7 years is a hell of a purple patch
7 years is a hell of a purple patch
Yep a “ second rate player” “ nothing exciting “ first page.Some fun takes on the front page of this thread
Afcon is usually a big reason for this. Happened in 21/22 and again in 23/24. It’s very taxing on a player's body to play an international tournament midway a club season.One thing I'll say, he's done this before. Had an amazing first half of a season then gone off the boil second half. Happened in 21/22 when he was unplayable first half of the season (hat trick at OT, wonder goals vs City and Watford). Then second half he slowed down massively. Mane was the one who picked up.
Some fun takes on the front page of this thread
WowwwwwwHe's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
Assists are the most unimportant stat in football. They don't include the sitters your team mates missHe's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
He's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
On the back of this devastating update, I’ve recategorised Beckham as a bum.Assists are the most unimportant stat in football.
He plays with Nunez. Safe to say that in the “sitters your team mates miss” stat, Salah is an all time great.Assists are the most unimportant stat in football. They don't include the sitters your team mates miss
Stats are funny. He's nowhere near as good as Henry was.He's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
That's hilariousStats are funny. He's nowhere near as good as Henry was.
There's more goals per game in football generally in Salah's era than Henry's.He's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
Doesn't take a genius.That's hilarious
Add KdB and OzilOn the back of this devastating update, I’ve recategorised Beckham as a bum.
There's more goals per game in football generally in Salah's era than Henry's.
Not that that diminishes Salah's achievements. It's just slightly easier to score and assist at the big teams now than it was in the past
Personally i think this is bullsh*t.
Henry was playing at a time when the PL was a very average league and it was consistently United vs Arsenal just as it was Henry vs RVN. Everyone was crap so it was very lopsided & a 2 sided league that is still seen in most leagues to date.
Salah is playing against City, Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Spurs, Aston Villa, Newcastle and so many good teams and obviously Liverpool themselves.
Its the best league in the world & its been much more tough than in the past imo.
You can't think it's harder now surely?Personally i think this is bullsh*t.
Henry was playing at a time when the PL was a very average league and it was consistently United vs Arsenal just as it was Henry vs RVN. Everyone was crap so it was very lopsided & a 2 sided league that is still seen in most leagues to date.
Salah is playing in a league that has City, Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Spurs, Aston Villa, Newcastle and so many good teams and obviously Liverpool themselves which increases the calibre of even more average teams like brighton for example.
Its the best league in the world & its been much more tough than in the past imo.
Henry reached a cult status as one of, if not, the best players in premier league history. But to claim Salah isn't even close is ridiculous. Salah is up there amongst the best ever in the premier league.Stats are funny. He's nowhere near as good as Henry was.
A list of some of the CBs who Henry was up against for multiple seasons:Personally i think this is bullsh*t.
Henry was playing at a time when the PL was a very average league and it was consistently United vs Arsenal just as it was Henry vs RVN. Everyone was crap so it was very lopsided & a 2 sided league that is still seen in most leagues to date.
Salah is playing in a league that has City, Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Spurs, Aston Villa, Newcastle and so many good teams and obviously Liverpool themselves which increases the calibre of even more average teams like brighton for example.
Its the best league in the world & its been much more tough than in the past imo.
A list of some of the CBs who Henry was up against for multiple seasons:
Rio
Terry
Campbell
Carvalho
Stam
Vidic
King
How many PL players can you name that Salah has been up against who are better at defending than the aforementioned players?
Fair points. I agree that individual brilliance is being coached out of players at the expense of team based tactics, which I guess is why I struggle to put any of the current players in Europe on par with the some of the mavericks we saw 15-25 years ago.Thats true, but did Henry have to play against things like teams pressing them & holding on to possession?
For me ever since Guardiola's Barcelona - football turned from an individualistic sport (where central defenders and central attackers were the main focus) to a much more team based organised sport.
I have to agree that individually the players are better (possibly seen more due to lack of team based tactics) but i dont think they played to the tactical level seen today.
You cant do it alone most of the time anymore - and just as much as the attacking output has increased due to more team based cohesion (what the original post was saying) defensively teams are playing much more team based defensive tactics aswell.
There's definitely less legendary defenders in current football but this is arguably seen with less legendary strikers in the modern game aswell and players/tactics like inside forwards which show the shift in tactics in this generation especially again after Guardiola's Barcelona where a cohesive team would out do players balanced much more on their individual ability as seen especially since the CL final we lost.
I didnt really rate Salah before, but after his form at the age of 32 & looking at his goals and stats - he has become a player i think is just a slight tier below the Messi/Ronaldo level & will go down as a legendary player if he can win one more significant trophy for Liverpool.
Said months ago in the Salah vs Bale (I think) thread that Henry was a fairer comparison. Glad the stats back that upHe's now played 370 games for Liverpool, the same as Henry played for Arsenal, and scored 226 goals, the same as Henry scored for Arsenal.
Henry however, only had 93 assists vs Salah's 101 assists.
That's all well and good. It is my opinion that Salah isn't as good as Henry. Clear gap between them.Henry reached a cult status as one of, if not, the best players in premier league history. But to claim Salah isn't even close is ridiculous. Salah is up there amongst the best ever in the premier league.
Only a few teams do that….Thats true, but did Henry have to play against things like teams pressing them & holding on to possession?
For me ever since Guardiola's Barcelona - football turned from an individualistic sport (where central defenders and central attackers were the main focus) to a much more team based organised sport.
I have to agree that individually the players are better (possibly seen more due to lack of team based tactics) but i dont think they played to the tactical level seen today.
You cant do it alone most of the time anymore - and just as much as the attacking output has increased due to more team based cohesion (what the original post was saying) defensively teams are playing much more team based defensive tactics aswell.
There's definitely less legendary defenders in current football but this is arguably seen with less legendary strikers in the modern game aswell and players/tactics like inside forwards which show the shift in tactics in this generation especially again after Guardiola's Barcelona where a cohesive team would out do players balanced much more on their individual ability as seen especially since the CL final we lost.
I didnt really rate Salah before, but after his form at the age of 32 & looking at his goals and stats - he has become a player i think is just a slight tier below the Messi/Ronaldo level & will go down as a legendary player if he can win one more significant trophy for Liverpool.
Who? More bums I assume.Add KdB and Ozil
Iniesta never had a great G/A so I guess he’s a bum too. On to the topic, Salah is no where Henry as a footballer.On the back of this devastating update, I’ve recategorised Beckham as a bum.
Only a few teams do that….
why do people alwaaaaays do this. It’s a couple of teams who play that way successfully. Most teams Salah plays against won’t.
You're right, it's turned into team based organised sport where the whole objective for the top teams is to get their best attackers into advanced positions to score and assist.Thats true, but did Henry have to play against things like teams pressing them & holding on to possession?
For me ever since Guardiola's Barcelona - football turned from an individualistic sport (where central defenders and central attackers were the main focus) to a much more team based organised sport.
I have to agree that individually the players are better (possibly seen more due to lack of team based tactics) but i dont think they played to the tactical level seen today.
You cant do it alone most of the time anymore - and just as much as the attacking output has increased due to more team based cohesion (what the original post was saying) defensively teams are playing much more team based defensive tactics aswell.
There's definitely less legendary defenders in current football but this is arguably seen with less legendary strikers in the modern game aswell and players/tactics like inside forwards which show the shift in tactics in this generation especially again after Guardiola's Barcelona where a cohesive team would out do players balanced much more on their individual ability as seen especially since the CL final we lost.
I didnt really rate Salah before, but after his form at the age of 32 & looking at his goals and stats - he has become a player i think is just a slight tier below the Messi/Ronaldo level & will go down as a legendary player if he can win one more significant trophy for Liverpool.
If Henry played today, much of his flair and what made him Henry would've probably been coached out of him.You're right, it's turned into team based organised sport where the whole objective for the top teams is to get their best attackers into advanced positions to score and assist.
If Henry played for a top team today he'd be putting up even better numbers than he actually did.