Music Michael Jackson is Dead (All general comment)
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I don't agree. All modern music stems from the Beatles. And that includes Michael Jackson.
Still living is the prerequisite, though.
How 'bout the Strolling Bones?
I'm not sure if zombies count as living.
You get my point though
There's more than Stevie Wonder left alive.And that's only that generation - the next generation of musicians are still too young for the real "legends" to stand out.
I'd hazard that in twenty/thirty years, people might look upon the RHCP or Eminem in a similar light (though not quite as grand, perhaps).
He wrote most of it himself.
I'm impressed then.
As others have echoed in this thread: I didn't care much for the man. It's sad when anyone dies, but I don't personally feel any different now he's dead than I did when he was alive. Musically, though, the man touched millions (maybe even billions) of people, and his legacy will live on for a long, long time.
For how much of his career was he actually dead though?
Years, I reckon.
Years, I reckon.
You get my point though
And that's only that generation - the next generation of musicians are still too young for the real "legends" to stand out.
I'd hazard that in twenty/thirty years, people might look upon the RHCP or Eminem in a similar light (though not quite as grand, perhaps).
Yeah but the original question surrounded phenomenons, the Stones are clever and got in at the right time, I'd put their success down to Jagger's tactical nous more than musical genius. Stevie, like MJ, was a child prodigy of exceptional talent.
There you go moving the goal posts
Fair enough, Tina Turner?
Owes it all to Ike.
I don't think he'll ever be forgotten, he was probably the most famous man on the planet and a complete musical genius in his prime. The fact that he wrote most of his own music just adds to that. If you'd have asked me before yesterday how I'd feel if he died I probably wouldn't have thought I'd feel like I do. It did affect me and it's sad but I still got on with my day, had normal conversations etc.. I'm just kinda shocked, but you can tell theres something different about this death compared to every other high profile death thats happened, it's fecking huge.
Damn! I'll be back...
hang on, Lionel Richie?
hang on, Lionel Richie?
ABBA then.
I loved that song, was it 'Dirty Diana'?
The Beatles played Blues though... Jackson played Motown (sort of blues)...
It doesn't matter where it originates from. All i'm saying is that his music and 'mark' on individuals (not the current of music itself) shall be far greater than any other of the mentioned musicians. In terms of culture.
The bank of videos shall remain, the songs shall be replayed (buying a new generation of fan) and his music will be cut, twisted and pasted for many, many years to come. The memory of what he has done, in terms of performance and music, shall however, supercede anything that has come before it. In terms of longevity and cultural legacy.
He has 20-30 years of empathy now in which his legacy shall be truly forged.
On a side note...
As white middle-class Englishmen it is natural for us to look to The Beatles.
For black (and white) Americans: Michael Jackson is an inspiration and an immortal musician. It struck me down how many black Americans cite him as their chief musical influence.
A few things occur to me regarding this thread.
First off, people should feel however they want about this. But there are a few posters in here who have set the high water mark for their own behaviour in this thread. I'm not sure some of them will prove so sensitive when someone they don't admire dies, and there'll be a few on here to remind them. If some of you lot want to hear nothing but good things about him I'd steer clear of the media in a few days time-they'll rake over all the old ground again.
Then there's the out-of-court settlement in the Jordan Chandler case. A lot of people are ignoring the fact that Jackson's insurance provider both negotiated and paid the full settlement, against both he and his legal advisers wishes (according to many articles on t'interweb). He may be guilty, he may not. But settlements aren't always an admission of guilt, and all of those saying they wouldn't pay a penny might feel differently if they were being accused like that, and their family hounded.
As for reasons the parents might accept the money-there are a few. Not wanting the child to be subject to cross-examination, not dragging the affair on longer than necessary, and of course, money. Who knows which (if any) it was in this instance.
I doubt any of us will know what genuinely happened. Clearly the bloke was troubled, and engaged in some pretty inappropriate behaviour, but maybe he was that naive (not sure I believe it, but you never know).
First off, people should feel however they want about this. But there are a few posters in here who have set the high water mark for their own behaviour in this thread. I'm not sure some of them will prove so sensitive when someone they don't admire dies, and there'll be a few on here to remind them. If some of you lot want to hear nothing but good things about him I'd steer clear of the media in a few days time-they'll rake over all the old ground again.
Then there's the out-of-court settlement in the Jordan Chandler case. A lot of people are ignoring the fact that Jackson's insurance provider both negotiated and paid the full settlement, against both he and his legal advisers wishes (according to many articles on t'interweb). He may be guilty, he may not. But settlements aren't always an admission of guilt, and all of those saying they wouldn't pay a penny might feel differently if they were being accused like that, and their family hounded.
As for reasons the parents might accept the money-there are a few. Not wanting the child to be subject to cross-examination, not dragging the affair on longer than necessary, and of course, money. Who knows which (if any) it was in this instance.
I doubt any of us will know what genuinely happened. Clearly the bloke was troubled, and engaged in some pretty inappropriate behaviour, but maybe he was that naive (not sure I believe it, but you never know).
Eminem isn't all-encompassing.
RHCP don't have that 'star-quality' and i definitely could ask lots of people that don't know any of their work.
I think, personally, people are unwilling to accept the scale of this because of the individual in question. Anything but an alleged paedophile.
I'm looking forward to listening to some of his unreleased work actually. I also hope somebody utilises - well! - his catalogue of unsung, but written, songs. I've heard there is a massive body of work as of yet, unreleased.
Edit: probably not 'lots' of people (with regard to RHCP). But enough.
RHCP don't have that 'star-quality' and i definitely could ask lots of people that don't know any of their work.
I think, personally, people are unwilling to accept the scale of this because of the individual in question. Anything but an alleged paedophile.
I'm looking forward to listening to some of his unreleased work actually. I also hope somebody utilises - well! - his catalogue of unsung, but written, songs. I've heard there is a massive body of work as of yet, unreleased.
Edit: probably not 'lots' of people (with regard to RHCP). But enough.
Good shout, but the acrimony of their demise I think will lessen the severity of their respective passings.
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Seriously only Dylan and Prince on that list are in his league as musical geniuses. The rest are miles behind.
Was a huge fan as a kid, and i still think his music was quality. But rock n roll/ rock is my thing and the genre i appreciate the most and there are plenty of bands i would rate well above Michael.
13 grammy's tell no lies.
I think you may have missed my original point/it wasn't clear. There are posters in here who have set their own high water mark as regards their behaviour, or righteous indignation in some cases. They now have to live up to their own lofty standards. Whether they will afford the same respect, and unwillingness to hear anything negative about someone they are not so enamoured of is another matter. I reckon not. In fact, I'll bet some of them will be equally as guilty of the sorts of comments they're up in arms about in this thread. I won't be the one pointing it out, but I reckon it'll happen.
As for the media coverage-once he's buried or whatever he's chosen, there will be lifetime retrospective pieces done by every relevant media outlet in the world. Of course some will anoint him St Michael, but I don't think that will be universal. It would take an extremely brave reporter to gloss over the unsavoury/salacious facets of his life, when they formed such a big part of who he was.
That first bit sounds terribly like a euphemistic death threat from a subversive maniac.
We'll see.
That first bit sounds terribly like a euphemistic death threat from a subversive maniac.
We'll see.
Hehe. Just for that, you're first on the list.
No, Bowie is...It depends entirely on your predeliction of course...But Bowie is to most I would imagine
Sorry. I felt as though i had to add something.
I think the world will be waiting a long, long time for the death of another even comparably significant and widely conjectured individual.
Bowie is incredible. I love his music.
The proliferation of his work is also incredible.
The significance of his music, life and death just isn't that of Michael Jackson.
It may be better. I'd probably agree with that.
bang on, the piety in here last night was astonishing ... i'll be expecting a few posters to be saying morning grace here with the bullshit they came out with last night
and on his 'talent', I think in terms of fame and celebrity he is Elvis, and probably unrivalled ... but for me many were as talented ... like Stevie Wonder ... for me Dylan and Bowie have/had more talent ... but I'm not going to defend this at all here, just my view for perspective.
Also I disagree with all modern music stemming from the Beatles. That a sleeve note eulogy if I ever heard it. That is a discussion I'd like to have but not in this thread.
Also I disagree with all modern music stemming from the Beatles. That a sleeve note eulogy if I ever heard it. That is a discussion I'd like to have but not in this thread.
On a lighter note (now the body is cold)...
Michael Jackson's death has been the best thing to happen to redcafe (and the entertainment forum) since, erm, ever. There has been an incredible amount of posts already (can somebody do some statistics?). I wonder if she has serious legs (i.e. Classics).
Michael Jackson's death has been the best thing to happen to redcafe (and the entertainment forum) since, erm, ever. There has been an incredible amount of posts already (can somebody do some statistics?). I wonder if she has serious legs (i.e. Classics).
There's absolutely no way this thread deserves to be immortalised in the classics.
I will, I promise, just not now ... I'll PM you! You'll miss nothing!
I think everyone would appreciate the education.
After all, Redcafe is pretty good on that front, isn't it?
(bar the General, Man Utd and Football - although, they have their moments)
The dialogue has been top notch tonight.
Do it.
why not?
Elvis/John Lennon & The Beatles/Michael Jackson... same level
Below them... James Brown, Frank Sinatra, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin... thel ist can go on.
Because of allegations people forget he was probably the single most famous man to live on this earth... more popular than jesus, Thriller probably sold more than the bible.
I had a young fella but into the middle of mine and my mates conversation at a store and had the nerve to put Eminem in the same breath at Michael Jackson and so on... I could have stepped on him