That's not true but then the argument will end up in circles which has already clogged up KdB's thread.
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That's not true but then the argument will end up in circles which has already clogged up KdB's thread.
The thing with Mourinho is that he builds a perfect engine with the components he needs, an engine capable of winning the PL. He knows exactly what is needed to complete the puzzle, so he might turn down better pieces than the ones he has at that moment because they don't fit his system. He added Fabregas and Costa to that chelsea side and these were just the players he needed to win the title. He did the same thing while building his Inter team, got rid of players who couldn't fit his vision and brought in ones that he knew he could extract the best out of.
Compare that to Arsenal which, due to the dictates of budget or otherwise, are very opportunistic with their purchases, they already had Cazorla when they got Ozil just because he became available. Wenger later retrofitted Cazorla to a CM and made another functional team. Mourinho never did this force fitting in his earlier terms, he was always attempting to build the perfect picture.
This is the first time it seems that he's had some signings which he made before he had a proper plan about what to do with them. Pogba was brought first and then other players were brought in to try and make him perform better. Even the Sanchez transfer was a little opportunistic, Martial and Rashford were already covering the LW/Striker positions, ideally Utd could've done better with an elite RW. It'll test Mourinho to be able to make a coherent whole from the parts he's been given. If he's able to win big with this team, it'll be his biggest achievement yet, imo.
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If Pep was in Mou's shoes, he'd definitely use Salah and KDB their youth players in his first team. He'd never attempt to just buy another expensive players to fill in the squad.
Or so I've been told.
Or so I've been told.
At the point KDB and Salah were sold, Chelsea had better players. It's not like their current clubs bought them from Chelsea and turn them into gems b
I don't understand, as United fans, why should we really care about Jose ruining Salah and KDB career at Chelsea ? Even though replies on these 2 cases already known, and I can understand the criticism from Chelsea fans or neutrals, but as United fans as long as he doesn't ruin one of our young players career here I give feck all about him selling Salah and KDB, in fact it's great that he ruined their Chelsea career, on the contrary I wished he would have destroyed Hazard's career there as well, would have been better!
Another goal and assist today.
Salah and Firmino aren’t far off of what Suarez and Sturridge managed in 13/14, although the latter had fewer games to do it in.
Salah and Firmino have 49 so far, Sturridge and Suarez finished on 55.
Salah and Firmino have 49 so far, Sturridge and Suarez finished on 55.
yes haha.Headie One
29 goals and 7 assists now in 35 games..
Firmino is on 20 goals and 11 assists..
Coutinho really should have just stayed 6 more months to see if we had a chance at winning the CL with our attack
Firmino is on 20 goals and 11 assists..
Coutinho really should have just stayed 6 more months to see if we had a chance at winning the CL with our attack
It's your defence and midfield (and goalkeeper) which will stop you
Usually I say wait for a second season and similar performances to anoint him but he's just too good that it's pointless. Has there ever been a player coming the Italian League, finding it so easy and comfortable in the PL like this guy ?
I find it amazing how there is always a player that steps up his game at Liverpool, just when you think they're stuffed after one of their stars leaves.
Torres, Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho heck even Sturridge looked like a world beater once upon a time. And now Salah. Really hope he leaves but I doubt it: Barca are well stacked and he doesn't really fit the 'Galactico' profile that is adopted by PSG and Real.
Torres, Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho heck even Sturridge looked like a world beater once upon a time. And now Salah. Really hope he leaves but I doubt it: Barca are well stacked and he doesn't really fit the 'Galactico' profile that is adopted by PSG and Real.
29 goals and 7 assists now in 35 games..
Firmino is on 20 goals and 11 assists..
Coutinho really should have just stayed 6 more months to see if we had a chance at winning the CL with our attack
For as good as Liverpool's attack is, PSG, Barcelona and City's are better so Liverpool would have to avoid all of them to simply outscore the opposition all the way to winning the thing
Over the course of a season I agree, but in a cup competition especially vs the "bigger" teams Klopp knows how to make the players play above and beyond...
Also I don't think city's attack was better than Mane-Firmino -Salah-Coutinho imo
On their day Liverpool have a chance against anyone. They've proven that over the last few years. Their style of play just pushes teams out of their comfort zone and makes their players look better due to the collective performance. Worse teams have won the CL, but you obviously wouldn't have them as favourites.
When was the last time Liverpool played Barcelona or PSG? I'd argue Klopp and Liverpool would be in for a rude awakening playing either of those
Last time we played Barca last year we won 4-0
Last time we played Barca last year we won 4-0
That didn't answer my question though did it
I wonder if he'll smash it next season. God knows he'll be mega expensive in fantasy league.
Next season will be a big telling factor on the type of player he'll be. Mané burst onto the scene in his first season, his second hasn't been as good. Will be interesting to see what happens with Salah.
The thing is that Klopp may get you to the final, but you'll inevitably lose judging by his record.
Chances are he won't be in liverpool next season though. Don't underestimate Florentino Perez throwing money around, if he decides to sign a player, money really is no object to him
Of course it was. Look at the numbers, GF and GA
I have never seen such a surprise impact as Mr Salah has had this year. We knew he had improved but he has been unstoppable.
Has there ever been a better first season in the PL than Salahs?
Are Real after him?
His Chelsea tenure wasn't really mindblowing
Aguero scored 30 and won the league in his first season at City, I guess he's a striker and came with a bit more pedigree than Salah did though.
'Inevitably'. FFS.
How many years was it for Ferguson to win the league, let alone the cl?
The tendency to think that the future will inevitably play out past events on here is stupefying.
Mourinho isnt going to replay his past record for yiu anymore than guardiola will inevitably win four titles on the trot. This isn't how life works.
Stupefying? Ha ok.
You're getting a bit touchy about Klopp here.
I'm talking about getting to the final and winning, not finishing as runner up. Youll find that Mourinho and SAF have significantly better records in finals than Klopp.
Klopp: Played 6, won 1. Lost his last 5.
Not sure about SAF but the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and even Van Gaal have an 80% win record in finals, Wenger around 60%.
wonderful player, we need a left sided winger so badly
edit: left footed
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That’s the last thing we need.
sorry meant left footed
Finals are decided in small margins though and sometimes there's only so much a manager can do. It's not his fault we fecked up against City in the League Cup for example, unless you suggest he'd take the penalties instead of our players. Same goes for Sevilla, if we manage a 2-0 lead before they equalize, things could've been very different. Big if's though I know, and in the end only the outcome counts of course, but he got us there in the first place where previous managers have failed before him. Our early exits in the domestic cups this season are disappointing but I wouldn't put it past us to reach the quarters or even semis of the CL this year if the draw is favorable. Finishing in the top four for consecutive seasons has to be regarded as a success for Liverpool as well, that's just how it is after finishing outside of it for so long before he took over bar the freak season with Rodgers.Stupefying? Ha ok.
You're getting a bit touchy about Klopp here.
I'm talking about getting to the final and winning, not finishing as runner up. Youll find that Mourinho and SAF have significantly better records in finals than Klopp.
Klopp: Played 6, won 1. Lost his last 5.
Not sure about SAF but the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and even Van Gaal have an 80% win record in finals, Wenger around 60%.
I agree with the point that his record in the past isn't an indicator for future finals. I don't know by heart but he's probably faced a superior Bayern side in half his finals as well, I guess? I know the CL defeat against them is one of them in (once again) a game he could've won from what I remember. It's only when a manager is continuously outclassed and outwitted in finals for years and years on that it starts to look like a curse or him being inept on big occassions but that's not the case with Klopp imo.
Salah is enjoying his second consecutive brilliant season in a much tougher league, so there are no indicators that he'll slow down next season but of course we can only guess right now. I don't think he's leaving either. Allowing one of our top players to leave once again would be a dumb thing to do next summer, especially when we look only a few players in the right positions away from competing.
Stupefying? Ha ok.
You're getting a bit touchy about Klopp here.
I'm talking about getting to the final and winning, not finishing as runner up. Youll find that Mourinho and SAF have significantly better records in finals than Klopp.
Klopp: Played 6, won 1. Lost his last 5.
Not sure about SAF but the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and even Van Gaal have an 80% win record in finals, Wenger around 60%.
Mourinho and SAF and Pep of course, had and have significantly better teams with significantly more money.
This ia such a lazy point, and incorrect too in many cases. Salah is certainly not finding it tougher, playing on a faster(and probably better) team in a faster league that plays more to his strenghts in general
Btw, Klopp's 6 finals: Bayern(W), Bayern(L), Bayern(L), Wolfsburg(L), City(L), Sevilla(L). The one time he had the better team he won. Third one with bayern, '14 german cup they had a ghost goal thay wasn't given with 0-0 and ended up losing in extra time, with City they lost on penalties, with Sevilla they should have been up 2 or 3 and were denied 2 clear penalties in the first half...
Yea, that's why he couldn't score like this in Serie A. The league is kick and rush and the defending is pathetic which is why he finds it much easier to score here than he ever did in Italy and he still misses the most clear cut chances in the league like he did in Roma.
The toughest league in history where Pep Guardiola is walking it with 16 points gap
How come Dzeko scored more in Italy than he ever did in England? Why are the only other two players with 20+ goals in the PL two of the best strikers in the world if it’s so easy to score at the moment? Find me another example of a player that had such an impact and goal/assists return in his first season in England (and yes I disregard his Chelsea stint).Yea, that's why he couldn't score like this in Serie A. The league is kick and rush and the defending is pathetic which is why he finds it much easier to score here than he ever did in Italy and he still misses the most clear cut chances in the league like he did in Roma.
The toughest league in history where Pep Guardiola is walking it with 16 points gap
Serie A is a joke apart from Juve and Napoli, and I’m not even one of those people that rates the Premier League above all other leagues.