Music Michael Jackson is Dead (All general comment)

WeasteDevil said:
Musically, he wasn't. And I lived through his rise to massive stardom with the moonwalk and Thriller. In all honesty, more people were talking about the video than the song, which in all fairness was crap. You can maybe blame Quincy Jones for all of that though. You probably weren't even a seed in your daddy's ball bag!
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The video was revolutionary. The song was legendary, and I was born 6 years later!

Fair enough if you're not a fan of his music, that's fine. To call him 'not very good' though is a bit silly, regardless of your views, because clearly he was. He was probably the biggest solo artist of all time.

Diver said:
At the moment i'm low on cash so i won't get it. It's not really that high up on my list of things. Now if it was a new album and the only way i could hear it was to fork out the dosh then i'd definately part with the money.
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Ah sweet. I'm looking forward to his new song on October 12th, then the movie on the 28th. In fact I'm looking forward to all his new stuff that will be released over the coming years. He had such a great repatoire of songs.

Refund. The tickets aren't really that rare & i'm not overly sentimental so i'll be getting a refund. I have no use for a flashy bit of card worth £70 :D
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You should have used it as a prize in DSHL!!

I was looking forward to the gig so much though, i've been seeing bands since i can remember (first gig i saw was the Specials when i was 3), and i've pretty much seen all of the main acts i want to see (that i can/could see) and MJ was the one i genuinely thought could blow them all away. It was surreal when i found out he'd died, i was in insomniac mode & for some reason decided to turn the news on (i can't remember ever settling down to watch the news or what possessed me to turn the news on at that time) and i saw the first breaking report live. My first thought was it had to be a joke & then when i realised it was real i felt so pissed off (sounds horrible) as i will never get to see that gig i was so close to seeing.
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That was the same with me. I had work the next morning so had to be up at 4:30am, so I went to go to bed about 10:30pm and something just said to me turn the news on. Don't know what or why but I did and it was running with the story he'd been rushed to hospital and that TMZ were reporting him dead. I ended up staying up the whole night and going to work without any sleep. Took a few days for it to fully sink in though, I'd never been as shocked by a celebrity death before, nor did I think I ever would be.

I'd be absolutely gutted if I had tickets to a concert; they were going to be brilliant. Going off the rehersal footage anyway.
 
esmufc09 said:
The video was revolutionary. The song was legendary, and I was born 6 years later!

Fair enough if you're not a fan of his music, that's fine. To call him 'not very good' though is a bit silly, regardless of your views, because clearly he was. He was probably the biggest solo artist of all time.
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Wait a minute, I never said that I didn't like his music, I simply said that he was not "very" good, in that his music as a solo artist is nowhere near as good nor important as his hardline fans make it out to be. The video for Thriller was only revolutionary at the time because he was mad enough to spend a full feature film budget on it. It has dated badly though, as has most of his music, because at the end of the day it was all about marketing and theatre rather than any real substance.
 
How can an artist like him go from writing "Can you feel it" to then singing somebody else's song in "Thriller"? I've told you already, Quincy Jones changed the entire dynamic of it, and it was downhill as soon as he got involved (apart from the sales aspect of course).
 
WeasteDevil said:
The video for Thriller was only revolutionary at the time because he was mad enough to spend a full feature film budget on it. It has dated badly though, as has most of his music, because at the end of the day it was all about marketing and theatre rather than any real substance.
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He had the balls to do something he believed in rather than going for something that he knew worked. He took a risk and he should be commended for that; because it pulled off. His music videos are second to none, I love watching them.

And I wouldn't say his music has dated badly at all. A lot of his stuff still gets played (Moreso since his death, but plenty of his music was played in pubs, clubs prior to him dying).

WeasteDevil said:
How can an artist like him go from writing "Can you feel it" to then singing somebody else's song in "Thriller"? I've told you already, Quincy Jones changed the entire dynamic of it, and it was downhill as soon as he got involved (apart from the sales aspect of course).
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Granted he didn't write Thriller but no-one could have pulled it off and made it as big as he did. Nor could they have made the self-titled album the best selling album of all time (By some considerable distance).

I like most of his stuff. Right through from a youngster in the Jackson 5 to his last official album release in 2001. Each album his different and heads in a different direction; and he manages to pull it off each time. He has so many underrated songs. When people hear Michael Jackson they probably think "Billie Jean", "Beat It", "Thriller", "Smooth Criminal", "Don't Stop 'till ya' Get Enough", those sorts of tracks (And for good reason!), but he had so many more what the average Joe probably doesn't know about. His remix album in 1997 for example; I hadn't a clue that existed until recently, yet it is the biggest selling remix album of all time.
 
esmufc09 said:
He had the balls to do something he believed in rather than going for something that he knew worked. He took a risk and he should be commended for that; because it pulled off. His music videos are second to none, I love watching them.

And I wouldn't say his music has dated badly at all. A lot of his stuff still gets played (Moreso since his death, but plenty of his music was played in pubs, clubs prior to him dying).
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Well, I'm not too sure if it was him or his production company and producers that had the balls to do that, but it was off the wall at the time if you pardon the pun. Thriller as a piece of music should have been in a musical, not a studio album. It's dreadfully dated and so embarrassingly simple as a musical track on its own without the video to go with it. It's akin to an Andrew Lloyd Webber number.

As for the music being dated, surprisingly, it's the tracks that he wrote himself that are the least dated. I thought that by posting that video of "Can you feel it" would get some reaction, not only because the person that recorded it and stuck it up onto YouTube got the levels totally wrong, but that was the point where a simple great groovy track started to be turned into unnecessary theatre. From that point on, it was all theatre and spectacle based rather than musical substance.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Well, I'm not too sure if it was him or his production company and producers that had the balls to do that, but it was off the wall at the time if you pardon the pun. Thriller as a piece of music should have been in a musical, not a studio album. It's dreadfully dated and so embarrassingly simple as a musical track on its own without the video to go with it. It's akin to an Andrew Lloyd Webber number.
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Thriller itself was never one of my favourite tracks, and if I'm being perfectly honest I prefer 'Bad' as an album (Only just, mind).

I think ultimately it came down to Jackson to do the Thriller video; one of the reasons he left the Motown record deal was because he didn't have enough freedom with what he wanted to do.
 
Pop star Michael Jackson had a strong heart and was a "fairly healthy" 50-year-old, according to an autopsy report obtained in the US.

His weight was in the acceptable range for a man of his height, according to the Associated Press.

But the singer, who died of a heart attack in June, had punctured arms, tattooed lips and eyebrows and suffered from lung damage and some arthritis.

Jackson's death was ruled as homicide caused by a powerful anaesthetic.

Cosmetic surgery

The Los Angeles coroner disclosed in August that Propofol and the sedative Lorazepam were the "primary drugs responsible for Mr Jackson's death".

The drugs were administered by Jackson's physician Dr Conrad Murray, and the verdict has been considered likely to increase the chances of criminal charges being brought against his doctors.

According to the document, Jackson's most serious health problem was his chronically inflamed lungs, but this was not serious enough to be a contributing factor to his death.

The post mortem did not uncover any physical problems that may have limited Jackson's ability to perform.

"His overall health was fine," said Dr Zeev Kain of the University of California, who reviewed the report for AP but was not involved in the post-mortem examination.

"The results are in normal limits," he added.

The report also revealed that Jackson had a number of scars on his body, including behind his ears and beside each of his nostrils.

Dr Kain concluded they were likely to have been caused by cosmetic surgery, while others, including on the knee, were likely to have been created by medical procedures.

The document also states that the singer was bald at the front of his head and had what appeared to be a dark tattoo stretching across his head.

His remaining hair was described as short and tightly-curled, it added.

The coroner reported that Jackson had depigmentation of the skin around his face, chest, abdomen and arms.

The full autopsy report has yet to be officially released to the public, but the conclusion that Jackson's death was homicide has been disclosed.
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So he was in pretty good shape. Literally.
 
'The coroner reported that Jackson had depigmentation of the skin around his face, chest, abdomen and arms.'

So basically he couldn't get his nob whitened.
 
Yet, Conrad Murray remains free, and not even a named suspect.

Arrest him already
 
Brad said:
Admittedly I've not followed this immensely closely

But given what's come out so far that I've heard

How is that clear?
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michael jackson was addicted to the drugs like what killed him for 20 years, there is alot of evidence pointing to him going cold-turkey as he wanted to perform his "this is it" tour in london "pure" now on the night of his death he took the same amount as he used to take before he went cold-turkey, this points to an accidental overdose induced by jackson himself, as he Overdosed on what was his normal dosage, but due to his system getting over the drugs and then being completely overpowered by the drugs he took
 
phelans shorts said:
michael jackson was addicted to the drugs like what killed him for 20 years, there is alot of evidence pointing to him going cold-turkey as he wanted to perform his "this is it" tour in london "pure" now on the night of his death he took the same amount as he used to take before he went cold-turkey, this points to an accidental overdose induced by jackson himself, as he Overdosed on what was his normal dosage, but due to his system getting over the drugs and then being completely overpowered by the drugs he took
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The death has been ruled as a homicide, which in layman's terms means someone else caused his death.

Murray gave Jackson a cocktail of drugs on the night of his death which, being a cardiologist, he shouldn't have done as it is highly dangerous. Especially where propofol is concerned.
 
Anybody who watched Cha'Mone a Tribute to Michael Jackson would know that Doctor Murray gave him no more than a Lucozade Tableys.
 
esmufc09 said:
The death has been ruled as a homicide, which in layman's terms means someone else caused his death.

Murray gave Jackson a cocktail of drugs on the night of his death which, being a cardiologist, he shouldn't have done as it is highly dangerous. Especially where propofol is concerned.
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i have real doubts that murray gave him all of the drugs, i think that murray may well have given him the propofol, which turned out being the straw that broke the camels back
 
Michael Jackson was given a series of sedatives by Dr. Conrad Murray on June 25, the day the singer died, according to an affidavit released Monday in Houston.

1:30 a.m. — 10 milligram tablet of Valium, a sedative.
2 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative lorazepam (brand name Ativan) given intravenously.
3 a.m. — 2 milligrams of the sedative midazolam (brand name Versed) given intravenously.
5 a.m. — 2 milligrams of lorazepam given intravenously.
7:30 a.m. — 2 milligrams of midazolam given intravenously.
10:40 a.m. — 25 milligrams of propofol (brand name Diprivan) given intravenously and diluted with lidocaine (brand name Xylocaine).
10:50 a.m. — Doctor leaves Jackson’s room; returns minutes later to find Jackson not breathing. Begins CPR and gives 0.2 milligrams of flumazenil (brand name Anexate), used to reverse sedatives.
 
The affidavit says Murray told investigators he didn’t order or buy any propofol and had found about eight bottles of it in Jackson’s home along with numerous other medications. But investigators served a search warrant Aug. 11 at a Las Vegas pharmacy and uncovered evidence showing Murray legally purchased from the store the propofol he gave Jackson the day he died.

Murray didn’t tell paramedics or doctors at UCLA hospital where Jackson was rushed June 25 about any drugs he administered other than lorazepam and flumazenil, according to the affidavit. The document says it was only during a subsequent interview with Los Angeles Police detectives that Murray gave a more full accounting of the events leading up to the 911 call.

The coroner’s office has not publicly released its autopsy findings, citing a request from police detectives to withhold results until their investigation is complete.
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He's was negligent, he knows it, and should be held accountable for Jackson's death.
 
EricaNo7 said:
i agree with you elvis.
how a doctor can administer a drug used for anaesthetic purposes to help his patient sleep is appalling, no matter how much MJ begged or cajoled
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Yeah but I'm sure Michael was more than a little persuasive.
 
EricaNo7 said:
yes i'm sure he was too, spoony.
just how persuasive i expect we'll find out if his doctor is ever charged.

it makes you wonder how he got to the stage he needed anaesthesia just to sleep
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Apparently most of the Hollywood A-listers get what they want.
 
esmufc09 said:
Money does speak, and Murray obviously chose that over his profession.
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Perhaps. . .but Michael was as much to blame. I think you're scapegoating Murray when the truth was Jacko was addicted to drugs and probably did everything in his power to get them. Flashing his cash was more than likely his way. As I said these big time celebs always get what they want.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Perhaps. . .but Michael was as much to blame. I think you're scapegoating Murray when the truth was Jacko was addicted to drugs and probably did everything in his power to get them. Flashing his cash was more than likely his way. As I said these big time celebs always get what they want.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming Jackson was void of any responsibility, because he was.

But it was a mixture of drugs that should never have been administered which killed him, and for that, Murray should be punished.

To be honest I think he is worse than Harold Shipman.
 
esmufc09 said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming Jackson was void of any responsibility, because he was.

But it was a mixture of drugs that should never have been administered which killed him, and for that, Murray should be punished.

To be honest I think he is worse than Harold Shipman.
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fecking hell, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
 
You hadn't highlighted the bolded part!

Of course that bit was said in jest; I thought you were referring to the rest of the post.

Apologies for the confusion, though it was your fault :)
 
esmufc09 said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming Jackson was void of any responsibility, because he was.

But it was a mixture of drugs that should never have been administered which killed him, and for that, Murray should be punished.

To be honest I think he is worse than Harold Shipman.
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I think Michael Jackson was worse than Shipman. At least Harry didn't try it on with kids. . .
 
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