That’s not to say Arsenal are gonna go the distance. But whether we do or we don’t, the precise order in which we played our games is going to be an incredibly minor factor.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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I think the main difference is though that Arsenal signed Arteta knowing he was building a 'project' and were willing to give him time. I think that was pretty clear from the beginning. I don't think ETH (or Ole) are/were 'project managers' in the same way. But might be wrong.
ETH absolutely is. He's spoken about the "process" many times, just as Arteta used to when he was getting crap results.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. Obviously too soon to judge him one way or another.
He should absolutely be given time IMO. Hopefully for United's sake ETH has sold his vision to the Glazers and can be backed accordingly.
I think United are in a similar position to us two or so seasons ago, where you have too many players that simply aren't good enough - AWB, Lindelof, McTominay and DVDB (Kolasinac, Willian, Mustafi, Chambers).
And then you have the middling squad players that need to be less reliant on the likes of - Maguire, Fred, Dalot, Shaw, Martial and CR7 (Bellerin, Luiz, Sokratis, Willock, Lacazette, etc) need to have their roles reduced or replaced.
Rashford and Sancho need to pull their fingers out too.
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I think the main difference is that the Arsenal board were having to use blind faith. This was Artetas first managerial position, he had no body of work to fall back on, so they had to show real patience and extreme faith in times that were really difficult, when sometimes it wasn't even evident what style of play we were looking to implement, never mind get results.
ETH at least has a good volume of work behind him, where you can see how he likes his team's to play, and how he has had success getting them to play that way. Now that doesn't necessarily translate to success at Utd for a variety of reasons, but hopefully it will allow him the patience from the Utd board and fans to make a real proper fist of it.
The boom bust cycle is more of a Wenger thing. Things have changed. Arsenal are more willing to spend money, and Arteta isn’t as tactically naive as Wenger was. I agree on the squad depth, but I think we will rectify that in the transfer window.
I do not want to discuss any Man Utd matter in the Arteta or Arsenal thread. However, i don't think Arsenal board has blind faith on Arteta. It is obviously since day one the board is convinced Arteta is the right person for the job and they backed him to no end (in terms of the results in the past 3 seasons, and the heavy investment to overhaul the team, get rid of all the old players not suited to his style including ozil, and Aubameyang). Arteta is able to convince them he is the best person for the job since day one. There are more than one time Josh and Edu described Arteta is tactically brilliant in the past, and Xhaka said Arteta is a freak in terms of tactics, details, and instruction to players. Josh said it himself there is not a single moment Arteta's job is under threat in the past 3 seasons.
Exceeding expectations at the moment.
Do you to think you'll win the league?
Ok so that should seal top 6.
There's no doubt he's forged a great team and a spirit, but I'm still not convinced about him. I feel like at the moment, the chances his side's give up go completely unpunished.
When we played them, we proved that it's not that hard to take the chances they can concede, but for example today, zinchenko can fall over and let the winger walk into the box and the lad fecking clears it back towards their own half.
I think they'll certainly around the top of the chasing pack come the end of the season, but I am not convinced they're winning the league.
When we played them, we proved that it's not that hard to take the chances they can concede, but for example today, zinchenko can fall over and let the winger walk into the box and the lad fecking clears it back towards their own half.
I think they'll certainly around the top of the chasing pack come the end of the season, but I am not convinced they're winning the league.
The board was and is privy to way more information behind the scenes and on the pitch than the average fan can access. I don't think the board continuing with Arteta was blind faith, it was more them seeing significant factors (again, unknown to fans) that mitigated the final table finishes. You don't do things wrong for 3 seasons then luck into a title race.
Is this gonna be a one of season for arsenal or are they back and challenging? If so then next season will be even tougher, especially when Newcastle start buying properly, Liverpool will be out of there bad spell, Chelsea can’t get any worse.
Newcastle have started buying properly FYI. Just because their 70m euro striker is injured and their best players performing were already there, doesn't mean they haven't spent a shit tonne of Saudi cash already.
Every week I hope Arsenal lose and every week I see this Lord larys looking cnut celebrating on the touchline. Somebody show their feet to stop him winning.
Arteta is one of the best young manager in the world. I dont think there is a better manager than him under 50. What's more telling is Arteta is only 40.
Rival fans like to meme him and not rate him. But honestly how much longer can you deny his quality?
Rival fans like to meme him and not rate him. But honestly how much longer can you deny his quality?
They’ve bought isak and botman? Hardly a spending spree
So True. The culture with the fans is diffrent. Whenver we would concede under Wenger the nervous energy would kick in, Wenger would be on the touchline argueing with the 4th official. But these days the fans trust the team and Arteta, and Arteta deals witht he players in game in a way Wenger never used to.
Arteta has transformed the club. I know its a big statement, but you need to be an Arsenal fan to truly understand
Don't forget the casual 100m in January, so nearly 200m in total.
Bruv, I feel like every morning you wake up and choose violence. Chill, my man. Let’s at least qualify for the CL before proclaiming him the best young Manager in the world.
And this is coming from a huge fan of the man.
They have the best xGA in the league.
They've actually now overtaken City in xPTS.
I was hoping they'd get dragged back into top 4 race but they're nailed on for top 2 unless they have severe prolonged injury crisis.
What?
They’ve spent like 136m. This season. We’ve spent like 240. Yet there 3rd and we’re 5th.
Why are Arsenal fans like this
He is entitled to his own opinion. He doesn't need anyone or you to agree with him. You are welcome to write another 300 pages argue with him. We had 269 pages already.Why are Arsenal fans like this
Two very reasonable Arsenal fans. I had feared these were an extinct species. The main thrust (if I may use such a term in connection with the Arse) of your argument I entirely agree with. ETH is a guy with a project, an exciting one I believe, and it will maybe take a couple of seasons and transfer windows to bear fruit.
I have been a little unkind to your fellow fans, but this is a reminder not to generalise! I cover myself with sack cloth and ashes.
Why are Arsenal fans like this
Which manager under 50 looks better than Arteta?
Not just rival fans, it was Arsenal fans calling for him to be sacked just a few months ago and now he's suddenly the best young manager in the world?
Because he has turned it around in a way in which no one believed.
He is the one of the top managers in the world. Linked with Barcelona and PSG in the past month. Good luck to anyone wanting to lure Super Mik away from Arsenal. I think ive seen a few stories suggesting he is the number 1 target for City should Pep leave.
Nagelsmann is 35 years old.
I want to see Glaston Vs Gooner in peace in a PPV Vegas North Landaan event…
He's earnt it. Fair play. The critics too was warranted at that time. But again to be fair he turn it around
Would like to point out that I said last year, 6 months ago, and 3 months ago they would be morons if they panicked and tore their whole project down.
You could see what they were working toward after the first year.
Patience has been rewarded.
I hope my team is smart enough to venture the same of that rarest of modern qualities.
Arsenal fans should t just be excited, they should be hopeful and proud. This is the start of something, not a “good run”.
Arsenal fans who wanted Arteta out didn’t do it because of his limitations, but because of their own. Arsenal fans are a very loyal passionate bunch, but their thirst for instant success and general lack of understanding of football was exposed with Arteta. It didn’t take a brain surgeon to see that we had one of the most unbalanced, demotivated, overpaid and empowered squads in the country. The squad had to be gutted completely and restarted from scratch, yet even with an fa cup on board (look at how tough it’s been for United and Spurs to get over the line with better teams than ours), a lot of our fans just didn’t have the mental capacity to see beyond the results and to notice, appreciate, or assess the gradual changes in the dressing room and on the field.
Now everyone is jumping on the Arteta bandwagon, which is great for him, but the most impressive thing about Arsenal in the last year or so is that while the fans and media were losing the plot at the start of last season, the board were never going to sack Arteta, they had no expectations last season, and no title challenging expectations this season either, he just keeps hitting targets ahead of time. The most impressive thing he has done is in the players he got rid of rather than necessarily the ones he brought in. Where are Ozil and Auba now, and look how we used to amble around as a team and how we press now.
Now everyone is jumping on the Arteta bandwagon, which is great for him, but the most impressive thing about Arsenal in the last year or so is that while the fans and media were losing the plot at the start of last season, the board were never going to sack Arteta, they had no expectations last season, and no title challenging expectations this season either, he just keeps hitting targets ahead of time. The most impressive thing he has done is in the players he got rid of rather than necessarily the ones he brought in. Where are Ozil and Auba now, and look how we used to amble around as a team and how we press now.
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He is surely proving to be one of the best young and upcoming managers. People just don't want to give him credits because he was ridiculed in the beginning (me included), but at some point you have to appreciate what he is doing.
Why do people think he can't be a great manager? People are quick to call Marco Rose, Nagelsman, Amorin, ETH (who is the oldest among them) as the next up and coming great managers but not Arteta, who is doing it in the premier league challenging the best coach?
He is Pep's prodigy, he learnt from the best and actually is doing it his way by playing more kids with some beautiful football. Last season there were signs he was building something and this season has just taken off. Not saying they will win the league but you just have to give him his dues.
Why do people think he can't be a great manager? People are quick to call Marco Rose, Nagelsman, Amorin, ETH (who is the oldest among them) as the next up and coming great managers but not Arteta, who is doing it in the premier league challenging the best coach?
He is Pep's prodigy, he learnt from the best and actually is doing it his way by playing more kids with some beautiful football. Last season there were signs he was building something and this season has just taken off. Not saying they will win the league but you just have to give him his dues.
Gallardo, Amorim, Nagelsmann, Tuchel, to name a few.
He is doing extremely well and looking very promising, but he doesn’t jump to the top of that queue after spending a lot of money and enjoying a great start to the season.
He could well prove to be the best of his generation, but to state that at this juncture is ludicrous.