He generally tails off in 2nd half of the season, given he is playing every game this season with not much breather I hope it is the case again. They'll look a very different team without him.
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That depends. Though I do think he'd score more than Salah, in the same role for the same caliber of team
That's happened only a couple of times and only after AFCON. That isn't on this year so barring injury I can't see him dropping off too much.
According to AI there were 2.60 goals per game for Henry‘s spell at Arsenal and 2.75 for Salah‘s time at Liverpool. Hardly earth shattering differences.
It’s time to admit Salah is a world class player. I never used to rate him since he played for Pool but you can’t deny it anymore.
Seems like Bale seems to get overrated as time goes on.
Madness to compare Salah with him.
Seems like Bale seems to get overrated as time goes on.
Madness to compare Salah with him.
Its not being coached out. There simply isn't enough individually gifted players. Kids rather play PS5 at home, teens prefering social media and it shows over the talents coming up. Nobody going to tell messi to stop running past 6 men. Nobody going to instruct shearer stop those towering powering headers, nobody going to tell ronaldo to stop slotting in 18 free kicks every season. There is not one coach who will prefer a modern day fullback against a Matt le Tissier. I believe the lack of individual talents is an adaptive compensation for lack of super talents coming thru. Sad really.
People are seemingly oblivious to the fact that Salah works his socks off in every game to try and win the ball back for the team,coming very deep alot of the time.
Whereas Henry, Ronaldo and countless other top attackers from past eras generally just stay high and ask for the ball after their team mates have won it back.It is so much easier to score and create when you perserve your energy like that,and even more so when you are generally just staying in the attacking third of the pitch.
With this in mind,his goalscoring and goal creating stats are more remarkable.
Where have you been?
He's actually decent. Lad could make a good career yet
SALAH ANNOUNCED!!!
He was probably reading page 1, like me.
This thread belongs in the classic forum @Niall Not to shame those comparing Salah to Theo Walcott and Jermaine Pennant, but as a reminder to anyone running down young players. He wasn't even that young at 24.
That may be true of some players, but Jack Grealish was a maverick and a joy to watch at Villa. He would nutmeg one player, dribble past another, then take an audacious shot. Whereas now at City he isn't encouraged to dribble past players.
He is encouraged to dribble, it's just the situations he usually receives the ball in are different. He's a great dribbler in transition, when he has lots of space, opponents can't easily double on him, and he's running at a back-pedaling defender with a full head of steam
At City he gets the ball isolated on the wing and has to dribble from a standing start, in much less space, and with opponents ready to send help to his defender. He doesn't dribble as much because most of the time he tries he attracts the second defender, so he's 1vs2 in a phone booth
I posted the top comment years ago. My internet probably caught up with the servers.
I think you just forgot to post it then and it was still stored as a draft. You probably didn't notice it when you were writing the rest of the post.
The Henry comparisons are - to some extent - misdirection from certain folk who have found an avenue to speak of Salah's talents in a more critical light than is warranted. Salah is unquestionably a great footballer and one of the best attacking players we have seen in England over the past decade or so. His relentless goalscoring and general attacking play means that he's entered the debate about all time greats. Much deserved.
However, the classic rival fan thing to do at this juncture is to use an historical player as a point of comparison and as as a means of devaluing the current player's worth. So rather than simply lauding Salah's greatness, we enter a fan-led debate with bias clouding everybody's judgement. We have rival fans given licence to say things like "Henry is well clear" with Salah's talent diminished by comparison. Whether Salah is better than Henry or not is broadly a glib discussion - see the recent Van Dijk chat for similar banality. It's just there to allow rivals to downplay a current great by using the historical comparator as the stick to beat him with. You can even look at how Ronaldo's greatness is sometimes downplayed because he's not Messi.
These debates are hugely flawed, with selective metrics used to 'win' the argument despite it being steeped in an intellectually dishonest and antihistorical conceit. At its core, it's just primary school footy chat - "my player's better than yours!"
The point is, bringing up Henry is only there to downplay Salah. That's it in a nutshell.
In truth, Salah is great now. That's his value. That's his currency. In 10 years time he'll be an historic figure used in similar debates and it'll be just as dull then.
However, the classic rival fan thing to do at this juncture is to use an historical player as a point of comparison and as as a means of devaluing the current player's worth. So rather than simply lauding Salah's greatness, we enter a fan-led debate with bias clouding everybody's judgement. We have rival fans given licence to say things like "Henry is well clear" with Salah's talent diminished by comparison. Whether Salah is better than Henry or not is broadly a glib discussion - see the recent Van Dijk chat for similar banality. It's just there to allow rivals to downplay a current great by using the historical comparator as the stick to beat him with. You can even look at how Ronaldo's greatness is sometimes downplayed because he's not Messi.
These debates are hugely flawed, with selective metrics used to 'win' the argument despite it being steeped in an intellectually dishonest and antihistorical conceit. At its core, it's just primary school footy chat - "my player's better than yours!"
The point is, bringing up Henry is only there to downplay Salah. That's it in a nutshell.
In truth, Salah is great now. That's his value. That's his currency. In 10 years time he'll be an historic figure used in similar debates and it'll be just as dull then.
Must be. Mind you, an old man like me doesn’t understand the technology nowadays.
I agree. It's childish and we all have to watch out for it because, as you said, all it does is detract from the exploits of the player in question.
Salah doesn't need to be Henry, to be an all time great.
I don’t deny Salah is a great player and has achieved great things. I find him precise, deadly, consistently etc, but I don’t find him entertaining in the same way I’ve been entertained by the top top players; young Rooney, prime CR7, prime Henry etc
Yep, this is spot on. He's the definition of a super effective force of nature, but little to no entertainment. Not that Liverpool fans will care as long as he's delivering the goods.
I hate this man but he's also a nice guy
Prime CR7 entertaining but prime Salah boring? What do you consider his prime because with his prime died any flair or creativity and he became a scoring robot.
Henry never entertained me. He played for Arsenal. Same with Salah now but there's no denying each of them was the best in the league for some periods.
As for the Henry comparisons I don't see them as putting him down. Comparisons will be made and if you're going to compare him with someone equal who else but Henry when looking at similar roles?
I don't get excited by Liverpool's top players, either.
Anyone else on here the same?
It's time for you to accept the noughties are over.
What's funny?
Even if it wasn't, today's defenses would make it more difficult.
Have had some reports come up on my newsfeed that he's agreed a 2 year contract extension.
Hoping it's bullshit....
Hoping it's bullshit....
I’m also bored with his goals. Dull. Dull. Dull.
I realise that it is obviously my own bias, but I don't get the 'he's not entertaining' angle. The guy has unreal close control, can beat a man with footwork and his assists are usually up there with the best in any league . Look up his goals against City, Watford, Spurs and Chelsea, plus countless others.....he's not just a speed merchant that drops a shoulder and pops it in the far corner - ironically, my main memory of Henry is how he used to drift in from the left, move into his right foot and stroke it in the far right top corner...obviously I remember that there was more to him that that.
I've seen this pattern many times against good teams. For about an hour, he plays like he won a competition to be there and then suddenly clicks into gear with an incredible assist or a wonder goal. Same for his supposed unreal close control. I've seen him have unreal terrible control for long stretches of a game too.
In terms of productivity, obviously he's worth every penny he gets paid and Liverpool fans rightly workshop him. But for me, though his youtube compilation may be right up there with Henry's or hell, even Messi's, watching him for an entire match as a fan will probably be a frustrating experience.
Do they think he can be improved on?
You have to remember you are on a United forum so there is some bias.
But generally agree, he's quick, skillful, technique excellent and scores some beautiful goals. Although, he does have a tendency to drift in out of games, but that's not so much of a problem if you deliver the goods as he regularly does.
25 (15+10) goal contributions in 16 PL games so far.
32 in 23 in all competitions.
Freak.
32 in 23 in all competitions.
Freak.
About to smash Henry's record for most g+a in a season. 45 (24+21)
First player in PL history to get 10 goals and 10 assists before Christmas. What a player!
One season wonder
Somewhere Henry is cacking himself.
Although he was good today, I have to say he bored me … again.