He's definitely been underrated on this forum
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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He's definitely been underrated on this forum
If 8th and 5th (with no European football) are "great" then I dread to think what they'd look like if they had a bad season.
Arsenal may start to show some serious progress this year, but until they do he's shown very little to deserve the sort of praise he gets.
It is a united forum so everyone else is underrated here. Pep and Klopp are exemption only because of their winning record. For Arteta, he only needs his boss Josh to rate him, and get the support from Arsenal fans. The amazon documentary seems work well to get the fans on board with the club.
Ancelotti was "pass it" too when he was with Everton according to redcafe, of course he is back to "GREAT" now after he won the CL with real madrid.
Consider how strong the teams are in the top 4 and the quality and experience of each of their managers, and the amount spent on the team that finished 11 points behind in 6th.
Had it not been for injuries to Partey, Tierney and Tomiyasu, they probably would have made top 4.
Arsenal are progressing year on year under Arteta. He has assembled a good, young squad and they are pay less than half what United do on salaries.
They may still not make top 5 this year, but I do think they will earn more points than they did last year. Which is what Arteta has done the last 3 seasons (56 > 61 > 69).
Just because you have a massive man crush on him doesn't mean that people being unimpressed with consecutive 8th place finishes and a 5th when most teams went into self destruct and they had 4th within their grasp is underrating him. Again, he has so far very little to show for. We'll see if it changes this season, as it's the one where he should really be pushing on.
This really doesn't mean anything, except for scoring imaginary points in your mind. Redcafe isn't a sentient being, it's made up of hundreds of posters with differing views.
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Excellent start, looking forward to Sunday's game against United to see if they can continue this run of form
Will be good although we'll likely have Partey and Odegaard out and Zinchenko 50/50 which is a pain.
This is rubbish. United players and managers are by far the most ridiculed and scrutinized group on this forum.
We are about as many games into our rebuild under ETH as Arteta is years into his rebuild at Arsenal. Arsenal should win comfortable
I think it will be a good game but I've a feeling we'll sneak it. Not sure Jesus will have much luck if Varane and Martinez are fit and playing well again. Odegaard being injured would be a big boost for us too.
The upcoming game against Everton and Brentford games are just as "important" as the Utd and Spurs game. it is just 3 points per game after all.
Ole was making progress in terms of points and league position. Until he wasn't.
The issue with Ole is he wasn't actually achieving anything beyond turning us from a shit team to a less shit team while spending a fortune in the transfer window. Which kind of describes Arteta's time at Arsenal thus far, except he's not actually managed to get a top 4 finish yet whereas Ole got two.
Now Arteta may carry Arsenal's upward trajectory for years to come in which case we will give him huge credit, but until he actually achieves that I'd hold off on suggesting he's doing a "great" job.
I said it in pre season, great moves and a nice young team. They looked much better.
Happy for them and hope they can keep it up.
Happy for them and hope they can keep it up.
It's officially Arsenal boom period.
Underrated how? Arsenal have finished what 8th, 8th and 5th under him? 5th when we were at our absolute worst in my lifetime and Spurs weren't much better. To add to that he's spent millions in the transfer window unlike Arsenal managers before him.
Playing well but squad depth looking a huge issue. We needed another midfielder before the Partey/Elneny injuries. Probably need a couple now with the Europa League starting soon...
If you can't see the progress you're either blind or just have some agenda. It's ridiculous, but each to their own.
I'm banking on Europa being the death of Arsenal this season - they had no European football last season so it's a big change.
It depends on how Arteta treats it though, if he rests his first 11 for league games at all costs then he will reap the benefits in the league.
No one will truly give a shit about a poor showing in the Europa as long as you get top 4, and you still have 2 domestic trophies to go for to satisfy the trophy itch. The same goes for United, I'd rather we prioritise the league games.
Congratulations to Arsenal on winning the league.
Oh what do you mean there’s another 33 games?
Oh what do you mean there’s another 33 games?
He was tasked with basically creating a brand new squad along with getting rid of players that weren't needed. That process takes time and money. Stop with this short-sighted nonsense.
Yeah, they should probably tank Europe and prioritize clinching top 4 and getting in the CL and go for everything next year. They might get through the group stage anyways with guys like Nketiah, Smith-Rowe, Vieira, Lokomba and Holding leading them, that's not any worse at team than PSV or Bodo will throw out.
Arteta isnt like Ole, Lampard, Gerrard or any other former player fast-tracked given their playing affiliation.
Meme him all you want. But the guy is a serious manager with active involvement. Even when United finished 2nd under Ole, I always felt Ole was along for the ride rather than driving the ship.
Arteta has laid the groundwork and is building from the bottom up
Meme him all you want. But the guy is a serious manager with active involvement. Even when United finished 2nd under Ole, I always felt Ole was along for the ride rather than driving the ship.
Arteta has laid the groundwork and is building from the bottom up
Casemiro header will win it for us
It's easy to downplay what Ole achieved while Arteta is enjoying a good run of results. But Ole made the CL twice, something Arteta has never done. Ole also went on excellent runs of results.
Never liked the arse myself, but you have to admit that he’s done a good job so far with their rebuild. The media is sooo up them, but I guess that’s not really his fault.
God, this trying to be fair business is one hell of an effort, eh?
Won't happen and I don't particularly like them but it would be good if they won it cause it would stop City winning the league 3 times in a for.
That's of course if we can't do it.
That's of course if we can't do it.
Credit to him, he has done good job. 5 wins in 5 is superb record no matter who the opponents are.
Anyways all that matters is how they finish. Will be interesting to see if they can finish in top 4 this season.
Anyways all that matters is how they finish. Will be interesting to see if they can finish in top 4 this season.
It's only you guys on here saying stuff like this. I've not seen any Arsenal fan on here say anything remotely like this and if you offered any in here scraping 4th by goal difference, they'd probably take it
As for the weekends game, I've said before I expect is to struggle at Old Trafford, as we always tend to do. If Partey, Elneny, Odegaard & Zinchenko are out, that makes our our job harder, the midfield starts to look weak, its not an excuse, it's our fault because we have been crying out for at least 1 more midfielder and it doesn't look like that's been addressed, so that's a major flaw.
Haaland plays for Man City and is scoring for fun make up for it.
Not looking forward to our game against them tbh. They've had our number under Ole and Rangnick and we are too early in ETHs developmental phase while they are flying.
We always contrive to lose against your lot whenever we're relatively happy with life. Wouldn't expect anything different on Sunday.
As a team though, yes, with Partey and Zinchenko we should blow you away. Without, it'll be very even.
EDIT: And if Odergaard's missing I think you're definitely favourites.
Last night was probably one of their first tests - going 1-1 from a shitty goal that would usually have rocked their confidence - they did well to recover and show resilience.
It's the youthful naivete and exuberance which actually works well for us in this instance. Our teams in the last 5-7 years would've been moaning and pointing fingers immediately, letting their heads drop and not willing to take any risks for fear of any individual feck ups. Arteta's given these young players a lot of confidence in going forward, which is great to see because that was a reservation I had in his first year plus.
Imo the second goal came too soon after the equaliser to show anything about resilience, especially when it’s from a keepers mistake
They showed resilience then.
Ole only improved us on a points basis in one season. Arteta has done it for the past two years and has now started the season with 15 of 15.
I think its very fair to say that Ole started with a far superior squad to start with too.
Arteta has done a good job in getting rid of deadwood. Made a big move in getting rid of Aubameyang. Ole wouldn't have had the balls to do that.