And all despite being massively overrated by just about everyone.
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And all despite being massively overrated by just about everyone.
I'd wager its the opposite. Cahill is massively underated. He may not be world class defender but he is a very reliable and dependable one. But guys act on here like he is a struggling to beat relegation level talent.
Never heard anyone hyping up Cahill. In fact, most of the talk I hear about him are people shitting on him.
He's a solid performer every game and is one of the highest scoring CB's ever for whatever that's worth.
In PL history I mean. Heard it the other day during one of our matches. I could be mistaken.
With good reason, he's overhyped. Came from Bolton for 50p and never performed without a proper defender next to him e.g. Terry,
Michael Keane has played (almost) every PL match this season alongside the same partner in central defence. He performs in a defence that typically sits fairly deep. I think he's a good player but the situation at United is rather different: less likely to get a long run of games, several different potential partners, we control possession far more than Burnley, any minor error that costs us a goal is likely to highlighted.
Do not want. This type of signing is a sideways step, it doesn't improve our defence at all as he wouldn't get in the team ahead of Rojo or Bailly. So its a £30m backup player who is more reliable than Jones/Smalling fitness wise but not necessarily much better than either.
That alone is worth the £30m
I realize we're United and can afford it, but 30mil for a backup CB? Boggles the mind. I realize it's also the market, but at that price, I do not want. Maybe if you told me we got rid of Smalling and/or Jones at 15-20 mil, I can see justifying the 30 mil for Keane.
He wouldn't cost 30m anyway. Only one year left on his contract and I'm sure I have read that we get something like 25% of any future sale so that obviously brings the price down.
John Stones...
Pickford and Keane would be a lovely summer for us. 
He really only has 1 year left on his contract :O We should tap him up and tell him to wait until next year
Pickford and Keane would be a lovely summer for us.
Not if Lukaku and Barkley are on their way out..
A quality backup CB is worth almost as much as a starting CB cos with injuries and suspension they tend to see more actions than backup players in other areas.
We need a quality backup or starting CB. If not Keane at 30m, then who? cos Smalling and Jones have shown they cannot be relied on to be available when needed.
I will take a £30m Keane over a £50m overrated Van Dijk who will be coming off a major injury.
I hope we dont sign him but think some are under-estimating him a tad. He'd do well in a Jose set up.
Well, if that's the case, why don't we just spend £20m on someone who's around the same level as Keane? IE - quite a lot of CB's.
Please list some?
The top and bottom of signing Keane is because hes ex Utd. If he were ex Everton for example we wouldnt even be discussing it on here or in the press. Worldwide there's lots of better options, and we now have Tuanzebe who is finally being given a chance, so for me its a no.
So you would have Tuanzebe start PL games for us? No thank you. Instead the kid should be sent out on loan to get the minutes that would help him develop further.
I hope we sign Keane. We need a Keane at United.
No but he can come and play the last 15 -20 mins if/when we are 3 up against teams hopefully next season, otherwise you are going to have another 'Michael Keane' on your hands when he gets disalusional and signs for a 'Burnley' in the next couple of years, then after playing decent, a lot on here will be wanting to sign him back.
Want back.
Exactly, Keane left here because he wanted to play and now we are talking about bringing him back and thus lessening the potential game time of the new youth CB who looks to have a lot more in his skillset to develop, it's crazy.
I don't get why people care so much about how much players cost
If we had exactly £25m to spend and spent it all on Keane then I'd understand. But nobody knows what we have, so why do people care?
If we had exactly £25m to spend and spent it all on Keane then I'd understand. But nobody knows what we have, so why do people care?
You wont know how the game will turn out so you cant put him on the bench expecting we will be 3-0 up. Except maybe in cup tie second legs where the tie is a foregone conclusion.
At this stage, what the kid needs most is lots of playing time at a the right level, not some 3-5 20mins cameo over an entire season.
The right process is first you send him out on loan for one or two seasons. If he shows enough quality to be a core part of the first team rotation you can keep him. If still undecided, you sell him with a buyback clause. That process should take the kid to 23-25yrs by which time it usually fairly clear at what level he will perform for the rest of his career
When a player is young, they need as much playing time as they can get to continue their development.
Leaving a youth on the bench for the occasional cameo is quite bad for their development. Unless the youth has developed enough to be a part of the core rotation, he should be sent out on loan.
Keane issue arose because LvG sold him for peanuts with no buyback option. That fault lies firmly with LvG.
Even if Keane never developed into a United quality, a buyback option would have allowed United to buy him back and resell for a higher fee if his value ever rose, instead of waiting for the paltry sell on portion.
I dont agree with that. If Utd dont play the same way as the team you loan him out to, or in the same league then you cant judge how the player will perform here. Most players loaned out dont come back and play for the owning club these days, if they are a big club, they are usually sent out to be in the shop window. How many in the last few years have gone out on loan and come back to be a success. If hes good enough he should be showing promise straight away, which in the case of Tuanzebe he did. Lets try him here first before we go down the loan away path.
I think it'll all come down to price. If we could effectively swap Smalling for Keane I think that would give us more options, as he shouldnt spend half the season injured.
If it's 25m that's crazy, and should be enough to get more quality from the continent.
If it's 25m that's crazy, and should be enough to get more quality from the continent.
Fecking Van Gaal.
I think Woodward and co need to be held accountable for the details of the sale, LvG is a coach, he's not a Fergie or Wenger type that had their hands in everything at the club. We've been slack for years when it comes to our sales policy, especially regarding academy products, we put the player before the club.
Doesn't he lack a helluva lot of pace to be a top class modern Xbox, or was that the other guy, Thorpe or something?
Yes he will never be a top class modern Xbox or any old type of Xbox either. You need incredible pace to evolve into an Xbox these days.
Funny man. The best teams tend to sit much higher up the pitch than the bottom half teams do. Therefore, the top teams' defenders face different types of defending.
Thats ridiculous. So do you only buy players from only teams that play the way you do? Do all United managers play the same way or should we sell all the players every time we get a new manager?
Courtois, Kroos, Casemiro are just a few that went on loan before returning to start at their teams.
If Chelsea had a buyback option on Lukaku or De Bruyne, they could have bought them back, and if not retained, sold for a higher profit.
No matter how much promise a teenager has, without regular playing time, his growth will be stunted. There are very few generational talents that can break into the rotation of a club like United when they are still U21
I don't want him back.
Tuanzebe and Fosu-Mensah have higher ceilings in my opinion. And then you have Bailly and Rojo who are above him.
Tuanzebe and Fosu-Mensah have higher ceilings in my opinion. And then you have Bailly and Rojo who are above him.
To be fair he's never had a 'coach for the tackles'....Martinez is Pep-lite and both praised/encouraged his overly elaborate use of the ball while neglecting to actually isolate and eradicate his core defensive flaws; if he'd had a few seasons with a Mourinho, a Conte or a Pocchettino he'd be a very good player now.
Regarding Keane, he'd be an upgrade on Smalling and Jones IMO, and also potentially a great partner for Bailly stylistically. Not every signing needs a #hashtag and statement transfer fee; Keane would be a very useful player.
Keane would be decent. I would like to see Tuanzebe and Bailly pair up.
I don't get why Keane and Tuanzebe's interests are conflicted with each other. Tuanzebe is likely to be continue easing in by Mourinho at RB whilst getting odd games at CB regardless of which defender we'll sign or even if we don't sign any CB. Keane will compete for the spot alongside Bailly, and looking at our current set of CBs he's likely to be the winner (before Rojo's back anyway). By the time Tuanzebe's more mature he can take over Keane in the pecking order if he shows more promises than the former. Same with Fosu-Mensah and RoShaun Williams since everyone will functioning eyes can see Jones and Smalling aren't gonna last long at this club.
About singing a "world class" player to partner with Bailly, when is the last time we signed a defender who was world-class before he came to us? Historically we provide the platform for those players to reach that level. Of course that player next season wouldn't necessarily be Keane, could well be Fonte or Marquinhos or whoever but the point stands. And considering how much money City spent to their defenders I think this is the right approach.
About singing a "world class" player to partner with Bailly, when is the last time we signed a defender who was world-class before he came to us? Historically we provide the platform for those players to reach that level. Of course that player next season wouldn't necessarily be Keane, could well be Fonte or Marquinhos or whoever but the point stands. And considering how much money City spent to their defenders I think this is the right approach.
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