It’s not allowed. Apparently very strict what VAR can get involved in.
Michael Oliver
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That was worthy of stepping in. I mean it was a goal, that is what VAR should be used for, especially if the other technology isn't working or not powered up. No flexibility, so not surprised.
I get it for small fouls, small mistakes and yellow cards etc.. but goals, penalties and red cards should always be reviewed, no matter the circumstances.
Yeah undoubtedly worthy of stepping in, the rules should be changed.
Phew... thought he was reffing our game for a minute
I'm most annoyed this isn't entirely Oliver's fault, tbh.
Did he do his stupid staring into space "I've bollocksed it up again but I'm not listening" face when the players were harassing him?
Did he do his stupid staring into space "I've bollocksed it up again but I'm not listening" face when the players were harassing him?
Is it actually a rule that VAR can't step in and make a decision if the technology which is supposed to do that job fails?
And if so, why? It's like the rule where governing bodies can't overturn a refereeing decision if the referee saw and reported on it, why does football insist on being so difficult?
The ref didn't see it, the technology failed, VAR could have put that right in less than 30 seconds, but it supposedly wasn't allowed to. For once, I feel a bit sorry for for Michael Oliver. He'll get a lot of heat for it, yet he will have been trusting the technology which has worked perfectly up to that point.
And if so, why? It's like the rule where governing bodies can't overturn a refereeing decision if the referee saw and reported on it, why does football insist on being so difficult?
The ref didn't see it, the technology failed, VAR could have put that right in less than 30 seconds, but it supposedly wasn't allowed to. For once, I feel a bit sorry for for Michael Oliver. He'll get a lot of heat for it, yet he will have been trusting the technology which has worked perfectly up to that point.
On the Premier League broadcast they were saying that VAR could have intervened.
It definitely is allowed they cleared that up after the game.
That's reassuring to know, I didn't watch the post-match. It was suggested in this thread that it's not allowed, but glad that isn't the case.
I am assuming it hasn't been explained why they didn't intervene?
From the broadcast it sounded like they suggested that since this has never happened and goal line tech is always right the VARs just assumed it was again and didn’t care to verify it right.
Karma?
I dread him refereeing United games, especially against top 4.
He seems to take blatantly wrong decisions just to show that he is the referee and has power over the players for 90+ mins
Shouldn't be a Premier league referee. Glad to be able to say this away from united games as it gets confused for bias.
He is absolutely awful gets a free ride from the media because of some misguided idea that because he started young he must be good.
Since lockdown he's been involved in 3 of the most controversial decisions. He is a controversy magnet and seems detested by a lot of managers.
I can't speak to how he is as a man. As a referee I detest him, I think he's absolutely awful and fully suspect makes decisions based on biases and personal grudges.
He is absolutely awful gets a free ride from the media because of some misguided idea that because he started young he must be good.
Since lockdown he's been involved in 3 of the most controversial decisions. He is a controversy magnet and seems detested by a lot of managers.
I can't speak to how he is as a man. As a referee I detest him, I think he's absolutely awful and fully suspect makes decisions based on biases and personal grudges.
What games has he officiated? I actually thought the other day how I don't recall actually seeing him post lock down
He had the first game back where fair enough supposedly his watch was fecked but missed a ball a yards
over the line. (can he insist on var if he expects his tech was broken) then he had Brighton arsenal VAR and now tonight's VAR. Even when he's not on the pitch he's the talking point
Ah yes I do remember the first game now, don't tend to take any notice when they say who's manning VAR
He seems incapable of refereeing a match without making some kind of feck up.
I’m unsure how that decision is his fault when he followed the rules correctly.
Lost all respect for him as a ref after this happened and he did f*ck all about it.
He's the definition of medicore
He is garbage IMO. I think i dislike him the most. The others have some issues as well, but Oliver is a proper twat. It changes weekly which ref is more incompetent, but Oliver is far up my list consistently.
I feel the same way. The rule is idiotic, there's nothing wrong with Oliver following it. Also the ball over the line incident, I'm not quite sure how he's at fault there - in his position, if I'm relying on a technology that has been fullproof until then, even if I had a doubt, I'd have made the same call as him.
People talk about his bias, but they're just as bad in the sense that there's a narrative that he's awful, and every controversial decision made will be seen as a feck up by him and never perceived the other way around.
I don't think he's an amazing referee by any means, but he's not as bad as people are making him out to be.
Always have been a poor ref.
Completely agree.
This clown was at it again last night.
We need to pray to the football Gods that he isn’t named referee vs Leicester.
If he is, we’re done. Bloke absolutely loathes United.
I don’t think he’s ever given us a pen or a red card to the team against us. And our record with him as referee is abysmal. Without looking I think we’ve won only like 30% of matches.
If he is, we’re done. Bloke absolutely loathes United.
I don’t think he’s ever given us a pen or a red card to the team against us. And our record with him as referee is abysmal. Without looking I think we’ve won only like 30% of matches.
He's only reffed us once in the league this season.. That seems odd.
Martin Atkinson is the ref on Sunday.
Oliver has West Ham/Villa.
I do still find it strange he's only reffed us for one match this season.
Oliver has West Ham/Villa.
I do still find it strange he's only reffed us for one match this season.
Strange, but I'm not complaining. Instead, we've had Jon Moss three times since the return last month.
That was another horrendous howler from Michael Oliver on Saturday. No action against Pickford, wtf?
Martial gers a red card and a 3 match ban for tapping Lamela's face after being elbowed in the throat. Pickford wipes out Van Dijk for the season and nothing given.
Let's not forget that Oliver was the ref who failed to give a clear goal in the Aston Villa v Sheffield United match in the summer.
I wonder when we will have to suffer him reffing a United match again. I always dread him being in charge of our games.
Martial gers a red card and a 3 match ban for tapping Lamela's face after being elbowed in the throat. Pickford wipes out Van Dijk for the season and nothing given.
Let's not forget that Oliver was the ref who failed to give a clear goal in the Aston Villa v Sheffield United match in the summer.
I wonder when we will have to suffer him reffing a United match again. I always dread him being in charge of our games.
Has the most punchable face ever.
Especially when he had those stupid notches cut into his hair.
How can Michael Oliver and VAR not give a red card to Ashley Barnes? Led with his elbow, caught Alderweireld in the face, cut above his eye. Lengthy delay whilst patched up.
Nothing given, while Martial serves a three match ban ...
Nothing given, while Martial serves a three match ban ...
The decision I couldn’t understand was how the player who hauled Son down didn’t end up with a card.
Pope was waaaaay out of goal and if Son gets a shot or even a pass to Lucas it’s an easy score into a wide open net.
Yet the Burnley player hauls Son down and nothing is given.
He's one of the worst referees in England.
Discussions about any referee are wrought with fan-bias and a sense of persecution. It’s usually completely unfair in terms of the way fans watch and remember football matches.
How often can we name refs who made big decisions in our favour? How often do we discuss refs who remained pretty anonymous throughout the 90?
In general, ref chat is utterly glib and goes nowhere other than towards dull sanctimonious witterings.
How often can we name refs who made big decisions in our favour? How often do we discuss refs who remained pretty anonymous throughout the 90?
In general, ref chat is utterly glib and goes nowhere other than towards dull sanctimonious witterings.
You’re posting this as a response to people on a United board bumping a thread in order to level criticism at a referee for not sending a Burnley player off against Tottenham.
Matchday thread musings should be taken with a huge pinch of salt, but I don’t really see your point right here.
My point - which wasn’t partizan - is that analysis of referees by fans is often characterised by bias and lacks perspective even outside of matchday discourse.
I chose this thread as it was about a referee. The post above mine is the sort of thing that gets lashed around about every referee. I don’t like it.