Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Arteta is a weird one. Outside of that one FA cup, there isn’t really any metric that I can point at to say that I personally think he’s doing a good job. To my eyes it looks like he’s doing a bad job, and yet there are so many voices among football that talk about what a good job he’s doing, and seemingly a decent amount of fans that feel the same.
It’s a bit like when Moyes was here and I thought he was a disaster from the beginning, and yet it seemed like everyone else was seeing something that I wasn’t seeing.
It’s a bit like when Moyes was here and I thought he was a disaster from the beginning, and yet it seemed like everyone else was seeing something that I wasn’t seeing.
Don't expect him to be entering the next season as Arsenal manager. Can't say I see too much method to his more recent decisions in the transfer window. It's almost vindictive, and seems more harmful than positive in any way.
Even the FA Cup can't really be used in the grand scheme of things.
Many average managers have won domestic cups in recent times.
I think you'll be disappointed then. I think Kronke will back him and back him quite heavily in the summer window.
That’s hilarious. How the mighty have fallen. Replace “Arteta” with “the manager” and that could have been written by a fan of any one of a number of mid-table clubs. It really is remarkable how effectively Arteta bas lowered expectations for (some) Arsenal fans.
Arteta will stay even we don't qualify for CL next season. The board is fully behind Edu and Arteta's project, for now.
Could realistically be 1 or 2 players left from that picture after the summer! 
Edit: Mavropanos should be greyed out as well.
Edit: Mavropanos should be greyed out as well.
The only good thing he’s done Cup aside is bring through a bunch of youngsters and even then he’s managed to alienate Saliba and lose Guendouzi. I don’t see anything positive about his style of football or management.Certainly done nothing to deserve the level of backing he’s got from the board. Can’t name another big club manager who’s been given the time and money and delivered such mediocre results without getting sacked.
I think he's doing a decent job when all is said and done. We had a poor few games at the start of the season due to covid and tough fixtures and then picked up.
January was also crap, but in a big part that was down to our complete lack of central midfielders thanks to AFCON and cards. The mistake was to loan AMN out at the start of the window rather than the end.
Think as long as we strengthen midfield and buy a decent striker we'll be in a much better position next season. If Arteta can't get a good league position then, I'll reevaluate him.
January was also crap, but in a big part that was down to our complete lack of central midfielders thanks to AFCON and cards. The mistake was to loan AMN out at the start of the window rather than the end.
Think as long as we strengthen midfield and buy a decent striker we'll be in a much better position next season. If Arteta can't get a good league position then, I'll reevaluate him.
He's got all his eggs in the Martinelli basket. And hoping Lacazette's legs can hold for 5 months. I think/hope we can at least get 6th and get back into Europe. 7th or worse and he should go. I feel like there is no scenario where we get Europe and replace him.
that is a fair target given the money spent in the summer. Arteta's man management skill leave a lot to be desired and cost the club quite a lot of money. I can't imagine the fall out with so many players will happen on Ancelotti.
It's depressing the amount of my fellow gooners who think he's doing a good job.
I am changing my opinion of him. He is doing well. He looks more relaxed in the job and he looks confident. Might come down to the head-to-head for 4th.
Still don't understand why he isn't rated on here. His squad is worse than ours and Spurs and they are playing well. Another good win. If he keeps this up, he could have Arsenal is the champion league, which was unimaginable before the start of the season. I believe they missed a boat in signing vlahovic. They could have been a stronger team if they put more effort into signing him
He took them to the incredible heights of 8th two seasons running. At a club with higher expectations he would never be in the job now. It's not exactly a brilliant record, is it?
He is Ole reincarnate. As long as he is in charge, Arsenal will remain irrelevant. Like us last season, he's taking advantage of the teams around him being shite rather than actually being any good.
It was only arguably “unimaginable“ because of their shit record in recent seasons under, checks notes, Mikel Arteta…
Arsenal have been in the mix for the top 4 under every manager ever and Arteta has spent more money than any Arseanal manager in Premier Lesgue history. By a huge margin. Unimaginable. Christ.
Aye it was he who dropped the standards really. He’s merely picking them back up. Also spurs squad is most definitely worse than Arsenals. Arsenal should get 4th and if they don’t Arteta should genuinely look for another career. He’s competing for 4th with two grossly underperforming muck clubs and a few mid table sides.
Eh?? Ask that question before the start of the season and nobody would have agreed. Nobody rated Ramsdale, White, Tavares etc etc as signings..
Find this take pretty silly really. United and Spurs both have more experienced managers and better squads..
Arteta has got us playing decent football, good shape, completely rebuilt the squad, and in the race for top 4.
Anyone who wants to discredit him is just doing it because they are stubborn imo.
There's entire threads on arsenal forums that discredit him.
As @PoTMS said above he’s getting the same helping hand that Ole got last season, with two of their closest rivals having such poor seasons they had to sack their manager. With an added bonus of no other competitions to play in (apparently they’ll only play just over 40 matches this season!) Ole rode that wave all the way to second place. Let’s see if Arteta can do the same (spoiler: he can’t)
Same thing goes for plenty of Arsenal fans. Lots wanted him out about 15 months ago and still want him out despite nothing in the past 15 months suggesting it.
He's done nothing so far to say we should be sacking him atm. Even if he finishes top 6, hes completely rebuilt the squad and got us structured and playing much better stuff. He's done a lot of work.
I think not having a top striker still might cost us in the top 4 race, but we'll see. Lacazette is decent but he really just isn't getting enough goals at all.
He's our Ole. Shouldn't even be here, he should be gone like Ole. I wrote this guy off a long time ago.
It would genuinely shock me if he gets top 4. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about him.
But I still stand by my prediction that he will never make it. Last season's Europa League implosion against Villareal and his horrific league position means that he can never win over me unless I physically hear that Champions League anthem at the Emirates again. Last season was unforgivable.
Arsenal board definitely rates him. Arteta will be given an extension to his existing contract. Vlahovic has zero interest joining Arsenal so nothing Edu can do. Any european football would be nice for next season. Edu probably is busy looking for a striker the club can afford this summer.
He never wanted to sign for anyone else but Juventus. They offered him mad wages and were prepared to give Fiorentina what they want. He was never going to Arsenal.
He's doing a good job. They play better football than us and odds on for top 4 which very few predicted pre season.
Do they really play good football?
They seem a lot better at not losing to mediocre teams these days.
Better than us doesn't need to be 'good' to be fair. Yeah, they are consistent at winning games they are favourites for.
Yes, we do.
But to be fair that has only really been since Auba got dropped. Before that we didn't create a massive amount still. But, since Auba got dropped we've played much better.
They're performing well this season and deserve credit for it.
Next season will allow us to see if this is going somewhere.
Next season will allow us to see if this is going somewhere.
I didn't rate him earlier this season and felt the players quality would carry us through. Got to give credit though, we are clearly playing as a cohesive team in and out of possession.
Arsenal will struggle next year when they have to play in Europe. They may scrape by into top 4 this year by virtue of having no european football and a favourable schedule. Next year the wheels will come off.
Said ages ago he has to be given some serious time because of the strategy Arsenal are taking and it wasn't popular, it was already decided the man is shite. Well..maybe he's not so shite after all. Nobody has any patience. It was all Emery did this, Emery did that...well who cares about Emery, he's a boring manager that plays depressing football and they took a gamble on Arteta, there was no point harping on about that water under the bridge and yet it became a very silly stick to beat Arteta with.
Young manager learning his trade, young players, transfer strategy aimed at the long game = time absolutely necessary. Even if they have a decent season it's not exactly time to get giddy, there's a long way to go to get them back playing well in Europe and an actual threat to win things. But it looks like they actually have a plan so fair play to them. It seems like they've managed to block out a fair bit of noise and they have backed Arteta.
If you're a club like Arsenal you've got to have some vision.
Young manager learning his trade, young players, transfer strategy aimed at the long game = time absolutely necessary. Even if they have a decent season it's not exactly time to get giddy, there's a long way to go to get them back playing well in Europe and an actual threat to win things. But it looks like they actually have a plan so fair play to them. It seems like they've managed to block out a fair bit of noise and they have backed Arteta.
If you're a club like Arsenal you've got to have some vision.
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Odegaard is an extremely good buy for £30m. Credit to Edu and Arteta.
Let's also see how Arse do when they go back to playing 2 times a week. It's OK when you have a week between matches but when the games are every 3-4 days it's difficult to give it your all.
People want to applaud Arteta but he's overseen some miserable stuff in his time there. I think he's lowered the standard so much that Arsenal now look good bring back to where they were at the end of Arsene's reign.
As I said before he's managed to stop losing to dross and he's cleared out a lot of trash. He might actually leave Arsenal in good shape but I don't think he's going to make Arsenal compete for the title nor finish top 4 regularly.
People want to applaud Arteta but he's overseen some miserable stuff in his time there. I think he's lowered the standard so much that Arsenal now look good bring back to where they were at the end of Arsene's reign.
As I said before he's managed to stop losing to dross and he's cleared out a lot of trash. He might actually leave Arsenal in good shape but I don't think he's going to make Arsenal compete for the title nor finish top 4 regularly.
No argument here. If he can do that he will be tier 1 manager/head coach in line with Klopp with the resource Arsenal has compared with Man City, United and Chelsea.
Arsenal have spent about 575m since 2017/2018. United about 660.
In fact in 2 of last 3 seasons arsenal have had the highest net spend in the league
Yeah, I keep reading Man Utd is a victim of the high spending of Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and soon Newcastle too. It must be hard for Man Utd playing catch up in transfer fee and wages with these clubs.
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What standard? I see Arsenal as much like ourselves, whatever the standards once were some time in the distant past...they no longer exist. There seems to be a constant harping back to where we both once were, but it's not Arteta that has overseen that collapse, the entire club has been on that trend.
They've become a team that flirts with the top four, is an occasional cup threat. A team that was once a top 4 shoe in but much like ourselves has seen their decline coincidence with a stronger depth in the league such that it's not automatic. That's about the height of their standard. Then you get into the detail, a team that wastes money, that is notorious for soft football, a club with off field problems, a club that has struggled to connect with its fans.
I think Arteta is the one starting at setting a standard. Not necessarily one that is hinting at immediate trophies but one that says we're not going to stockpile lazy, overpaid big name players that are an anchor on the club. One that will back youth despite the inconsistency that can arise. One that is happy to work with a speculative transfer strategy that he probably has a small say in without moaning and griping about it, which is not a given (hello Conte). One that seems to be very steadily improving players.
Whether all this becomes something tangible in the way of impressive league finishes and trophies I don't know but I don't think there ever was an Arsenal in a great situation in at least a decade. They need to build a standard to think about setting it any lower.