Mo Salah

padr81 said:
The idea "Ah he didn't do it in this one particular game" despite the season he's having is mental. Messi had tons of big games where he drew a blank and Barca got nowhere near the CL, same for Ronnie at multiple clubs. The idea that any player in history has delivered in every single competitive game they've played is rubbish.

For example Messi didn't deliver vs Chelsea in the 11/12 CL at Chelsea, the result that cost Barca the CL. Nobody would say "Ah yeah he got 105 goal contributions but didn't deliver at the Bridge so feck him".
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Messi has the silks. Ru'ud/Salah/Haaland don't
 
He is having a fantastic season, but 9 penalties in the league alone takes a bit of the gloss off those stats. Still fantastic though.
 
Maluco said:
He is having a fantastic season, but 9 penalties in the league alone takes a bit of the gloss off those stats. Still fantastic though.
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It’s a bit absurd how many penalties they get. Plus it’s never been easier to rack up those sort of numbers. Still impressive though, agreed.
 
Probably depends on CL performances and who wins LaLiga but he has a good shout for Balon d’Or. I’d rather it be Vini Jr., Mbappe, Raphina, or Yamal.
 
There's still a small chance he beats the PL records for both scoring and assisting in the same season. Which would be insane.
 
SilentWitness said:
Not really. You still have to score penalties.
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And if you’re any old pro footballer, and just smash the ball as hard as you can in the general direction of the goal you’ll score lots. It’s clearly a different stat if it’s the penalty taker.
 
Josh 76 said:
The standard of the PL is shocking. He would never get these numbers back in that day.
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Consensus is it’s the deepest quality PL ever with strong sides emerging amongst the middle class. I disagree with your assessment.
 
Maluco said:
He is having a fantastic season, but 9 penalties in the league alone takes a bit of the gloss off those stats. Still fantastic though.
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I don't think it does. Messi scored 10 league penalties in 2011/12. Ronaldo scored 12 league penalties in 2011/12. If you watch him it's clear he's not just a pen merchant and it's shown from the amount of assists he makes.
 
SilentWitness said:
Not really. You still have to score penalties.
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Nah, not for me Jeff. Penalty is a superb free chance on a plate and inflates stats. Most of the starting players can score a penalty.

If he were to finish 3-4 ahead of Andy Cole, but have 12 penalties, Cole is much more impressive.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
I don't think it does. Messi scored 10 league penalties in 2011/12. Ronaldo scored 12 league penalties in 2011/12. If you watch him it's clear he's not just a pen merchant and it's shown from the amount of assists he makes.
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As I said, it just takes the gloss off a little. Both those players are two of the best of all time, but their penalties still inflate their stats. Most footballers would score most of their penalties. It’s just they have the luck of taking them where others didn’t.

If a striker finishes 4-5 goals behind a player who scored 12 penalties that season, the striker had the better season.

Salah has been excellent this season, as I said, it just takes the gloss off those numbers a little bit, having so many penalties.
 
Amar__ said:
On RAWK?
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I listen to podcasts - Weekly, Totally, Ramble etc. None of them Liverpool related.

I mean, we have some very strong teams this season that weren’t around before now. Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa, Newcastle, Forest and Fulham. All capable of beating big teams. To say this is a weak league just seems a bit sour. It’s obviously a strong league.
 
Maluco said:
Nah, not for me Jeff. Penalty is a superb free chance on a plate and inflates stats. Most of the starting players can score a penalty.

If he were to finish 3-4 ahead of Andy Cole, but have 12 penalties, Cole is much more impressive.
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In 120 less appearances than Cole....

I think Cole is very underrated but on top of that Salah will probably surpass Gerrard and Bergkamp on assists too
 
Maluco said:
Nah, not for me Jeff. Penalty is a superb free chance on a plate and inflates stats. Most of the starting players can score a penalty.

If he were to finish 3-4 ahead of Andy Cole, but have 12 penalties, Cole is much more impressive.
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Then I'm sure you'll be remembering that the Cole and Shearer seasons were 42 games too.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
I think Cole is very underrated but Salah will probably surpass Gerrard and Bergkamp on assists too.
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Yeah, as I said, he is excellent. The most consistent attacker of all time in the Prem era. The goal tally just loses a bit of the gloss from so many penalties.

His season has still been fantastic and the assist number is very impressive.
 
the league is strong when some other, mostly United related stuff have to be justified. it's piss poor when non-Utd player is scoring for fun.
 
SilentWitness said:
Then I'm sure you'll be remembering that the Cole and Shearer seasons were 42 games too.
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Of course! That doesn’t change the fact that penalties inflate attackers numbers.

He started 40 of those games, imagine if if had had 9 penalties on top of those goals?
 
Maluco said:
Of course! That doesn’t change the fact that penalties inflate attackers numbers.

He started 40 of those games, imagine if if had had 9 penalties on top of those goals?
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More often than not, the penalty taker is someone contributing a lot of goals and assists anyway so I don't really see it as a - remove penalties and it's not as impressive - thing with Salah. They're doing that job because they're your best chance of scoring.
 
SilentWitness said:
More often than not, the penalty taker is someone contributing a lot of goals and assists anyway so I don't really see it as a - remove penalties and it's not as impressive - thing with Salah. They're doing that job because they're your best chance of scoring.
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But it really does unfairly inflate numbers, always more impressive without pens.
 
People are really struggling to give an all time great his dues, aren’t they.

We’re probably not far from hearing about how great Rashford would have been if he was given more Pens.
 
SilentWitness said:
Maybe they should be better players and goalscorers then.
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That doesn't make sense, it's still an unfair position. If you compare players based on goals, one player takes pens and the other doesn't, that by definition an unfair situation. An inaccurate comparison.
 
Hammondo said:
That doesn't make sense, it's still an unfair position. If you compare players based on goals, one player takes pens and the other doesn't, that by definition an unfair situation. An inaccurate comparison.
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I was being a bit tongue in cheek.

I just don't think it's an unfair metric. Penalties are part of football. Are we going to start breaking it down and saying that if a player scores a tap in then it doesn't count as a goal and if a player gets an assist that's them passing the ball before a player scores an unbelievable goal then it's not a real assist? You could argue yes for the latter but we know that football doesn't work like that when people churn out these stats. They don't go through every single goal and assist that a player has when they are looking at records. They just look at the number.
 
SilentWitness said:
I was being a bit tongue in cheek.

I just don't think it's an unfair metric. Penalties are part of football. Are we going to start breaking it down and saying that if a player scores a tap in then it doesn't count as a goal and if a player gets an assist that's them passing the ball before a player scores an unbelievable goal then it's not a real assist? You could argue yes for the latter but we know that football doesn't work like that when people churn out these stats. They don't go through every single goal and assist that a player has when they are looking at records. They just look at the number.
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But to a certain extent they are available to all attackers though in a way pens are not.

Is it not far more accurate to compare attackers without pens.
 
Hammondo said:
But to a certain extent they are available to all attackers though in a way pens are not.

Is it not far more accurate to compare attackers without pens.
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And penalty takers are chosen because they have the highest chance of scoring them. They're not unmissable.
 
SilentWitness said:
And penalty takers are chosen because they have the highest chance of scoring them. They're not unmissable.
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2 players for different teams,
Player A and player B.

Player A takes pens.

Player B doesn't, but scores and assists more without pens. Also player B is a better pen taker than player A.

How is it at all accurate to compare goals with pens?
 
It’s weird to me how controversial of a Ballon d’Or shout Salah seems to be with some (the man with 44 G/A in a PL season with 10 games to go!) when Rodri won the bloody thing last year!

Messi and Ronaldo, (and even Neymar I guess) have gone. There’s not going to be one absolute juggernaut of a player who is head and shoulders better than everybody else now. It’s just which of the handful of world class players in football currently is slightly playing better than everyone else.
 
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