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Music Michael Jackson is Dead (All general comment)
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I don't think you do.
Spoons, go to fecking bed!
I think Spoony is worse than Harold Shipman.
Also the DA is deciding on the MJ case next week.
Murray is an ubertwat hasnt paid back his medical school loans either
Who's heard the 'new' song? I like it.
I like it but I was a bit underwhelmed to be perfectly honest. If that's the best they could find out of hundreds of unreleased songs then I don't hold much hope for his other stuff.
I could, and probably am, be wrong.
I could, and probably am, be wrong.
I don't think it's being released because it's the best thing he has yet to come out with, more that the lyrics and mood of the song suit a nice slow-mo montage to accompany the end of the film.
That's feasible.
Skelter - The voice of reason.
Skelter - The voice of reason.
He's not still dead is he?
They only chose it because it had This is it in it's lyrics I suspect. No wonder it's under whelming.
everything he's done in the last 20 years has been underwhelming...i doubt that'll stop now...especially as he's dead
So it's been all groundbreaking since Bad then?
No one could ever achieve that
However Albums like Dangerous still out sold every other album around in their time period. (Heck even the alleged flop Invincible still out sold every other album in the year it was released). He also had 2 ground breaking videos like Black or White and Scream in that same period you mentioned. Not to mention best grossing world tours too. "20 years of underwhelming" is gross hyperbole. By any standards.
selling well doesn't = overwhelming
I couldn't really give a shit about 'groundbreaking videos" he didn't direct them did he?
The music has been pretty dross since Bad. Smooth Criminal was the last great song he did IMO. Everything else is samey and rather bland. Over produced, undermelodic and full of annoying vocal ticks....Shamon
I couldn't really give a shit about 'groundbreaking videos" he didn't direct them did he?
The music has been pretty dross since Bad. Smooth Criminal was the last great song he did IMO. Everything else is samey and rather bland. Over produced, undermelodic and full of annoying vocal ticks....Shamon
What was ground breaking about Scream?
Other than the new found ability to spend record amounts of money on increasingly toss videos?
Damn, I fear I contradicted myself there
Other than the new found ability to spend record amounts of money on increasingly toss videos?
Damn, I fear I contradicted myself there
To be honest, the best part about Thriller was the video. I wouldn't buy the mp3 track for a cent.
When Michael used to write his music, the quality was much better
When Michael used to write his music, the quality was much better
The remix album in 1997 was superb, Blood on The Dance Floor and Morpheine are two cracking songs.
I like a lot of his stuff since Bad, and I know Mockney likes They Don't Really Care About Us.
That > Toxic.
I am not wrong.
I like a lot of his stuff since Bad, and I know Mockney likes They Don't Really Care About Us.
That > Toxic.
I am not wrong.
It's price tag
It definitely doesn't equal to under whelming either. Besides plenty of the music during that time was still top stuff. Whether you believe it or not.
They are part and parcel of his creativity. Bringing his own ideas of visual performance to light. You can't ignore them. Whether you give a shit or not about them.
Thanks for the bolded part. For In this case your opinion is full of misplaced hyperbole to say the least.
Sure, things like Black or White, Who is it, What more Can I Give and Give in to me in are samey and "under melodic"
To those who haven't, you should watch the full Ghosts video
This.
....oh god...someone else who thinks Jackson was a musical behemoth...I hate to break your heart Chief, but he wasn't....In fact not by a long shot. But before you get upset, try and remember that your opinion is no more valid than mine..Even his greatest work, Billie Jean, Thriller, Smooth Criminal, Bad, Beat It, are all extremely limited musically. One looped 4 bar riff permeates through all of them, with only Jacksons vocal toplining deciding any change in the melody. They have some elements of decent melody of course...I didn't say non melodic, but they are certainly 'under melodic' and certainly his pretty dire new stuff of the last 10-20 years (Black & White...one riff), especially when compared to people of that time who could actually write music, like Stevie Wonder, or Elton John. Please don't compare him to proper musical greats....His forte was the entertainment.
The main attraction of Jackson was the dancing, the entertainment, the voice, the persona...the songs were the weakest part of that package...certainly after Bad. He also struggled to keep up with the times. Only Earth Song registered as any kind of attempt to try something else that succeeded. In general he never moved passed the 80s with their disco-esqu beat, keyboard synth riffs and extravagant clothing...hardly a trail blazer...In fact his influence was almost zilch on the Pop world passed about 1995.
So, basically, my opinon holds no sway....yours is definitive. Well Done...I have a low opinion of your opinion
What? It was directed by Hype Williams...not Jackson, and Jackson's 'idea's' about space dancing were pretty wank to be honest IMO....whether or not you give a shit about them.
I have...Thriller Mark II....brimming with original new idea's he was
Thriller Mark II? Its better than Thriller!!
Also, you may not have known, but in Ghosts, the mayor of the town, old dude, is actually played by MJ too.
For those who are interested, here is a clip from the TII rehearsals that wasn't in the originial promo.
YouTube - NEW Michael Jackson Human Nature This Is It 1 Min 11 Seconds AMAZING VOCALS
Yes he should really have gotten an Oscar for that
Yes...but the SAME vocals he used in every other song....since 1977
Look, I think MJ was factastic...and the best at what he did...But I balk at his die hard fans trying to elevate him to the status of musical, song writing genius, which I'm afraid, is a status he is unworthy of...Musically, he didn't have that much effect on the industry.
Shame on him for having the same voice.
Musically the greatest ever? Thats a debate and everybody will have their own opinions.
But, from an all round entertainer, singer, dancer, writer, producer and showman, he is the greatest ever. imo
doesn't stop him from doing the same thing with that voice in every song...hee hee
most of those are fairly undebatable
And this certainly is...because it's not even close to being true...(to use the Chief's tactics)....regardless of your opinion
Christ! I have nothing to get upset about.
My opinion is backed by many folks in the music industry itself. Besides, I haven't engaged in any hyperbole like you've been doing.
What's the difference? Worse still you said most of the the songs since Smooth Criminal where all the same. Which is a joke to say the least.
No offence but Qunicy Jones, a musical great ranks him as a genius. So do people like Stevie Wonder and Sir Paul MCartney. I'm inclined to believe them and my own ears rather than you.
Frankly the music has always been the weakest part of his package. But no where near as weak as you've been making out. His decline musically actually started after Dangerous. Not Bad.
That is not really true. "Dangerous" was very much an album with the times. So was an album like "Invincible". However after "Dangerous" his music took a back sit to controversy and the weirdness of his personal life. & his music never really recovered from that crisis.
Actually Earth Song was the one of the few times post "Dangerous" that he actually went back to his tried and tested formula for making good music. His attempts at moving from his original style proved mostly terrible.
Post 95 his influence on music was zilch mainly because instead of listening to his music folks were reading and hearing about him and his weird life.
I'm just airing the opinion of many professionals in the music industry. If you want to say that opinions from folks like Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones counts for nothing be my guest.
I'm certain you are more ill informed than they on that topic.
So? Have you seen anyone say Michael directed it?
I see. Basically every thing Jackson did is wank post Smooth Criminal?
You really think anyone can take such an opinion seriously?
Every top singer has vocals that are their trademark. But so claim he did the same thing in every song is simply hyperbole.
In your opinion. No one said he is the best that ever was muscially. But to rank him as some sort of also ran like you are doing is laughable.
Sure, that is why so many artists around today world wide actually mimic his vocal and musical style.
Christ! I have nothing to get upset about.
My opinion is backed by many folks in the music industry itself. Besides, I haven't engaged in any hyperbole like you've been doing.
No..Just Hagiography
non and under are 2 different words with 2 different meanings.
Samey....and they are. It was hardly a Beatles-esque depart from one style to another....It was the same sythy pop hee hee, shamon stuff
Pele thinks El Hadj Diouff is one of the 100 greatest Living footballers.....Furthermore are you sure they said he was a genius 'Songwriter'? or just a genius?...different thing
Well I would disagree...Most people would say Off The Wall, Thriller & Bad are his classic albums...Dangerous was middle of the road for me
No they weren't particularly. They certainly weren't a soundtrack to the times. To Jacko's rabid fans they might have been...but not to most.
Not really...it sounds nothing like his 80s stuff
They were doing that in the late 80s too..The allegations started around then admittedly...but thats a neat way of excusing why he wasn't producing any universally praised music....it's always something with jack fans
Thats just a crap argument Chief. They're his friends for a start...it's like people who shout us down on here for questioning Fergie. It sort of betrays any real substance to your beliefs ...yeah well he said it. The music industry was a back slapping one at the best of times....I'm sure I could find thousands of people calling him a musical genius...it helps that he's just died of course. Genius at entertainment..but not at song writing for me
Well you're claiming I should be giving him the bulk of the credit for it
I think it was rather 'underwhelming' and nothing particularly special. Your an odd ball if you think he produced his best work 'after' it. Jacko fans are interminable sometimes, refusing to accept even the slightest criticism of the man. Put it this way... If his career had begun after Smooth Criminal...he wouldn't be thought of in even a fraction of the way he is now
Yes....I do
And calling him a musical genius isn't hyperbole Chief?....what is that exactly then?
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is laughable chief...it's just your way.
His vocal style isn't his song writing style. He had a fantastic voice, I'm not denying that...but quite a lot of artists have managed to make disparate music with the same voice...his dancing, his vocals and his sense of spectacle have influenced almost every facet of modern music...but there aren't that many songs around that sound like his...whether they have hee hee's and chuck chuck-ka cha ooows!! in them or not
Stranger in Moscow
...is alright....it's not stairway to heaven though is it
Proven fact. Because other known musical geniuses rank him as one. Whether you agree with them or not.
I see so now I'm called Qunicy Jones or Stevie Wonder? For not ranking MJ as a musical also ran?
It has little to do with agreeing with me. But this constantly escapes you for some reason.
I never said they were.
They aren't many that sound like his but there are their. Enough of them to know he has impacted the industry in a big way.
How can you not call Jackson a genius..guy was a one-off, the likes of Usher, Timberlake..most of the modern RnB industry have been inspired by him. I'm with the Chief on this one.. fair enough the last decade of his career was poor by his standards but even a single like 'Rock my World' puts many other contempory artists to shame.
Nah for me he was a great singer and entertainer. But musically and especially lyrically he wasn't a genius. In fact the less said about the writing the better, his songs were never meant to be lyrically astounding. Like most pop music it was just ordinarily written songs, albeit a litter better than normal pop music.
I was absolutely mad about MJ growing up but my tastes have changed and it's I can make the distinction now. In terms of popularity he was unrivaled during his time, but musically I rate many others higher than him. What he did was entertain. Whether it was the dancing, the videos or the the style of music that was hardly 'classic' but always a 'blockbuster'. For me, I would always pick a 'Stairway to heaven' or tons of other rock classics ahead of any MJ song because of so many reasons, no least of which the song writing.
As someone who writes and composes his own music, I think MJ was fabulous, a great singer and entertainer but overall I'd place many artists over him. One thing about him. IMO his good songs were really good, the rest were rubbish.
How was 'Rock my world' even a decent song? It's such an average song. Despite my disgust with music today, there are tons of songs far better than that, even today. It puts noone in shame.