Mo Salah

[antohan]

So how does that make Suarez 13/14 season better exactly?

Suarez 31+12 in 33 games (1.3 goal contributions per game / per 69 mins)
Salah 25+17 in 28 games so far (1.5 goal contributions per game / per 59 mins)

You are contradicting yourself saying numbers give you a strong idea, quoting the numbers, yet they show Salah is more productive.

He listed several seasons and that's the worst of the lot. In any case, he was saying better, not more productive.

I was wondering whether the quality of teammates was relevant for a moment there. I remember that Liverpool side being nothing special but, frankly, this one isn't either. He isn't exactly carrying them because they had momentum going for them, but yeah, it's like he is having an indian summer season permeating all around him.

Can't stand the fecker but still can't deny he is one of very few players I actually hmmm errr feck that, I don't enjoy watching him, not viscerally, but hmmmm errr I can intellectually appreciate how he makes winning at football look so simple and effortless.

Thundercnut

 

[Kwabs]

He’s acclaimed by the football world. He’s rightly seen as a great. But he’s teetering towards Henry-levels so we’ll pretend he’s just efficient.

The soothing balm of mental gymnastics. Lovely.

Let me ask you this question. Do you think that Mo Salah is one of the greatest players of all time? If not, why not?

 

[Kwabs]

True. I think that Suarez is the better overall player but Salah is playing at a higher level than Suarez ever did during his Premier League days.

Disagree.

 

[Guy Incognito]

In numbers, yes. Not in quality.

Henry was a breath of fresh air and walked so players like Salah could run.

Salah's having a monster season but I think Van Dijk is too. This is the title I felt that Klopp could squeeze out of them.

 

[PickledRed]

Let me ask you this question. Do you think that Mo Salah is one of the greatest players of all time? If not, why not?

He’s a current player burdened by tribalism, bias and recency. He’s not being assessed with the benefit of sepia-filtered nostalgia where failings and faults are long forgotten but highlight reels only exemplify the positive and furnish the legend.

In short, ask this in 20 years otherwise it’s problematic territory.

 

[Lay]

Is Salah commercial enough to be seen as an all time great? Henry had the va va voom advert that brought him to the non football watchers. Where's Salah's commercial?

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Disagree.

Well, you're allowed to disagree. But a lot of people feel that way.

 

[Cwall22]

Is Salah commercial enough to be seen as an all time great? Henry had the va va voom advert that brought him to the non football watchers. Where's Salah's commercial?

Didnt he do an advert for a Turkish Hairline?

 

[Kwabs]

He’s a current player burdened by tribalism, bias and recency. He’s not being assessed with the benefit of sepia-filtered nostalgia where failings and faults are long forgotten but highlight reels only exemplify the positive and furnish the legend.

In short, ask this in 20 years otherwise it’s problematic territory.

I get your point, but there's several players that I watched that l knew were among the greatest ever whilst I was watching them. No nostalgia needed. Obviously the likes of Messi and Maradona, but also Zidane, Ronaldo, Baggio, Romario, etc. If you look at Salah and you think that the answer to my question is 'no', then the reason that the answer is 'no' is the key to why others may not rate him to the extent that you do.

On the other hand, I accept that his career is still ongoing (though his time left at the top is short), so we will see where he stands in posterity when it is all over.

 

[giorno]

Suarez is most certainly not the third best player of this century, that’s insane.

Yeah, can't have him over Dinho, Zizou or R9

Still, he's probably the best after those guys. Guy won a Copa America almost single-handedly even before going nuts at club level

 

[DennisReynolds]

Well, you're allowed to disagree. But a lot of people feel that way.

Including me and at this point, most Liverpool fans who watched (almost) every game of the two seasons.

 

[JP77]

Yeah, can't have him over Dinho, Zizou or R9

Still, he's probably the best after those guys. Guy won a Copa America almost single-handedly even before going nuts at club level

I mean he’s not even top 20 of this century, potentially more than that actually. Very good player but there’s been a lot of top players in that period.

 

[B20]

I mean he’s not even top 20 of this century, potentially more than that actually. Very good player but there’s been a lot of top players in that period.

He really is.

He's the only one who ever touched on Ronaldo's level when him and Messi were peaking.

 

[Kwabs]

Well, you're allowed to disagree. But a lot of people feel that way.

I'd be interested to know what Liverpool fans think. To me, Suarez was an absolute force of nature in that one crazy season that he had in particular, just unplayable at times.

 

[Kwabs]

He really is.

He's the only one who ever touched on Ronaldo's level when him and Messi were peaking.

He's not, and the second thing you said is also false. Rooney, Suarez and Neymar have been closest to those two at their best (though not that close).

Edit: Thanks to @DJ Jeff , I've realised that you weren't talking about Salah. Suarez definitely is top 20 this century (it's nuts to think that he's not, he's scored around 600 career goals, FFS) and he and a couple of others were closest to the big 2 when they were at their best. But still some way off.

 

[DJ Jeff]

He really is.

He's the only one who ever touched on Ronaldo's level when him and Messi were peaking.

No he didn't, great as he is and was in the only season where he put up their kind of numbers (and it was the low end of their peak numbers) he won nothing. Suarez and arguably Neymar that one season are the only guys who can say they got near the level of the big two while they were playing, and I'd still say they really didn't get that close at all. He's probably the best player in the world now but he was never close to Messi and Ronaldo while they were at their peak.

edit: I thought this was about Salah, disregard. Suarez was great at his peak but I'd still say not near the two of them!

 

[JP77]

He really is.

He's the only one who ever touched on Ronaldo's level when him and Messi were peaking.

Don’t agree at all and don’t believe he’s ever touched the level of those two, absolutely no chance. I wouldn’t have him in the top 10 potentially of attacking players of this century, so certainly not a top 20 of overall players. There’s been some absolute legends over the last 25 years. He was a very very good player but I really don’t place him in there with the absolute best personally and I also rate Salah above him.

 

[Gio]

Yeah, can't have him over Dinho, Zizou or R9

Still, he's probably the best after those guys. Guy won a Copa America almost single-handedly even before going nuts at club level

Yes, although this century I don't see the Ronaldo v2 at Real Madrid as better than Suarez.

 

[giorno]

Yes, although this century I don't see the Ronaldo v2 at Real Madrid as better than Suarez.

I do but it might be nostalgia talking. I still think post WC until 2004 he was the best player in the world, if much diminished

Incidentally, I think Ronaldo might be the main reason I felt about Henry the way @rimaldo feels about Salah

 

[Fobal]

Would anyone really rather watch Torres over Salah? I've always found the former rather overrated, overly reliant on pace, and once that was gone, he was done as a top player, short peak too.

This just sounds like nostalgia to me.

Absolutely not, it feels even extremely odd to me

 

[Fobal]

I do but it might be nostalgia talking. I still think post WC until 2004 he was the best player in the world, if much diminished

Incidentally, I think Ronaldo might be the main reason I felt about Henry the way @rimaldo feels about Salah

That was a classic, sthg similar (well not that similar) happened later with Benzema the new R9.

The Leagues in those days played their part in such sensations, whenever we liked it, were wrong/fair/ or right.

In the same way nowadays fans put excessive weight on "being cut for the old mighty EPL"; Henry not doing it in Serie A, plus his not that great Finals records or even in plain huge matches (many don't even know that game against Madrid where Titi was stellar) played their part, were notions that fans outside England held against Titi.

Also Serie A and La Liga being witnesses of players like Alfredo, Johan, Platini, Zico, Maradona, Zidane...etc etc and such always created a lesser Aura for those doing their thing in the Islands (bar the old days of Stanley and later Bobby and co).

There was an unfair correlation on these late years, similar to the "Lego version meme", like Arteta to Guardiola, Zola to Diego, Henry to R9, Bergkamp to Van Basten, in this case Titi it's a Tothem for the EPL and worse Salah plays for Pool, so some version inner EPL version of that is going on too when it comes to give Mo proper credit. Anyway, we fans, are hardly fair in this prefferences, yet we feel them, it's just our taste. It's like right in this thread I can't get how can someone preffer even merely on style Torres to Salah

 

[giorno]

The Leagues in those days played their part in such sensations, whenever we liked it, were wrong/fair/ or right.

In the same way nowadays fans put excessive weight on "being cut for the old mighty EPL"; Henry not doing it in Serie A, plus his not that great Finals records or even in plain huge matches

It's less that, and more, well, Ronaldo made me question what the feck I was seeing

Henry was really fast

 

[renatosanches85]

I still kinda feel someone like Suarez 13/14 was better for some reason

The stats don’t lie dawg

 

[renatosanches85]

Slot needs a lot of credit for Salahs form this season, he didn’t just walk into Liverpool and say do as you like lads. It’s like he has structured the team to give Salah more freedom, I feel Klopp somewhat hamstrung Salah with his tactics. Slot’s system allows him to do what he does best.

 

[PickledRed]

But he doesn’t get me off my seat.

Also…

 

[Fobal]

It's less that, and more, well, Ronaldo made me question what the feck I was seeing

Henry was really fast

So it's closer to the Lego version...juts kiddin

Yeah R9 was really really sthg. also so likeable the mofo.

PD: yet at the same time there is some sort of indulgance combine with over the top appreciation for R9 and other 90's gems that soemtimes bothers me quite a bit.

 

[rimaldo]

But he doesn’t get me off my seat.

Also…

yeah, he’s really grinding chris wood’s face in it.

 

[Fobal]

Slot needs a lot of credit for Salahs form this season, he didn’t just walk into Liverpool and say do as you like lads. It’s like he has structured the team to give Salah more freedom, I feel Klopp somewhat hamstrung Salah with his tactics. Slot’s system allows him to do what he does best.

Yes, he now has to defende less, meaning also to defend better and he receives more (and better) balls to fvck it up.

There are also other elements:

. He is in his peak maturity regarding how to manage pression, expetancy, he is enjoying his life.
. His mates upfront aren't as clever and decisive as the ones he had before, so he has do more stuff (without being sellfish at all) on his own giving more chances to rank up his own numbers

 

[Pascal Quiff]

yeah, he’s really grinding chris wood’s face in it.

Getting Henry vs Andy Johnson vibes from this

Or was it that season that he pipped James Beattie into second place?

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

He really is.

He's the only one who ever touched on Ronaldo's level when him and Messi were peaking.

Suarez reached 80 goal contributions in 2016 if I'm not mistaken. Ronaldo's career high is 84. Given Suarez's arguably superior all round play, it's a wash.

Messi reached 114 (91 goals and 23 assist) in 2012 and has multiple seasons with over 90 goal contributions in a calender year. Suarez never really touched Messi's peak level (and to be fair, nobody did).