I wouldn’t be delighted with coming 8th back to back, then 5th.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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THIS!
Yeah City fans are cnuts as well. They seem the best team at the moment but their wins will be tainted. They’ve been lucky this season so hopefully teams can improve for next season.
Ideally yes, justice wins out. But in the world of football tribalism (which is inherently irrational), wanting everyone to lose if you can't win makes sense.
Have a look at the state of our squad back in those years. It is even worse than your squad now.
Yeah Arsenal have spent well. In our position with the amount we spend though I still wouldn’t be delighted with those results.
£706m spent and 5 years without a trophy. That's not good enough.
Great job? Close to billion spent - 1 FA cup for 5 years …Hate the guy as much as anybody else but the knee-jerk reactions to when they lose are a bit hilariousHe might not be as good as Pep or Klopp (who really is?) but he clearly is a Top Tier coach and despite the huge amounts of money he's spent, he's done a great job at Arsenal.
Don't ruin the narrative that he's worked wonders on limited money.
It's very hard to compete with 115 Charges FC. In fact, it's looking to be near impossible. Klopp and Arteta are the only managers in recent years to get anywhere near Pep and Klopp only bettered him once. Arteta is still a very young and inexperienced manager, and I think Arsenal fans knew that we gambled going with him.
It would genuinely take some doing to have spent worse than us.
When has that ever been the narrative? Maybe you're thinking of Wenger.
He literally overhauled our squad, made big (and correct) calls to get rid of aging and problematic players. He has spent a lot, but has overall spent well.
He spent 220 mn pounds in 1 season, gave us a humiliating Europa cup final defeat and had us sitting 10th in the table when he got sacked.
This is typical Cafe knee jerk reaction. Remember when the Cafe were suggesting we sack Arteta and replace him with Potter in 2021?
Tbf, its one of the hardest things to compete with City and Arsenal have done it very well twice now. And of course, they have spent a shit ton of money but so does everyone else these days. Atleast Arsenal fans are seeing some returns on their money and a team with some sort of ideology and almost consistently good football.
Well Ultimately you have to show success, otherwise what's the point. It's no longer 2020 where arteta can give the underdog excuse. You lot have spent good amount of money and your manager has been managing arsenal for a long time so it is but natural to judge accordingly.
Again, no one is saying he is a bad manager or should be sacked but the amount of hype he has received from the media, I just don't see the return so far.
It just seems to be conveniently ignored that he's actually spent a feck tonne of money. So far, he has 1 FA Cup to show for it, after what, 4 and a half seasons.
Well just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it is not true.He spent 220 mn pounds in 1 season, gave us a humiliating Europa cup final defeat and had us sitting 10th in the table when he got sacked.
This is typical Cafe knee jerk reaction. Remember when the Cafe were suggesting we sack Arteta and replace him with Potter in 2021?
This is typical Cafe knee jerk reaction. Remember when the Cafe were suggesting we sack Arteta and replace him with Potter in 2021?
Surviving two consecutive 8th place finishes was quite something. And nah, I've never bought into the Potter hype.
I don't disagree but I think you're understating how near impossible it is to BETTER this City side and their cheating. 2-3 years ago when we were mid-table, I would never have expected us to be in QF of CL and being in title races 2 seasons running. He has continued to improve us season upon season. For me, that's a pretty good return so far, and he's got credit in the bank.
So that’s one 2nd place trophy and this year is yet to play out but seems they are on the slide again.
the guy they replaced with Arteta took a villa side in relegation zone to Europe and looks lock on for CL football this year, schooling Arteta’s Arsenal team couple of times on the way… That’s a success for me, not second place finishes ala Brendan Rodgers.
Leverkusen just became champions over coming 11 years of Bayern domination with a squad that is probably worth 1/10 of what Bayern are spending. The difference is one actually did it the other is mounting a challenge .
Certified fraud just for playing that pretend defender Zinchenko
No one is ignoring that but mate, I am still traumatised by the last couple of years of Wenger and Emery eras. Trust me, this is much, much better.
Again, it is feeling like it's just about impossible to better Pep and City. At the moment, just competing with them and being back at the table of CL, is something I could barely imagine a couple of seasons ago.
The difference is one is having to do it against the best manager ever and what's shaping up to be the best team ever in club football. I doubt very much anyone spending 1/10 of what City is spending can get anywhere near them in the PL. Bundesliga is trash, hence why you get one team winning it for over a decade straight.
But it absolutely is ignored by the wider media. He's obviously a good manager but the nauseating hype around a manager with 1 FA Cup in 4 and a half seasons, is pretty wild.
But what's the end goal here. Ultimately he has to get you the big one. Otherwise you are saying basically you guys are happy with him getting the results that past it wenger from 2010 to 2016 used to get.
Eventually, yes. But I don't feel (and I don't think Arsenal fans do in general) like we're at that tipping point with him. Nowhere near it.
For me, the first 1-2 seasons he needed to rebuild the squad. Now he's done that, and we're competing again at the top level. Hopefully silverware (other than FA Cup) is coming.
Well Cholo did it twice competing with Ancelotti and Zidane’s Real and competing with Messi led Barca.
Lego Pep went out with a whimper against Olympiacos, Sporting and Villarreal in Europe.
You are usually out at the stroke of New Year in all domestic cups competing with a team playing on 4 fronts( it still has the best team, of course).
I always prefer silverware to second place finishes as those bottled titles are not fond memories after time.
And also with that same said cross-city rivals beating our three in a row record. It’s a travesty.
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Any trophy won by City was not won by the club.
It was bought by Abu Dhabi.
City did not win the Treble.
Thus the 115 charges.
It was bought by Abu Dhabi.
City did not win the Treble.
Thus the 115 charges.
If he wins nothing more than his FA Cup in another 2-3 seasons, maybe I'll start agreeing with you. But for now, he has transformed us and taken us back to competing at the top level. I'm enjoying this, that's fine if you feel he should have delivered more by now. Personally I think the game is different now with City and the standards are much, much higher than they were previously.
No City team has come close to being the best ever. They don't even make the top 3 teams of my lifetime. As for the 'best manager ever', maybe stick to peddling that shit on Twitter and other fan forums, but not on here.
I wasn't aware Arteta was so disliked in here.
If I was an Arsenal fan I think I would be cool with him currently, even if it feels bad to lose the lead in the league. He's still a young and rookie manager and it should be very evident how much Arsenal has progressed with him. He's still competing in the UCL while also challenging for the league while also playing some attractive football. I think at this point him and his team are just lacking experience which at this point is something understandable.
C’mon GG, remember this is the internet age, where if you don’t finish 1st you get called a fraud and probably deserve to be sacked. Context doesn’t matter.
So much this.
City’s standards are obviously very high but this season they do look beatable even under pep. Problem is the rest of the teams aren’t looking up to it to make a great run. Arsenal obviously lack the experience but also to me the winning by mentality. I do expected you to fold sooner compared to last year so kudos for that, but getting all that praise surely you have to win something before that ?
Except absolutely no one called him a fraud or said he deserves to be sacked...
If they win a 4th league title in a row, and perhaps do double-treble... it's really hard to argue he wouldn't be.
Exactly. Experience is what his team (and he himself) is lacking. We don't have the know-how yet to handle the pressure moments etc. But we're getting better all the time and he has shown that he is improving us every season. He has improved heaps as a manager and this season is already much better at squad rotation and making adjustments in-game (though I think he got the Villa game all wrong).I wasn't aware Arteta was so disliked in here.
If I was an Arsenal fan I think I would be cool with him currently, even if it feels bad to lose the lead in the league. He's still a young and rookie manager and it should be very evident how much Arsenal has progressed with him. He's still competing in the UCL while also challenging for the league while also playing some attractive football. I think at this point him and his team are just lacking experience which at this point is something understandable.
Back to back trebles is a big 'if'. Also, just based off the quality of the squad, they're nowhere near the best team in my lifetime (2010/11 Barca).
I don’t think it has anything to do with being a fraud but lack of silverware ultimately results in a drop of confidence in his ability by his own players.
Players buy into projects. Let’s say Arsenal doesn’t win anything this season and the next, what’s to stop your top players from leaving the club, or losing confidence in Arteta’s ability to make them win trophies?
It may be similar to the end of Wenger’s reign where the club was seen as a « plays nice football but stepping stone for other clubs ».
Odegaard is 25, Saliba 23, Saka soon 23. They’re pretty young but unless they start winning or having deep European cup runs, they might start to look elsewhere.
It’s not a dig by the way. Arteta did very good to get Arsenal back to being title contenders, but in football if you don’t win, players will ultimately lose faith