Music Michael Jackson is Dead (All general comment)

afrocentricity said:
The thing is, if you genuinly believe that Jacko was guilty then I suppose you will be as vocal as some posters in here, it's only normal. Don't discount the element of doubt though.

He was found not-guilty, speaking as a parent I would not be having that... if my child had been molested and the perpetrator got off in court then I would use any means at my disposal to get justice for as long as I live on this earth. No amount of millions would stop me or shut me up, sorry.
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How about if somone you know to have been involved in a high profile child molestation case, 2 in fact, was asking if your son could stay the night at his ranch?...How would you, as a parent, react to that? Cos quite a few people said, yeah, ok..when almost every parent with a brain cell would not. Regardless of whether he was found innocent or not, a decent parents instinct would be to protect their child and even the slightest possibility would deter them..

However, many people STILL let their kids sleep with him...Presumably because the lure of money and influence was too great. These kids parents are idiots for setteling...But it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just that they're money grabbers
 
Rahul said:
Inevitable response from Gordon

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has paid tribute to Michael Jackson, saying that the singer's death was "very sad news" for his fans.



A Downing Street spokesman said: "This is very sad news for the millions of Michael Jackson fans in Britain and around the world.

"The prime minister's thoughts are with Michael Jackson's family at this time."

It's not known if Brown himself was a fan.
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Why? Just fecking why?
 
Eyepopper said:
At a guess, to avoid being asked about it in serious press conferences the PM's office releases a bland middle of the road statement......
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Exactly, which is why most VIP's make statements about world changing events... and also why this Twitter fad is as big as it is becaus celebs can make a statement without much effort.
 
Eyepopper said:
Again mate, you're basing all that on absolutely nothing..
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Nothing?

That is what happened.

He (or his bloody team) clearly could not defend every allegation with a reasonable probability of winning - otherwise they would have tried.

So they dealt.

What was left of the charges after that were easy to obtain an acquittal on.

So the official ruling is acquittal. Fine.

But he did not answer all the charges.

And people will draw a conclusion from that.
 
Rahul said:
Inevitable response from Gordon

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has paid tribute to Michael Jackson, saying that the singer's death was "very sad news" for his fans.



A Downing Street spokesman said: "This is very sad news for the millions of Michael Jackson fans in Britain and around the world.

"The prime minister's thoughts are with Michael Jackson's family at this time."

It's not known if Brown himself was a fan.
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A good day to bury bad news.
 
afrocentricity said:
The thing is, if you genuinly believe that Jacko was guilty then I suppose you will be as vocal as some posters in here, it's only normal. Don't discount the element of doubt though.

He was found not-guilty, speaking as a parent I would not be having that... if my child had been molested and the perpetrator got off in court then I would use any means at my disposal to get justice for as long as I live on this earth. No amount of millions would stop me or shut me up, sorry.
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Even putting your child through reliving the experiences and all the rest that comes with being the star witness in the trial of the millennium (so to speak)?

Other than greed this is the only reason for an out of court settlement in these cases as far as I can see.
 
Honest John said:
Nothing?

That is what happened.

He (or his bloody team) clearly could not defend every allegation with a reasonable probability of winning - otherwise they would have tried.

So they dealt.

What was left of the charges after that were easy to obtain an acquittal on.

So the official ruling is acquittal. Fine.

But he did not answer all the charges.

And people will draw a conclusion from that.
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You see, the problem with deductive reasoning is that you need perfect information except a single unknown variable to reach a fool-proof conclusion. Quite often no one has perfect information, and the "evidence" in this respect is merely behavioural observations, and is more inductive reasoning which is pretty much worthless.
 
Not a huge fan of his music but he was huge twenty years ago and put some decent stuff out. The music lives on but the world is a better place without the 2009 version of Jackson.
 
mjs020294 said:
Not a huge fan of his music but he was huge twenty years ago and put some decent stuff out. The music lives on but the world is a better place without the 2009 version of Jackson.
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Tell that to the millions of Jackson fans and those who bought tickets for the tour. His kids will probably like to hear your reasoning as well.
 
Addis said:
Tell that to the millions of Jackson fans and those who bought tickets for the tour. His kids will probably like to hear your reasoning as well.
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Those tickets will be worth a fortune now and his kids will finally be able to lead a normal,adjusted life. I'd ignore the negative comments if I where you, there's going to be a lot of them and if your gonna take offence to all of them you'll have your work cut out
 
Im not glad he's dead. But im glad he wont now be doing the 50+ dates at the O2.

However good they may have been, which is debatable, he wouldn’t have been able to perform like he did in the 80s. I don’t think that’s a good way for people to remember him.
 
Addis said:
Tell that to the millions of Jackson fans and those who bought tickets for the tour. His kids will probably like to hear your reasoning as well.
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The two clearly not mixed-race kids he's been hanging round with, one of whom was dangled out of a balcony when they were a few weeks old?

I kind of think they might be better off too.
 
Fell out of love with Michael Jackson the man/circus a long while ago. Feel pretty apathetic about the news personally. At least he can't do anymore damage to his legacy now.

However I will always be greatful for the music, Thriller in particular.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The two clearly not mixed-race kids he's been hanging round with, one of whom was dangled out of a balcony when they were a few weeks old?

I kind of think they might be better off too.
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You talk like you knew him personally when everything you argue is based on pure conjecture. Except you're worse than those who argue he was a perfect individual, because you have clearly taken the guilty 'til proven innocent route. And to continue calling someone a paedophile, when in reality you actually do not know if he ever was or not, is something I would never have expected from you.

You have absolutely no idea how he was as a father, or a friend or a loved one to those who knew him, and to suggest that any kid would be better off with their dad dying is crass beyond belief
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The two clearly not mixed-race kids he's been hanging round with, one of whom was dangled out of a balcony when they were a few weeks old?

I kind of think they might be better off too.
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This always struck me as the worst thing about Jackson. His sexual preferences can be debated till the cows come home but how a person with a history of being accused of Child molesting could claim to have 'had' two clearly caucasion children who's mother has given up any claim to and no one bats an eyelid is ridiculous?... I seriously doubt he did anything wrong with them, but it makes a mockery of the child services industry that it hasn't even been investigated..
 
SmashedHombre said:
You talk like you knew him personally when everything you argue is based on pure conjecture. Except you're worse than those who argue he was a perfect individual, because you have clearly taken the guilty 'til proven innocent route. And to continue calling someone a paedophile, when in reality you actually do not know if he ever was or not, is something I would never have expected from you.

You have absolutely no idea how he was as a father, or a friend or a loved one to those who knew him, and to suggest that any kid would be better off with their dad dying is crass beyond belief
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You can't call conjecture when it comes to these childrens liniage though smashed...they are clearly not biologically his and he has managed to precure them somehow without any red tape or investigation purely through money and power...It's a slap in the face to decent people turned down for adoption cos they smoke or have an insuficiant income
 
SmashedHombre said:
You talk like you knew him personally when everything you argue is based on pure conjecture. Except you're worse than those who argue he was a perfect individual, because you have clearly taken the guilty 'til proven innocent route. And to continue calling someone a paedophile, when in reality you actually do not know if he ever was or not, is something I would never have expected from you.

You have absolutely no idea how he was as a father, or a friend or a loved one to those who knew him, and to suggest that any kid would be better off with their dad dying is crass beyond belief
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The post you quoted isn't pure conjecture though. He definitely dangled one of his children out of the window of a hotel, neither of his kids look mixed-race and the circumstances surrounding their birth are bizarre beyond belief.

Like I said a few posts back, I've only expressed my opinion that he was a paedophile and I accept that this opinion might not be correct. A lot of people have also stated as fact that he's not a paedophile, without any challenge. Goes without saying that claiming 'his' kids might be better off if they were quietly removed from the whole Michael Jackson circus is also just an opinion ("I kind of think...").
 
MockneyRevil said:
You can't call conjecture when it comes to these childrens liniage though smashed...they are clearly not biologically his and he has managed to precure them somehow without any red tape or investigation purely through money and power...It's a slap in the face to decent people turned down for adoption cos they smoke or have an insuficiant income
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Perhaps, going off topic here but smoking and insufficient income are perfectly legitimate reasons for being denied adoption.
 
Addis said:
Perhaps, going off topic here but smoking and insufficient income are perfectly legitimate reasons for being denied adoption.
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Not above a history of suspected Child Abuse they're not. Regardless of whether it's founded or not. He went through no such process either, he just 'got' them.
 
What's the difference between Sir Alex Ferguson and Michael Jackson?

















Come September Sir Alex will still be playing Giggs.
 
Honest John said:
Nothing?

That is what happened.

He (or his bloody team) clearly could not defend every allegation with a reasonable probability of winning - otherwise they would have tried.

So they dealt.

What was left of the charges after that were easy to obtain an acquittal on.

So the official ruling is acquittal. Fine.

But he did not answer all the charges.

And people will draw a conclusion from that.
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Conclusion is far from concrete mate, none of us know the details, everything is just speculation.
 
MockneyRevil said:
You can't call conjecture when it comes to these childrens liniage though smashed...they are clearly not biologically his and he has managed to precure them somehow without any red tape or investigation purely through money and power...It's a slap in the face to decent people turned down for adoption cos they smoke or have an insuficiant income
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Why are you so ruse they are not his? When Debbie the mother, who should know better than some guy half a million miles away, has said as much plenty of times in the past? And it's hardly surprising they are mixed race given that she is white and he is black.

Pogue Mahone said:
The post you quotes isn't pure conjecture though. He definitely dangled one of his children out of the window of a hotel, neither of his kids look mixed-race and the circumstances surrounding their birth are bizarre beyond belief.

Like I said a few posts back, I've only expressed my opinion that he was a paedophile and I accept that this opinion might not be correct. Goes without saying that claiming 'his' kids might be better off if they were quietly removed from the whole Michael Jackson circus is also just an opinion.
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Fine, it's your opinion. But that's all it is, opinion. So stop calling him a paedophile then, it's crass and stinks of bitterness. It's also beneath you, of all people. Or maybe you would like it if we all went round calling Evans and VanPersie rapists? After all, they must be because heaven forbid someone would actually lie in the courts to try and gain money out of the mega rich
 
Addis said:
You see, the problem with deductive reasoning is that you need perfect information except a single unknown variable to reach a fool-proof conclusion. Quite often no one has perfect information, and the "evidence" in this respect is merely behavioural observations, and is more inductive reasoning which is pretty much worthless.
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Worthless in the legal sense.

But the legal sense is worthless in the public view.

And so it has always been.

The trouble is that the public - misguided or not will have the ultimate say.

The law is an ass
 
Honest John said:
Worthless in the legal sense.

But the legal sense is worthless in the public view.

And so it has always been.

The trouble is that the public - misguided or not will have the ultimate say.

The law is an ass
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Of couse. And everything printed in a magazine is defnitely true.
 
SmashedHombre said:
Fine, it's your opinion. But that's all it is, opinion. So stop calling him a paedophile then, it's crass and stinks of bitterness. It's also beneath you, of all people. Or maybe you would like it if we all went round calling Evans and VanPersie rapists? After all, they must be because heaven forbid someone would actually lie in the courts to try and gain money out of the mega rich
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Crass, maybe, but why would I be bitter? I used to like his music (although I think his recent stuff is shite) and I don't have any kind of personal agenda against him. I just think his relationship with children, over the years, was probably unhealthy (putting it mildly)
 
TMZ are now reporting that the family have claimed he took a morphine overdose before he died. The doctor who was with him is apparently nowhere to be seen.
 
rednev said:
TMZ are now reporting that the family have claimed he took a morphine overdose before he died. The doctor who was with him is apparently nowhere to be seen.
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Well there's no doubting their reliability as a source right now

Question is does that mean assisted suicide, botched job by the doctor... etc?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Crass, maybe, but why would I be bitter? I used to like his music (although I think his recent stuff is shite) and I don't have any kind of personal agenda against him. I just think his relationship with children, over the years, was probably unhealthy (putting it mildly)
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Really? Well you hide that well.

Your going round calling him a paedophile stinks of bitterness because you know all it's going to do is wind people up, and yet you keep doing it. Why else would you keep calling him it? I think by now everyone on here knows your own personal opinions on Jackson.
 
SmashedHombre said:
Why are you so ruse they are not his? When Debbie the mother, who should know better than some guy half a million miles away, has said as much plenty of times in the past? And it's hardly surprising they are mixed race given that she is white and he is black.
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And a fantastically credible witness she is...the woman who gave them to him then fecked off. Hmmmm..

Also they are clearly not mixed race. How many mixed race kids do you know with straight blonde hair? The black gene is a dominant one, meaning the vast majority of mixed race children have black features and hair.

here is a couple of pictures...do these kids look even remotely mixed race to you...bearing in mind Jackson himself is from a completely black family

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_05/jackson3SPLASH_759x1000.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/28/article-1022545-0168CE5500000578-764_468x286.jpg

I'm affraid Smashed, your living in denail...He may be a musical legend, but he's a fecked up individual, and no hagiography can disguise it
 
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