Do you support Chelsea these days?
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ETH should prioritise him in my opinion. Maybe it was a smokescreen though
Let Chelsea think they can sign him so they will give us Mount. Once we get Mount, steal Caicedo from under their noses.
No thank you.
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There’s a real irony to this - and subsequent - post(s) that shouldn’t go without saying.
I'm sure you don't. I don't imagine anyone with a good level of competence would see it the same though.
You said I'm in cuckoo land for suggesting to play Mainoo as an 8, when that's his natural position. Good one.
As for Amad, Tony Mowbray had this to say about him:
I'd like to think Mowbray has a good level of competence. As I originally said, with two of the best defensive midfielders behind either of them, I think it would've worked well.
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This thread is wild, but of all the wild takes here, the prize goes to @OverratedOpinion saying Bissouma went to a Conte side that was "looking to dominate the ball" 
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.I didn't say that at all, that was your assumption because rather than ask, it's easier for you to fill in the blanks yourself. Good one.
I said you were in cuckoo land for suggesting that we play a kid as an 8 when we have ambitions of competing for the league and for suggesting another very young, attacking and not so well built lad who is off the back of a single good championship season also play there.
You're absolutely welcome to think it but I'm equally within my right to think it's a terrible idea and we won't see it happen, for good reason.
I'm sure Mainoo will get some minutes, if not on loan, but to factor him in at this point is pretty pointless. I'll happily eat my words if, by the end of the season, he's hit 20+ appearances in games of any sort of significance. As for Amad, I don't expect Ten Hag to be using him as any sort of answer in the 8. I'm sure he's able to do some sort of a job in that sort of role in certain circumstances, teams and leagues but for Manchester United in the Premier League? Absolutely not a chance.
As I said, I think it's a crazy suggestion but feel free to tag me and gloat if Ten Hag goes with it and has any degree of success. I won't be holding my breath though.
Garnacho is a level above most talents at his age. Look at how sparingly he was used and that's in a position we had some issues in as well as historically being far more forgiving for young players to get some time in. Mainoo will need a similar season at least before he is worth considering as any sort of consistent stand in as 'the 8'. Most people calling for youth players to play have seen less than an hour of YouTube clips in total. Maybe you go and watch him at the sports village every time he plays but I'm going to guess your opinion is based more on hype and optimism than an analytical, objective view following extensive time watching him and understanding what he would bring to Ten Hag's system.
Locatelli can play both nr.6 and yes the Iniesta role. But clearly Locatelli is not the specific Iniesta type of nr.8 role, the LCM role.
Locatelli is been using as a nr.6 at Juventus because Rabiot is more a natural LCM and box to box player.
There some types of LCM role. One right foot like Iniesta. Lighter version like Gundogan and the a left foot LCM like David Silva or Phil Foden.
And when you mentioned Iniesta. It's about the skill on the ball, which Locatelli is clearly better than Rice and Caicedo. Rice and Caicedo is two all round nr.6. While Locatelli has the ball skill, really high. But not on Iniesta ball skill level.
Iniesta is a world class right foot LCM. And since Locatelli doesn't has that top level ball skill like Iniesta. Iniesta is a GOAT as LCM player and it will take decades before a new LCM that will reach Iniesta ball skill level. It is Iniesta close control and in small area. Iniesta is so quick, both in his heads and feets. Iniesta will always get away from opponent players.
So i believe Locatelli will do a good job as LCM too. But United and Ten Hag just bought Mason Mount. And i predict Mount will be most use as a LCM at United. Maybe can see Mount as nr.10 and Bruno on right. If Antony is out of injured or doesn't hit the top level as a RW.
But example of a line up with Mount and Locatelli in 433/451 formation:
Bruno/Eriksen/McTom - Casemiro/Kobbie Mainoo/Locatelli - Mount/Locatelli/Fred
In a 4231 formation:
Antony/Bruno/Sancho - Eriksen/Locatelli - Casemiro/McTom/Fred - Rashford/Garnacho +
CAM/nr.10 : Bruno/Mount
CF options : Martial/Rashford and the new Richarlison look a like boy from Colombia who just sign new contract with United
In short and sum up : Manuel Locatelli has both of Casemiro and Eriksen in him, but he doesn't has the top level/world class level of ball skill like Iniesta. He can do Casemiro role as ball winner and has the Eriksen creative. Combine Casemiro and Eriksen in one then you get Locatelli.
Locatelli is more than a deep laying aggresive ball winner. Mobile and with young legs. Locatelli's ball skills is really high.
Watch Locatelli video clips on youtube closely. Locatelli's ball skills will not show on the stats. You get to watch closely. To see how good he is on the ball.
Locatelli is aggresive and dirty, but still really elegance and really good on the ball.
With the theoretical context that Casemiro and Caicedo would be the support behind him, Amad has all the qualities to play as the 8/10 for us, in the Premier League. He’s one of the best players we have in possession, like Mowbray said he very rarely loses possession, and is a very gifted passer which is what this side needs. With Amad and Eriksen ahead of him in selection, Mainoo could be also used as the 8, with the guaranteed defensive solidarity behind, to help him develop like what’s happened with Garnacho this season.
I take it this means they have given up on Colwill, which means talks should go smoother now that they’re not still trying to include him in the Caicedo negotiations.
Or Chelsea have pissed them off too much and Brighton will offer a cut price deal with United to spite you…?
Bassey?! Wasn't he terrible at Ajax last season? I know the whole team struggled, but sounds like he was really exposed.
amadeus is a chelsea fan in disguiseOr Chelsea have pissed them off too much and Brighton will offer a cut price deal with United to spite you…?
Nah they love us, we gave them 62M for Cucurella and they immediately improved on the position for 1/4 of the price. We also gave 20M for Potter and his staff and they immediately improved in that area too. Now we're offering 80M for a guy they signed for less than 1M. We're their cash cow.
No idea, haven't followed him at Ajax but he was very highly rated at Rangers.
Colwill wants to leave Chelsea and join Brighton, and he has not renewed his contract at Chelsea.Or Chelsea have pissed them off too much and Brighton will offer a cut price deal with United to spite you…?
What are you basing this on? That he didn't sign the contract extension he received last Friday?
Annoying that Chelsea are getting a player everyone seems to rate so highly. We need players other than one ageing Casmeiro in the buildup phase.
That's not how the song goes.
Since they met this special person. They can't get him off their minds. He's one of a kind.
We should offer McT since they consider him as a replacement
why should he prioritise him if we have Casemiro?
He’d be an excellent partner for Casemiro in competitive games, plus short term cover long term replacement.
but we have two big holes in the squad to prioritise before that
we surely can't buy a keeper, striker, Mount and Caicedo
Yeah they are top priorities
Yep true, as good a summer that'd be. A deep midfielder should be priority but with £55-60 million spent on Mount it'll have to be a tight budget purchase instead.
I see deep midfielder being on the priority list in January IF we actually get ownership sorted
if ETH wants to play two defensive midfielders, yeah. But it seems he doesn't, hence going for Mount first.
True,however we still need cover for Casa
And even if you could, it's very debateable whether you should.
There are three midfield slots in our team and they will currently be filled by three players who expect to start week in week out, under a manager notorious for not rotating much. And behind them you have Eriksen, who started pretty much every game when fit this season and isn't going to suddenly stop playing altogether.
I would question the value of adding another massive money midfield signing who'll expect to start most games on top of that. Versus signing a different profile midfielder with more realistic gametime expectations and diverting resources somewhere more useful than having a strong bench. It's not like we don't have other positions we might like to strengthen in the starting eleven beyond those four, as we not only play one of Dalot and AWB every single game but also likely rely on them to invert and support midfield. I'd happily take a cheap backup to Casemiro and new RB over spending big on Caicedo.
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I agree but I don't see how its realistic to spend 75 million on it
He's not good partner for Casemiro. They would have the same role.
They're both all rounded enough to play as an 8, it would be a very gifted double pivot. They would be able to take turns as the 6 and 8 with ease.
That post was before Mount was in the bag
Caicedo could've covered both, as a RB advancing into defensive midfield like he did for Brighton and against us with success last season.
Possible combinations -
Rashford
Garnacho Bruno Amad/Eriksen Antony
Casemiro Caicedo
Shaw Varane Martinez
Garnacho Rashford Antony/Amad
Bruno Eriksen/Mainoo
Caicedo
Shaw Varane Martinez Dalot/AWB
Garnacho Rashford Antony/Amad
Bruno
Casemiro Caicedo
Shaw Varane Martinez Dalot/AWB
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