo Fernandez is only attainable for 120m, Caicedo is worth far more than 60m.
 
Doing this in January when you know all the same clubs will be back in for you in the summer is pure rotten behaviour, no justifying it.

Glad we wont be signing him.
 
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