Music Michael Jackson is Dead (All general comment)

I think I painted MJ in a slightly bad light there, didn't mean to. But just taking the masks off wasn't going to change much for the kids who were probably going to live in isolation until they were 16/18. They weren't beaten, etc, but they wouldn't be able to face the world when they grew up much like MJ wasn't able to.

If even half the things their nanny claimed (ok it was in NOTW) is true then it was a very weird existence for the kids. No child comes out of weird existences as truly mentally stable adults. Anyway, its happened now and I hope his kids and family overcome this grief. I'm still coming to terms with it myself so am probably looking for bad points to "justify" his death to myself. I need something to ease this dull feeling I've had since Thursday.
 
I think I painted MJ in a slightly bad light there, didn't mean to. But just taking the masks off wasn't going to change much for the kids who were probably going to live in isolation until they were 16/18. They weren't beaten, etc, but they wouldn't be able to face the world when they grew up much like MJ wasn't able to.

But would they have ever been able to face the world, or live a normal childhood, being the children of the most famous man on the planet? I'm not so sure they could. They'd be targets of kidnap and the like, so it was understandable as to why Jackson shielded them from the media as much as he did, because he knew more than anybody the damage they can cause.

If even half the things their nanny claimed (ok it was in NOTW) is true then it was a very weird existence for the kids. No child comes out of weird existences as truly mentally stable adults.

Half of the nanny interview was sensationalist bollocks, like you said, it's NOTW so I wouldn't take what's in it too seriously.

Anyway, its happened now and I hope his kids and family overcome this grief. I'm still coming to terms with it myself so am probably looking for bad points to "justify" his death to myself. I need something to ease this dull feeling I've had since Thursday.

Yeah, it's certainly been a strange few days since his death.
 
I'v just heard Jamie Fox spout something along the lines of 'This black man belongs to us, and we shared him with everybody else' when carrying out a tribute on stage.

Is he a complete retard or just an insecure bell-end, then?
 
I'v just heard Jamie Fox spout something along the lines of 'This black man belongs to us, and we shared him with everybody else' when carrying out a tribute on stage.

Is he a complete retard or just an insecure bell-end, then?

Seems to be some sort of weird transformation since he passed away, suddenly all black folks are acepting Michael Jackson BACK, where in cultural circles, both in his physical state and how he carried himself, blacks shunned him and denied him as a "black man" because of his public mis-handling.

It's a touchy subject i'd rather not dwell on, since MJ was a mainstay in my families musical circle (My mothers side of me is black), but it seemed to be a popular bandwagon to jump on after the second molestation case.
 
Seems to be some sort of weird transformation since he passed away, suddenly all black folks are acepting Michael Jackson BACK, where in cultural circles, both in his physical state and how he carried himself, blacks shunned him and denied him as a "black man" because of his public mis-handling.

It's a touchy subject i'd rather not dwell on, since MJ was a mainstay in my families musical circle (My mothers side of me is black), but it seemed to be a popular bandwagon to jump on after the second molestation case.

I found it very odd. I'm not doubting that he was a black man, I just don't see why people are now pointing it out, or even why it matters. He was black, so what? He doesn't 'belong' to black people anymore than he does to non-black people. Just like, say, Elvis didn't belong to white people anymore than he did to black poeple.

Tribalism is one thing, but racial tribalism just takes the piss. Jamie Foxx obviously has some issues.
 
I found it very odd. I'm not doubting that he was a black man, I just don't see why people are now pointing it out, or even why it matters. He was black, so what? He doesn't 'belong' to black people anymore than he does to non-black people. Just like, say, Elvis didn't belong to white people anymore than he did to black poeple.

Tribalism is one thing, but racial tribalism just takes the piss. Jamie Foxx obviously has some issues.

Jamie Foxx is a senationalist, good actor, a bit funny, and maybe this was a subtle attempt st humor, but he comes off as a right prat sometimes.
 
Seems to be some sort of weird transformation since he passed away, suddenly all black folks are acepting Michael Jackson BACK, where in cultural circles, both in his physical state and how he carried himself, blacks shunned him and denied him as a "black man" because of his public mis-handling.

It's a touchy subject i'd rather not dwell on, since MJ was a mainstay in my families musical circle (My mothers side of me is black), but it seemed to be a popular bandwagon to jump on after the second molestation case.

Yeah it's pathetic how the black media are trying to skew the truth and make it look like they were always behind Michael, when it couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Michael Jackson's mother was yesterday awarded temporary custody of his three children as the family fired the first shots in the legal battle over his estate.

Lawyers representing the family went to court to assert the right of Jackson's mother Katherine to take care of Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., known as Prince Michael, 12, Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, 11, and Prince Michael II, 7.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff granted temporary guardianship to Katherine who has been looking after the children at the family compound since her son's death.

The family also moved to seize control of other elements of the Jackson legacy. They announced that they had sole “personal and legal authority” to act on behalf of their son and appointed Londell McMillan, an entertainment lawyer, as the family’s designated spokesman.

Jackson’s parents also asked for Katherine to be named as administrator of her late son’s estate. The court documents state that she intends to use her late son’s assets exclusively for his children “after payment of debts and expenses of administration”.

Mr McMillan said the family had not heard from Deborah Rowe, the mother of Jackson's two oldest children, about custody. The youngest son was born to an unknown surrogate mother. If Ms Rowe was given custody, it would be "detrimental" to the children, court papers claimed.

"I don't think there will be anybody who thinks that there is someone better" than Katherine Jackson to have custody, Mr McMillan said on NBC's "Today" show. "She is a very loving host of other grandchildren."

Frank DiLeo, Jackson's manager, said a will made by Jackson would be opened today and that it contained financial provisions for the children and his custody wishes. He said he did not know when the will was made.

Ms Rowe has yet to say whether she will contest custody. Experts say she has the strongest legal claim to Jackson's two oldest children, as she is their natural mother, despite the fact that she gave up here parental rights after her divorce from Jackson and has rarely seen them in the last few years as he travelled abroad with them.

Ms Rowe's only public statement has come from her attorney, Marta Almli: "Ms. Rowe's only thoughts at this time have been regarding the devastating loss Michael's family has suffered. Ms Rowe requests that Michael's family, and particularly the children, be spared such harmful, sensationalist speculation and that they be able to say goodbye to their loved one in peace."

Jackson's manager, Frank DiLeo, told NBC: "The will will be taken out of the safe today. I do know there are strict provisions in there about the finances for the children, the finances for the mother and who will get custody of the children in the case of a death."

He said it was "more than likely" that it will be Katherine Jackson who is named in the will as legal guardian "because Michael was extremely, extremely close to her".

The move to bring Michael Jackson's children into the family fold comes after their father's unhappy childhood at the hands of Joe Jackson. Michael told how he used to be whipped by his father and had a miserable adolescence. Joe Jackson admitted hitting his son with a belt but denied he ever beat him.

Judge Mitchell Beckloff set a hearing for July 6 for the custody case, where the children do not have to be present, according to Allan Parachini, spokesman for the Los Angeles Superior Court.

Jackson was, by most accounts, an attentive and loving father, despite the infamous incident when he dangled his youngest child out of a hotel window.

"He was a great father," said Raymone Bain, Jackson's former publicist and general manager. "Those kids knew three and four languages. Even the little one. They were well mannered and sweet. I can't imagine these children without him."

The children have been rarely seen in public and when they did venture out, Jackson gave them veils, masks or other items to cover their faces. Since the death of their father, they have been at the Jackson family compound in Encino, Los Angeles. They are said to be missing their father but doing ok. Jesse Jackson, a family friend, said he saw them over the weekend playing with their cousins at the family home.

Ms Rowe, a former nurse for Jackson's dermatologist, married Jackson in 1996 but filed for divorce in 1999. She later gave up her custody rights to the children. She wrote in a 2001 petition to sever her parental rights that she thought Jackson was doing a good job with the kids: "Michael has been a wonderful father to the children, and I do not wish to share any parenting responsibilities with Michael because he is doing so well without me."

Then in 2003 she petitioned to have those rights restored after Jackson was arrested on child molestation charges, and an appeals court sided with her.

Jackson and Ms Rowe apparently reached a financial settlement in 2006 regarding her rights, but the terms have never been officially disclosed. The surrogate mother of Prince Michael II has never been identified, and while she may surface, it is likely that she signed away her rights, according to legal experts.

If Ms Rowe did contest custody, she would have to undergo an evaluation by the court to determine if she was the best person to care for Jackson's children. "If Jackson did indicate a preference, that will be given great weight, but that will not be determinative," said Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred. "Children are not property, they cannot be willed to another person."

Ms Allred said that Ms Rowe has better legal standing than others who apply for custody of Jackson's eldest children. "She's definitely going to have an advantage."

But judges in California also take into account who is left in the children's lives with a strong bond and a judge could decide to ask the children themselves who they most want to live with.

Stacy Phillips, a Los Angeles divorce attorney who has represented numerous high-profile clients, said whoever wins custody of Jackson's children would not automatically gain control of their inheritance but would receive payments from the estate.

Joe Jackson said last night that the funeral arrangements would not be finalised until the results were known from a second post-mortem examination that the family requested. He told ABC7: “Michael was dead before he left the house. I’m suspecting foul play somewhere.”

Mr DiLeo said that the star had had an energetic rehearsal the night before his death. The Jackson family has questioned the role of the singer’s physician, Conrad Murray, who was with him when he collapsed. Lawyers for Dr Murray, who had been treating Jackson for three years and who had recently moved into the rented mansion, issued a categorical denial yesterday that the doctor had administered an injection of Demerol, a narcotic painkiller, to Jackson before his death.

The family is said to be considering a series of simultaneous memorial services around the world for Jackson, an event that could dwarf even the send-off given to Elvis Presley in 1977.

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These pictures are from last Wednesday, taken at rehearsals for the O2 show...

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Apparently footage shot at that rehearsal will be released as a DVD, and a series of posthumous albums will be released starting with the first, this Christmas.

The Jackson estate expects to make more money in the next year than in the last decade. A bit creepy maybe, but it'll still be interesting for fans.
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Redemption-Michael-Jackson-Molestation-Allegations/dp/1576880362

By the "legal secretary of the prosecuting attorney to the 1993 child molestation case" apparently. Not that i'll read it. It sounded pretty interesting though... a woman (who writes this) from the prosecution team said he was innocent.

I heard a story about MJ when he went to Africa. He was doing some charity stuff and, although it isn't true, a couple of journalists said that he refused to shake hands with some of the African people, also holding his nose 'because they smelt'. That's fecking scandalous, it really is. Pictures later revealed that they were lying but Jackson didn't sue.

He's an easy target for flailing journalists - people will always believe/read the story.
 
He looks well in those pictures, certainly better than you'd have expected with the amount that has been wrote about his health the last few days. Even the doctors were said to be surprised at how healthy he appeared and was during the autopsy.

His death raises more questions than answers.
 
Even the doctors were said to be surprised at how healthy he appeared and was during the autopsy.
I heard that that those who conducted the autopsy said the body was emaciated and that Jackson had lost his hair.

It's just impossible to know where the truth lies with anything about Jackson as there are always so many conflicting reports. For example, his ex-nanny was interviewed last week and said Jackson had been living in hotels the last few years and had even had to move his family to a friend's basement recently as he has no money. So what was the house he died in?
 
Yor right his death raises many many questions.
Looking at the pics in the papers ,he does not look like a 8st virtual skeleton that was almost bald,has the auposy said he did ,to be honest he looks very fit if a bit skinny ,and what about this 30,000 dollars a month on drugs,is it possible for one man to have that many drugs in one month?
To me it looks like someboduy is lying or the pics are fakes
 
Yor right his death raises many many questions.
Looking at the pics in the papers ,he does not look like a 8st virtual skeleton that was almost bald,has the auposy said he did ,to be honest he looks very fit if a bit skinny ,and what about this 30,000 dollars a month on drugs,is it possible for one man to have that many drugs in one month?
To me it looks like someboduy is lying or the pics are fakes

It's a big money spinner - hyperbole.

You'll never know the truth. There will be contradicting reports and, as usual, an incredible amount of lies, exaggeration and slander.

We're buying into the same cycle of questioning that burnt him in the first place. It's perpetual madness.
 
I heard that that those who conducted the autopsy said the body was emaciated and that Jackson had lost his hair.
It's just impossible to know where the truth lies with anything about Jackson as there are always so many conflicting reports. For example, his ex-nanny was interviewed last week and said Jackson had been living in hotels the last few years and had even had to move his family to a friend's basement recently as he has no money. So what was the house he died in?

I understand the LA coroner rejected these reports as completely false

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...d-story-claiming-to-have-autopsy-details.html

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story...alls_The_Sun_Michael_Jackson_Story_Inaccurate
 
Right, I'm taking back what I said about his fatherhood skills and am refraining from any more speculation. I'll read what really happened when there are some hard facts in a year or two's time.

People (media) can be right c***s sometimes.
 
Yeah it's pathetic how the black media are trying to skew the truth and make it look like they were always behind Michael, when it couldn't be further from the truth.

Hilarious, and it's a shame because a man of Jamie Foxx's multiple talents is a very vocal speaker now in the black community worldwide, it's good to know he used his strong word to send such a powerful message :rolleyes:

These pictures are from last Wednesday, taken at rehearsals for the O2 show...

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Apparently footage shot at that rehearsal will be released as a DVD, and a series of posthumous albums will be released starting with the first, this Christmas.

The Jackson estate expects to make more money in the next year than in the last decade. A bit creepy maybe, but it'll still be interesting for fans.

I heard the pics were photoshopped, money grabber by someone who is damn good at photoshop (i.e. lighting, color, jacksons body, etc all edited to make it appear them man is in brilliant shape... hence why there's only a select number of photos and not a ton)

As for the albums, I hope every single penny goes to his kids, fecking paying off a debt that doesn't need to be paid, i'm sure somehow it will be, and I hope his kids live a pure life from now on with no media and no distraction.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Redemption-Michael-Jackson-Molestation-Allegations/dp/1576880362

By the "legal secretary of the prosecuting attorney to the 1993 child molestation case" apparently. Not that i'll read it. It sounded pretty interesting though... a woman (who writes this) from the prosecution team said he was innocent.

I heard a story about MJ when he went to Africa. He was doing some charity stuff and, although it isn't true, a couple of journalists said that he refused to shake hands with some of the African people, also holding his nose 'because they smelt'. That's fecking scandalous, it really is. Pictures later revealed that they were lying but Jackson didn't sue.

He's an easy target for flailing journalists - people will always believe/read the story.

In regards to the prosecution in the early-90's, I was always raised on the assumption he only paid the money to shut the "victim" up so he could continue on with his career, not in the sense of something to hide, but because the man was clearly very busy and had no time to fight thise case... I think now that he's passed ,we may know more about the truth.

the MJ to Africa story is one of those "Let's make something out of nothing"... I remember that story.

Right, I'm taking back what I said about his fatherhood skills and am refraining from any more speculation. I'll read what really happened when there are some hard facts in a year or two's time.

People (media) can be right c***s sometimes.

I wish that everyone would take this stance
 
I'm bored of this now. Whenever I meet someone they always ask how I felt about Jackson's death!
 
People that read those sorts of magazines should be shot.
 
I see they are now talking about possible burial at Neverland, is this so they can run it like Graceland and make even more money out of his death! :confused:
 
Though there are ulterior motives, I'm sure its also what Michael would have wanted too.
 
When Jackson settled out of court with his first accuser, Jordan Chandler, for more than $15million in 1994, his career went into a rapid decline from which he never recovered.

Jackson had not wanted to settle the case. I have obtained legal documents proving that his insurance company forced the settlement on him against his will.

The documents state: 'The [1994 Chandler] settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr Jackson's insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr Jackson and his personal legal counsel.'

Jackson was said to have almost collapsed as the settlement was forced upon him. His aides insist this marked the beginning of his mental and physical breakdown.

Probably the most famous of his child friendships was with Macaulay Culkin, which began shortly after Home Alone made the actor a superstar at the age of ten.

Before Jackson's death, Culkin told me: 'I've heard all the stories, but you have to know Michael. He's not like anybody else. There's this expression about how somebody's a big kid. It's always just an expression. But with Michael he is one.

'We had pillow fights, we goofed around, we rode on the rides. But at the time it just seemed so harmless. Michael is just Michael and if you really knew him, you would know just how stupid the accusations are.'

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Someone's gonna parody that and edit in him moonwalking across in that video sooner or later. Or the zombie MJ from Thriller dancing across.

Either way, it's clearly a shadow.