Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

RashyForPM said:
Right, if Pepe and Xhaka can’t take some harsh truths - actually no, ‘unacceptable’ isn’t a harsh truth when talking about what they did, ‘useless bellends’ would be more accurate, then they shouldn’t be footballers. They should be scapegoated, and they should take it well because they did cost Arsenal those games. About time the useless players at that club took public flak for their mindless actions. At least our players do most of the time, which I’m happy to say. I’ll give you Ozil. Freezing him out will cost Arteta his job.

Also, you have to look at other clubs. Mourinho threw Ndombele and Alli under the bus, and Ndombele has taken it well to come back firing into the XI, while Alli has just kept quiet. Shaw also came back well after Mourinho slammed and ostracised him throughout the 2016-17 season. Why can’t the brats at Arsenal like Saliba, Guendouzi and Pepe do the same?
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But how do we know it's the players and not a toxic boss? I've worked under one and it changes the whole dynamics of the workplace.

Every time there's conflict at a club it always seems to be assumed the faults solely squared at the players and the managers an innocent bystander, sometimes that probably is the case, but on this occasion I have my doubts.
 
There's no denying our form is worrying. Everything seems to have just collapsed after the Utd game. I do feel sorry for him again in a way, because we've not had Partey fit really since then, which was his big summer signing, but that doesn't excuse the collapse that we've had.

I can fully understand fans who now want rid. Not just results, there's now an increasing number of strange decisions from him / the club, that he will probably live (or more likely) die from, so for that he has himself to blame.

However, I still would tend to stand by Arteta, IF he stops now playing players who have let the club down through several managers, & starts to properly see this is what it should be, a long term project.

He should be deciding who he wants to build around mid term - (Gabriel, Tierney, Partey, Saka, Auba) & play the likes of Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Martinelli regularly round about them, & then you can judge if they will be good enough going forward. If not that's the areas you will be looking to strengthen over the next couple of windows anyway.

The support will buy into a project like that more, where we might take a step back to take 2 forward, rather than the feeling of getting let down time & time again by the likes of Xhaka, Bellerin, Laca etc & the feeling we aren't building at all towards the future.

As I said, I can understand why folk think we should get rid, it's hard for me to really argue otherwise based on the last couple of months. I think I'm just intrigued by him going forward, will he be brave & bold enough to do what needs done, or will he be too unwilling to implement the changes needed (which I think will ultimately cost him his job).
 
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GoonerBear said:
There's no denying our form is worrying. Everything seems to have just collapsed after the Utd game. I do feel sorry for him again in a way, because we've not had Partey fit really since then, which was his big summer signing, but that doesn't excuse the collapse that we've had.

I can fully understand fans who now want rid. Not just results, there's now an increasing number of strange decisions from him / the club, that he will probably live (or more likely) die from, so for that he has himself to blame.

However, I still would tend to stand by Arteta, IF he stops now playing players who have let the club down through several managers, & starts to properly see this is what it should be, a long term project.

He should be deciding who he wants to build around mid term - (Gabriel, Tierney, Partey, Saka, Auba) & play the likes of Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Martinelli regularly round about them, & then you can judge if they will be good enough going forward. If not that's the areas you will be looking to strengthen over the next couple of windows anyway.

The support will buy into a project like that more, where we might take a step back to take 2 forward, rather than the feeling of getting let down time & time again by the likes of Xhaka, Bellerin, Laca etc & the feeling we aren't building at all towards the future.

As I said, I can understand why folk think we should get rid, it's hard for me to really argue otherwise based on the last couple of months. I think I'm just intrigued by him going forward, will he be brave & bold enough to do what needs done, or will he be too unwilling to implement the changes needed (which I think will ultimately cost him his job).
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CV wise, Arteta looks outstanding.
But making the transition from Coach to Manager at another club is a massive jump.
I make no secret of my dislike of the Gooners, for many reasons.
But the cliche is right in this case. He really does need some time to grow into the job.
 
Buster15 said:
CV wise, Arteta looks outstanding.
But making the transition from Coach to Manager at another club is a massive jump.
I make no secret of my dislike of the Gooners, for many reasons.
But the cliche is right in this case. He really does need some time to grow into the job.
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I don't expect him to get everything right, he's going to make mistakes, & I think he certainly has done, there's no doubt about that. But, he has also been dealt a very tough hand. The club haven't been stable above & around him, there's been structure change, role changes, pay cuts, redundancies, & that's before we get to the playing side.

There's a general understanding that there needs to be a culture shift at the club, that players have had it too easy, that the training ground was just too cosy & relaxing, so I did expect a good few noses to be put out of joint.

I pin my hopes on that he wants change, & he'll implement change. He really could be in a unique opportunity, given current circumstance & downgraded expectation, to play a young exciting side for the rest of the season, & given contract situations in the summer, a chance to do a proper squad reset. I hope he embraces it, or he won't last I don't think.
 
Buster15 said:
CV wise, Arteta looks outstanding.
But making the transition from Coach to Manager at another club is a massive jump.
I make no secret of my dislike of the Gooners, for many reasons.
But the cliche is right in this case. He really does need some time to grow into the job.
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I guess the question I have is what exactly is so great about his CV?

My personal opinion is that they were poor before the United game but I guess is matter of perspective.
 
tenpoless said:
It's always the French players that kick up a fuss innit.
They're more dramatic. Griezmann, Pogba and now Pepe, Guendongan, Saliba. Who is Saliba anyway and who is Guendongan.
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No irony emoji?

Pepe is Ivorian, and if you mean Guendouzi, he's on loan at Hertha, Saliba is a 19 yr old defender; I doubt he's 'dramatic', he's been left out by Arteta because that's Arteta's choice.
 
Isn’t undeniable that anyone who wishes to manage a massive club like Arsenal needs the experience of managing one or two smaller clubs first?
 
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GoonerBear said:
I don't expect him to get everything right, he's going to make mistakes, & I think he certainly has done, there's no doubt about that. But, he has also been dealt a very tough hand. The club haven't been stable above & around him, there's been structure change, role changes, pay cuts, redundancies, & that's before we get to the playing side.

There's a general understanding that there needs to be a culture shift at the club, that players have had it too easy, that the training ground was just too cosy & relaxing, so I did expect a good few noses to be put out of joint.

I pin my hopes on that he wants change, & he'll implement change. He really could be in a unique opportunity, given current circumstance & downgraded expectation, to play a young exciting side for the rest of the season, & given contract situations in the summer, a chance to do a proper squad reset. I hope he embraces it, or he won't last I don't think.
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The extend to which Arteta supporters go to support him is laughable. Its very similar to united and Ole.Why don't you just accept Arteta isn't good enough ? All this structural bullshits etc would only make a fool of you guys.

Give that team to any capable manager and you will see results coming in. Definitely not a title challenge but you would see massive improvements.
 
bond19821982 said:
The extend to which Arteta supporters go to support him is laughable. Its very similar to united and Ole.Why don't you just accept Arteta isn't good enough ? All this structural bullshits etc would only make a fool of you guys.

Give that team to any capable manager and you will see results coming in. Definitely not a title challenge but you would see massive improvements.
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That post is pretty much saying "if he'd not done everything he's actually done and he starts doing stuff he's most likely not going to do, I'd be good with him". Erm ok sure.
 
bond19821982 said:
The extend to which Arteta supporters go to support him is laughable. Its very similar to united and Ole.Why don't you just accept Arteta isn't good enough ? All this structural bullshits etc would only make a fool of you guys.

Give that team to any capable manager and you will see results coming in. Definitely not a title challenge but you would see massive improvements.
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It's partly because I don't want to be a team that chops & changes managers every year. It's also partly because I'd rather certain players go in the group before the manager does. I think in this day & age is too easy to get rid of a manager & players seem to survive.

I've a fear a new manager comes in, results pick up and we keep faith with the same players & the cycle continues.

I did lay out what I want to see happening over the next few months. If it doesn't happen, then I can change my mind. Its only my opinion, theres plenty out there, probably the majority now, that think otherwise, & I perfectly understand that viewpoint as well.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
What does this mean?
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Just means he worked under and was praised by one of the most renowned managers in the game. Which, while certainly a testament to some of his coaching abilities, is not the end-all and be-all of Arteta's credentials as manager. The Peter Principle might apply after all. Quieroz was a great coach who was not a great manager. Heck, Woodward was great at putting together the LBO package that gave United to the Glazers - doesn't mean he's great at being the CEO of the whole outfit if you want a related example in a different line of work.
 
Buster15 said:
CV wise, Arteta looks outstanding.
But making the transition from Coach to Manager at another club is a massive jump.
I make no secret of my dislike of the Gooners, for many reasons.
But the cliche is right in this case. He really does need some time to grow into the job.
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His cv as a manager doesn’t look so good.
 
To be fair, if I was Arsenal I'd gut the squad first and then see what happens. They've got a terrible team. I don't think Arteta is anything special though.
 
Cassidy said:
I guess the question I have is what exactly is so great about his CV?

My personal opinion is that they were poor before the United game but I guess is matter of perspective.
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Working with Pep.
 
Judas said:
To be fair, if I was Arsenal I'd gut the squad first and then see what happens. They've got a terrible team. I don't think Arteta is anything special though.
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I sort of agree with this, however, this is where I believe Ole has done a marvelous job and Arteta should have plucked a leaf out of his book.

If you believe that a player is shite (Fellaini) or a trouble maker (Sanchez) in the backroom or simply doesn't fit your system (Lukaku), sell them off, irrespective of the price. Play kids on their behalf, and they may not work as well, but it is more than a good enough leverage with the fans to buy some more time.

Add to that, play acceptable quality football at the very least. This is where LVG failed with us. Fans would no longer be on your side if your side struggles to test the opposition GK regularly, and score goals.

Lastly, transfers need to be sensible. If he was not planning on registering Ozil, signing Aouar should have been the priority rather than Partey or someone else, as now, they aren't having a creator. Similarly, signing Willian was too big a gamble, which is not paying off evidently. Signings, and the style should at the very least give off the impression that 2-4 years later you're going to be a top side, which one struggles to see from Arteta's signings
 
anant said:
I sort of agree with this, however, this is where I believe Ole has done a marvelous job and Arteta should have plucked a leaf out of his book.

If you believe that a player is shite (Fellaini) or a trouble maker (Sanchez) in the backroom or simply doesn't fit your system (Lukaku), sell them off, irrespective of the price. Play kids on their behalf, and they may not work as well, but it is more than a good enough leverage with the fans to buy some more time.

Add to that, play acceptable quality football at the very least. This is where LVG failed with us. Fans would no longer be on your side if your side struggles to test the opposition GK regularly, and score goals.

Lastly, transfers need to be sensible. If he was not planning on registering Ozil, signing Aouar should have been the priority rather than Partey or someone else, as now, they aren't having a creator. Similarly, signing Willian was too big a gamble, which is not paying off evidently. Signings, and the style should at the very least give off the impression that 2-4 years later you're going to be a top side, which one struggles to see from Arteta's signings
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This.

Arsenal is building towards a mishmash squad just like a pre-Ole squad consisting of ensalada of managers and philosophies.

The pain for gooners will not stop anytime soon. They will need to do the rationalising/streamlining and the lowering of the age profile of the squad at some point by one of their future managers.

The irony is that these problems are meant to be avoided with the appointment of a football/sporting director which arsenal have had even towards the dying days of Arsen.
 
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sglowrider said:
This.

Arsenal is building towards a mishmash squad just like a pre-Ole squad consisting of ensalada of managers and philosophies.

The pain for gooners will not stop anytime soon. They will need to do the rationalising/streamlining and the lowering of the age profile of the squad at some point by one of their future managers.

The irony is that these problems are meant to be avoided with the appointment of a football/sporting director which arsenal have had even towards the dying days of Arsen.
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There is an actual base of some good young players. Tierney (23), Gabriel (22), Saliba (19), Maitland-Niles (23) Guendouzi (21) Saka (19) Martinelli (19) being the stand outs. Behind who have a bit more to prove are Nelson (21), Nketiah (21) Smith-Rowe (20) Balogun (19) Willock (21).

So it's not like there's no young talent there to work with. They are also obviously targeting a younger creative midfielder with the links to Aouar & Szoboszlai as well.

This summer sees Mustafi, Luiz, Sokratis & Ozil out of contract, & they'll look to move on the likes of Kolasinac & Lacazette as well. As I have said a few times, it's a good chance to do a reset of the squad.
 
Arteta takes full responsibility for the team's results and has welcomed the criticism and scrutiny he is getting from the media.

“It’s natural, I accept the criticism and it’s part of the job," he said.

“When you’re not getting results at the end of the day it’s the manager who has the maximum responsibility. So that’s what I accept.

“You can explain whatever you want but at the end of the day you have to win football matches and this club is too big to accept this many losses in the last weeks. So my chest is here and hit me, guys.”
 
United58 said:
Does he need to be? He's only 19
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Was playing first team football in Ligue1 and bought for 27m and not registered even for Europa League?


Might only be 19 but he was playing top flight football already, whats the point of him being with u23s
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Arteta takes full responsibility for the team's results and has welcomed the criticism and scrutiny he is getting from the media.

“It’s natural, I accept the criticism and it’s part of the job," he said.

“When you’re not getting results at the end of the day it’s the manager who has the maximum responsibility. So that’s what I accept.

“You can explain whatever you want but at the end of the day you have to win football matches and this club is too big to accept this many losses in the last weeks. So my chest is here and hit me, guys.”
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Good on him to own up to his responsibility and show authenticity. It's refreshing but will only buy him a little bit of time. Let's see if he is able to keep his cool if results don't improve or even deteriorate.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Arteta takes full responsibility for the team's results and has welcomed the criticism and scrutiny he is getting from the media.

“It’s natural, I accept the criticism and it’s part of the job," he said.

“When you’re not getting results at the end of the day it’s the manager who has the maximum responsibility. So that’s what I accept.

“You can explain whatever you want but at the end of the day you have to win football matches and this club is too big to accept this many losses in the last weeks. So my chest is here and hit me, guys.”
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Should be added to his already glowing CV.
 
united_99 said:
Savage :lol:
I actually feel sorry for him. While I don’t think he has shown anything special about him so far, their squad is really not good enough.
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Why would you feel sorry for the media darling? Barely any criticism towards him from the pundits(his best friend Wrighty said a month ago we'd be title challengers with Arteta - he's gone silent since the shitshow), media... All the review shows MOTD, Weekend Review, Analysis show. No criticism whatsoever. One pundit actually said it's the players who let him down. He's gettng a free pass for taking Ars to 15th while Ole was beeing destroyed left and right.
 
Why is he getting a free pass from the media? He isn't British so what special relationship does he have with the pundits and journalists?
 
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