Embarassing stuff...
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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"Mr. Arteta, your managerial reign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
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Probably true, yeah.
But everything else notwithstanding...shouldn't it be pretty easy for the social media team (or whatever the feck they are) of a big football club to create bogus Twitter accounts without everyone and his granny immediately catching on to what they're doing?
Seems amateurish.
Which may be precisely what you'd expect, I suppose (sorry to all decent resident Arsenal fans).
Feck me this is a stupid PR exercise to try and make him look competent. You know you're in trouble if the coach of Feyenoord is saying your training isn't intense enough, and this is a guy that just got loaned a player from Arsenal so they presumably have a good relationship.
I doubt Arteta knew anything about it but the Arsenal media team have shafted him big time here.
I doubt Arteta knew anything about it but the Arsenal media team have shafted him big time here.
“Mikel? Who is Mikel?”
I really don't know what is more stupid. This PR stunt or the fact it proved that they still trust in Arteta.
The climb up the table is on!
The press have been aching for him to succeed.
But they act like he's managing some minnow, not a team like Arsenal.
It's quite bizarre.
But they act like he's managing some minnow, not a team like Arsenal.
It's quite bizarre.
Safe to say Arteta has a better team and squad at his disposal than Koeman has at Barca.
Does he ? Reading the forum lately we should be lucky to avoid relegation with a 50M defender that can't jump or head a ball, a laughing stock at GK, Auba counting his money and a bunch of unknown kids thrown around them that would not get a spot at Villa or West Ham.
Barca still have a top 5 GK in the world, DeJong, Pedri, Depay + Aguero-Dembele injured.
I think he will keep his job until January at least and get one last transfer window.
So now we have further evidence that Arsenal are indeed going full on propaganda mode for Arteta. This whole situation is just so surreal.
This twitter thing just feeds into a preconceived notion about Arteta...that he's such a weird unnatural creep.
Fans being enraged the media isn't "going hard enough" on managers will never not be funny
So you agree with the way "this forum" characterizes your players, then?
This 'treatment' of Arteta really seems to wind people up doesn't it? Was thinking about our situation on the Barca thread. The Barca fans in general realise its a mess that's going to take a few years to sort & the realisation has dawned on them & they seem OK with that, but a lot of comments from rival fans saying even though they are a mess Barca should never be seen to be just playing for top 4 etc, & a lot mirroring the comments on our thread. Opposing fans seem more upset that fans don't demand instant success straight away.
On a Utd forum, considering the way Ole has been treated by the media vs how Arteta has been, it makes perfect sense. Also, I think labelling it "not going in hard enough" is disingenuous - I think a more balanced and fair assessment of his work would be appreciated. From the beginning there has been a strong positive bias for him, which can't really be explained, nor backed up by his work since he's taken over. I think it's rather understandable that people are surprised about how great media he gets for seemingly very poor work. It's like if I were getting plaudits in my job for shitty work - I can understand that people would raise an eyebrow at it.
It's 90% because he's handsome, 10% because he worked with Pep, let's be honest.
A big difference for me is demand & expectation. You guys tell us enough, you are 1 of the top 3 biggest clubs in the world, top 3 revenues, most successful club in England. The winning machine under Fergie is still fresh in everyone's memory, you just resigned a player that was a part of that.
As much as I loved Wenger, he won us trophies, sculpted some very good teams, made us the modern club we are today, we were never a winning machine under him. The last league title was nearly 20 years ago, the fall away has been over a longer length of time.
Arteta is under pressure, & that's from the fans. Even if like you think, the media don't pile in on him, unless results get better, the fans certainly will, thats for sure, & no nicely spun PR will save him from that.
That has nothing to do with the point that was being discussed though, and with the apparent love-in from the media and certain outlets specifically. But whatever, if you think he's being treated on an equal footing with his peers, cool.
Things like this annoy me because of how media analysis and thus the tone of how things are reported, which, like it or not, is very loud and responsible for a lot of what we see and hear around us, is skewed in terms of players versus managers.
Players are bashed all the time by media and journalists, their names are dragged through the mud, whereas managers are given a comparatively easier time, by and large, which to me isn’t fair, as managers are just as important a cog as any player, and the ones responsible for keeping the machine functioning properly. However far too often managers are given an easy time while all the blame is tossed at the players, yet when something good happens there’s a rush to heap accolades on the manager.
Barcelona is a unique situation in that they’re broke and in considerable debt. Their situation isn’t due to sporting reason. Any club that was in that position their fans would be understanding that it will take time to get back to the top. The situation isn’t comparable with Arsenal. You guys have spent more money than most clubs in football.
It was moronic behavior from the media.
That doesn't mean it should be how they treat other managers as well.
In general I think a more nuanced, balanced and understanding perspective of the difficulties managers face in the sport is a better approach from the media than the usual crap from them. And it should be applied to Ole as much as it should be applied to Arteta.
From what I’ve seen, it winds up the fans on Arsenal Mania too tbf. They have a particular issue with the Athletic’s weirdly positive spin on everything Arteta does.
The thing is, it doesn't matter how glowing the media is about him. If he doesn't improve results soon, he'll be walked out his office.
That being said, results don't 100% correlate to what's going on behind the scenes. And the Athletic are well within their rights to provide more context.
Im not saying he's treated on an equal footing, it just doesn't annoy me as much as it seems to annoy people in here. I don't particularly pay that much attention to the press that Ole gets, or anyone else for that matter, to the extent I need to comment on it all the time anyway.
Also, don't forget that a lot of what comes out are from the media are ex Utd players, or ex rivals of Utd. I've listened to Andy Goldstein & Jamie O'Hara for example go all in on Arteta & Arsenal on Talksport the first few weeks of the season, & take great pleasure in doing so. I wouldn't expect anything less though.
Have Barcelona not spent more money than most clubs in football like previously? Barca is unique in the fact that they have sanctions they need to abide by just now, but when able to they will still spend a lot to get themselves better. What's not unique is that Barcelona got themselves into a poor situation by spending a lot of money, & spending it poorly. Arsenal have done likewise & find themselves in a poor position.
I’m not disputing that as I haven’t actually read the coverage in question. Was just pointing out that it’s not just United fans or oppos who have an issue with how Arteta seems to get a lot of protection in the media.
The treatment of Arteta by the media is just as moronic, just differently. It's not nuanced, balanced or understanding, it's totally bias while not taking into consideration the reality of what he is doing.
90 % because he worked with Pep, 10 % because he didn't lose his hair in the process.
Fair. I actually remember some on here furious at positive Ole coverage during one of our ruts
That’s absolutely splendid news. 3 wins on the bounce, that will keep Lego Pep in the job until the end of the season.
Fair. I actually remember some on here furious at positive Ole coverage during one of our ruts
Yeah, applies to whoever the fans dislike at the moment I guess. A while back there was some fury that how pundits wouldn’t criticise Rashford. Before that there was Rooney. And etc.
Arsenal Mania seems mainly Arteta Out already from the little I've seen, so many are agenda driven already. However, I do agree about The Athletic in particular, it does seem very pro Arteta.
My post was slightly tongue in cheek, but 3 wins in the bounce certainly beats 3 defeats on the bounce, so I'll take that I suppose.
No, i don't
It's 2 wins in a row not 3. And them wins have both been been close 1-0 wins against Burnley who wil be fighting relegation, and Norwich who are definitely getting relegated.
I forgot West Brom in the cup was before Man City, apologies.
Well even then, Arsenal have won them games because they are against teams fighting relegation or are in the division below.
We will know where Arsenal are at after another few weeks of fixtures.
At present the league is kind of evened out for them as they have had to play Chelsea and City and then easier teams. So it's probably unfair to judge them too harshly at present.
Aside from the Brentford game, every other result has been quite expected really.
Yep, totally agree. Spurs game on Sunday a big game for both teams, then Brighton, Palace, Villa & Leicester. Awkward games on paper, but will give a good indication of where we are. Good test for the new GK & defence as well.
So he's got 6 points from the first 5 games, in order to reach the 18 points from 10 games benchmark we set as a bare minimum, he needs 12 points, or 4 wins from the next 5 games. It's not impossible..
Yep, I've been keeping an eye on this as well.
Don't like to look too far ahead mind you, Spurs is a big game for both clubs / managers you feel. Think it's been over 10 years since Spurs won at The Emirates in the league, so if we had to lose that 1 you would imagine the fans would not be happy at all.
Sure, losing the NLD at home would be very bad. And then you already lost to Chelsea at home.Yep, I've been keeping an eye on this as well.
Don't like to look too far ahead mind you, Spurs is a big game for both clubs / managers you feel. Think it's been over 10 years since Spurs won at The Emirates in the league, so if we had to lose that 1 you would imagine the fans would not be happy at all.
I mean you don't have to convince me, I'd replace Arteta yesterday. But in terms of points, he could still reach our benchmark which with 1.8 points per game isn't actually very low. And ultimately, points matter most.
I don't think you'll lose against Spurs though. That game has draw written all over it. And then I don't see you beating all of Brighton, Palace, Villa and Leicester either.