MLB 2014

I dunno. Clubs have rolled through one league's playoff round, had a lengthy spell, then got smashed by the other league's representative. I'll root for the Royals and hope the Cards get knocked out tonight. feck St Louis.
 
Oscar Taveras has been killed along with his girlfriend in a car accident. 22 years old, star of the future.

Damn.
 
Heartbreaking stuff for Taveras. He was just a week ago asked to be ready to start next season in the outfield by Matheny. Tragic loss.
 
Never thought I'd see anything like what Randy Johnson did to the Yankees in the 2001 World Series

Madison Bumgarner just had a World Series performance that topped it. I've heard ratings were bad for this series, and I have to say that a lot of people missed an absolute classic
 
Impressed with how composed the Giants players are in their post-game interviews. Baumgardner is 25 years old, basically won the WS for his team, and he is able to give a thoughtful interview immediately after the game while on the field.
 
Brilliant play from Gaints,especially from Baumgardner.Quite interesting to know that Bochy had never lost a post season series.
 
The Royals had to have had the worst line-up since that Dodgers team in 88.
 
The post-season is a total crapshoot sometimes, I mean don't get me wrong there are years when the best teams win on merit and I am totally not belittling the Giants but look at the numbers.

Oldest Roster in Baseball
Regular season record: 88-74 (didn't even crack 90 wins!)
Qualified for Post Season as the 2nd wildcard
Regular season rotation: 3.50 ERA
Regular season roation without Bumgarner: 4.23 ERA
Post season rotation without Bumgarner: 5.59 ERA

Incredible really, fair play to them.
 
That fat bastard was nervous... and I think his arteries were having a lack of grease withdrawal.

Oh, and Leg-End, the Giants don't get in without this stupid fifth playoff team bullshit. Might as well add a sixth playoff spot per league.
 
Too early to start a 2015 thread?

What's up with these no-names getting massive contracts? Like that guy in Seattle, third-basemen, Seagel... never heard of him but I'm a casual fan these days which is probably why. Career .262 hitter and he's worth $14m a year... feck me. His best year he hit .268 with a .334 OBP and a pitiful .454 SLG for a corner infielder, and he strikesout too much. He still had 2-3 more years before free agency as well.

Is he really the best 3B in the league? Is that what average players are going for these days?
 
MrMarcello said:
Too early to start a 2015 thread?

What's up with these no-names getting massive contracts? Like that guy in Seattle, third-basemen, Seagel... never heard of him but I'm a casual fan these days which is probably why. Career .262 hitter and he's worth $14m a year... feck me. His best year he hit .268 with a .334 OBP and a pitiful .454 SLG for a corner infielder, and he strikesout too much. He still had 2-3 more years before free agency as well.

Is he really the best 3B in the league? Is that what average players are going for these days?
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He was worth 5.8 WAR. They are buying out 2 arbitration years. The average 3B had a .397 slugging percentage last year.
 
Eboue said:
He was worth 5.8 WAR. They are buying out 2 arbitration years. The average 3B had a .397 slugging percentage last year.
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So he's slightly above average then? .057 point is not a massive number. The best hitting third-basemen near or top .500 in that category. Just looked at the 2014 statistical leaders at 3B... feck me, has that position had a serious decline in star power? Only one guy topped .500 slugging and only Beltre would I consider a star, and possibly Encarnacion.

The WAR stat could prove him valuable but I still don't see this player worth $14m per year. The A's shipped their comparable third-basemen, Donaldson, to another club. He had better WAR stats and a better career to date. I suppose he's worth $15m per year then.

I should also add that Boston vastly overpaid for Sandoval (and Ramirez). He's money in October, if Boston can get there.
 
Offense is down drastically across the board. .057 is a massive number. He was 11th in WAR for American League position players.

The Donaldson comparison doesn't make any sense because Donaldson is still in Arbitration. Seager sold his remaining arbitration years plus five free agency years. And yes, Donaldson is worth $15 million per. If you don't think he would get that on the open market, you're fooling yourself.
 
MrMarcello said:
So he's slightly above average then? .057 point is not a massive number. The best hitting third-basemen near or top .500 in that category. Just looked at the 2014 statistical leaders at 3B... feck me, has that position had a serious decline in star power? Only one guy topped .500 slugging and only Beltre would I consider a star, and possibly Encarnacion.

The WAR stat could prove him valuable but I still don't see this player worth $14m per year. The A's shipped their comparable third-basemen, Donaldson, to another club. He had better WAR stats and a better career to date. I suppose he's worth $15m per year then.

I should also add that Boston vastly overpaid for Sandoval (and Ramirez). He's money in October, if Boston can get there.
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1 WAR is worth about $7m on the open market and he just had a 5.5 WAR season. He's projected for about 4 WAR per season for the foreseeable future, and that's assuming he doesn't continue to improve offensively like he has in every season (projected for a wRC+ of 120 next year, after wRC+s of 96, 108, 115 and 126 in his last 4 seasons respectively). wRC+ is the one to focus on rather than a specific one like SLG. He's just been 26% a better hitter than league average, along with well above-average defence. That's exceptionally valuable. And Donaldson is worth way more than $15m per.

Also, I like how you don't count on Seager or Donaldson being worth $15m, but you count on Sandoval being money in the post-season going forward.
 
Feeky Magee said:
1 WAR is worth about $7m on the open market and he just had a 5.5 WAR season. He's projected for about 4 WAR per season for the foreseeable future, and that's assuming he doesn't continue to improve offensively like he has in every season (projected for a wRC+ of 120 next year, after wRC+s of 96, 108, 115 and 126 in his last 4 seasons respectively). wRC+ is the one to focus on rather than a specific one like SLG. He's just been 26% a better hitter than league average, along with well above-average defence. That's exceptionally valuable. And Donaldson is worth way more than $15m per.

Also, I like how you don't count on Seager or Donaldson being worth $15m, but you count on Sandoval being money in the post-season going forward.
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My point on Sandoval is that he's clutch in October but still overpaid, not sure what you're getting at there. I didn't state it was a good contract. I do find MLB contracts ridiculous. I must be out of touch with the money in MLB these days. Granted, it's such a boring sport that I only watch come October. I loved the sport as a kid.
 
MrMarcello said:
My point on Sandoval is that he's clutch in October but still overpaid, not sure what you're getting at there. I didn't state it was a good contract. I do find MLB contracts ridiculous. I must be out of touch with the money in MLB these days. Granted, it's such a boring sport that I only watch come October. I loved the sport as a kid.
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Being "clutch" in the postseason is not exactly something you can count on going forward. He hit .176/.263/.235 in the 2010 postseason. Did he only figure out the secret to postseason hitting in 2012? It's such a small sample-size. He's hit 59% better than league average in the postseason. In almost the same number of plate appearances last July, Chris Coghlan of the Cubs hit 91% better than league average. Would you expect Coghlan to do similar next July? Or would you look more to his career numbers?
 
Feeky Magee said:
Being "clutch" in the postseason is not exactly something you can count on going forward. He hit .176/.263/.235 in the 2010 postseason. Did he only figure out the secret to postseason hitting in 2012? It's such a small sample-size. He's hit 59% better than league average in the postseason. In almost the same number of plate appearances last July, Chris Coghlan of the Cubs hit 91% better than league average. Would you expect Coghlan to do similar next July? Or would you look more to his career numbers?
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Again, you're arguing as if I'm claiming the contract is a good deal, which I'm not. 2010 was his first postseason and since then he's been fantastic in the two postseasons he's appeared, basically justifying he's on an upward trajectory in regards too. Yet it only matters if Boston make the postseason, which still (for me) doesn't justify the contract. I find him an average player overall, not very good defensively, and likely to break down at some point with his body type (very Prince Fielder'ish).
 
7-yr, $100 million might appear to be a lot for Seager, but he was an All-Star, won a Gold Glove, and even got an odd MVP vote. Contract will buy out 3 arbitration years and his first 4 years of free agency. Might be a little early, he only made $540,000 last year. Although he's a good player and still improving, I just don't see the reason to do this now instead of 2 years from now. On another note, his younger brother, Corey (shortstop), is the Dodgers' top prospect in the minors.
 
I was pissed to find out donaldson got traded but after the trades we made late last season, it was only a matter of time.I expect the shark to get traded as well.Alexi Ramirez or Tim Andrson or maybe Upton from the braves.
 
entropy said:
I was pissed to find out donaldson got traded but after the trades we made late last season, it was only a matter of time.I expect the shark to get traded as well.Alexi Ramirez or Tim Andrson or maybe Upton from the braves.
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If we trade Tim Anderson for one year of Samardzija I'll kill myself
 
I don't get the Donaldson trade but I'm never second guessing Billy Beane..........just feel like the A's could have gotten a lot more, I mean you would think they would have liked a Top 10 prospect for him atleast, particularly since they traded Russell away.

Looks like the Yankees are going hard for Miller, might let Robertson walk but even so thats a lockdown pen, be interesting if they let Betances close.
 
Actually not a bad back end rotation starter if he repeats his 2nd half performance of 2014, nice GB rates. Writeup from RAB on him:

Greene, 26, was pretty much a rotation savior for the Yankees this summer. He had a 3.78 ERA (3.73 FIP) in 78.2 innings during his MLB debut with strong strikeout (9.27 K/9 and 23.5 K%) and ground ball (50.2 GB%) rates. His walk rate (3.32 BB/9 and 8.4 BB%) was solid and his command has been much improved these last two years thanks to some mechanical tweaks make by minor league pitching coordinator Gil Patterson. I like Greene, I think his mid-90s sinker/upper-80s slider combo is legit, though he did struggle against lefties this season.
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That being said I'm quite happy the Yanks spun him for a young cost controlled SS in Gregorius, his bat needs to improve but be nice to have some defence at short with him and Ryan, I'd imagine those two might platoon.

I do find it telling that the Yanks gave up a rotation piece at a time when most of their starters have injury question marks, a move for Lester or Max I reckon.
 
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