Michael Carrick - Middlesbrough Manager

MUFC OK said:
What makes you think that Carrick wouldn’t know what it takes to build a team capable of competing at the top of the PL given his experience?

He’s done a brilliant job with boro, shouldn’t even be considered for United yet, but he’s definitely on the radar for the future.
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Maybe Carrick will turn out to be a superb manager. But over my years as a football supporter, I've seen quite a few clubs promoted to the PL with managers who were considered very promising, but never took the step up.
 
MUFC OK said:
What makes you think that Carrick wouldn’t know what it takes to build a team capable of competing at the top of the PL given his experience?

He’s done a brilliant job with boro, shouldn’t even be considered for United yet, but he’s definitely on the radar for the future.
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Carrick's season at Middlesborough has been amazing ! If he were able to win promotion it would be one hell of a story. Regardless of the outcome this season he has become "one to watch"
 
jeff gurr said:
Carrick's season at Middlesborough has been amazing ! If he were able to win promotion it would be one hell of a story. Regardless of the outcome this season he has become "one to watch"
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We did well with him as manager even if it was for 3 games. Sounds amateur but his face fit. Defo would have served us better than Rangnick.
 
As silly as it sounds. I think not going up in playoffs could end up being best for him.

I believe any playoff winner next season will go straight down and the chances of losing a job will be higher.

I think with a summer to get few more of his players in he can probably win the league next season and be the team be more prepared for the premiership
 
berbasloth4 said:
As silly as it sounds. I think not going up in playoffs could end up being best for him.

I believe any playoff winner next season will go straight down and the chances of losing a job will be higher.

I think with a summer to get few more of his players in he can probably win the league next season and be the team be more prepared for the premiership
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Yes you sound silly as hell. For Carrick, promotion is the best outcome right now.
 
adexkola said:
Yes you sound silly as hell. For Carrick, promotion is the best outcome right now.
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im just worried if next season is like this with all the sackings he could get the boot to early and end up in the manager merry go round.
 
I can't imagine any club not wanting to go up.

The Championship is tough and there's guarantees you'll be in the playoffs next year. Barnsley finished 5th in the championship 2021 and then got relegated to league 1 the next season.
 
berbasloth4 said:
As silly as it sounds. I think not going up in playoffs could end up being best for him.

I believe any playoff winner next season will go straight down and the chances of losing a job will be higher.

I think with a summer to get few more of his players in he can probably win the league next season and be the team be more prepared for the premiership
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That does indeed sound very silly
 
MUFC OK said:
What makes you think that Carrick wouldn’t know what it takes to build a team capable of competing at the top of the PL given his experience?

He’s done a brilliant job with boro, shouldn’t even be considered for United yet, but he’s definitely on the radar for the future.
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Has he been successful if they don’t win promotion?
 
horsechoker said:
I can't imagine any club not wanting to go up.

The Championship is tough and there's guarantees you'll be in the playoffs next year. Barnsley finished 5th in the championship 2021 and then got relegated to league 1 the next season.
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The four clubs who contested the League One play-offs last season will be in four separate divisions next season if both Sunderland and Sheffield Weds win their matches.

It would be:

Sunderland - Prem
Sheffield Weds - Championship
Wycombe - League One
MK Dons - League Two
 
horsechoker said:
I can't imagine any club not wanting to go up.

The Championship is tough and there's guarantees you'll be in the playoffs next year. Barnsley finished 5th in the championship 2021 and then got relegated to league 1 the next season.
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obviously they want to go up. But we seen so many teams go up when clearly not ready. They spend a fortune on players who don’t click. Then when fighting for relegation the manager gets sacked.

regardless what he does in playoffs it’s been a massive success.
 
berbasloth4 said:
im just worried if next season is like this with all the sackings he could get the boot to early and end up in the manager merry go round.
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Look at it this way. If he manages promotion with Middlesbrough that automatically puts the feat of promotion on his resume. Even assuming he gets fired after 10 straight defeats in the PL, hiring him increases your chances of making it to the PL and getting on the money train. And what if he does better than that and keeps Middlesbrough in the PL for a few seasons? He's entered the manager carousel, always in consideration for a job.

If he doesn't get promotion with Middlesbrough there's no guarantee they win the championship next year. They could, or they could fall to midtable, or they could battle relegation. And then Carrick's prospects of managing in the PL take a nose dive if the outcome is less than perfect.

I see what you're saying but even the worst case scenario of him flopping in the PL is much better than any alternative that doesn't see Middlesbrough get promoted.
 
Amir said:
Maybe Carrick will turn out to be a superb manager. But over my years as a football supporter, I've seen quite a few clubs promoted to the PL with managers who were considered very promising, but never took the step up.
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Our very own Roy keane with Sunderland. Stormed the championship and goes back down if my memory serves me right
 
Sky1981 said:
Our very own Roy keane with Sunderland. Stormed the championship and goes back down if my memory serves me right
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Big difference is that Roy Keane took over Sunderland before the summer transfer window closed and went on a big money spending spree and immediately called in a lot favours with Man Utd loans and signing his mates like Yorke and Miller. Carrick took over a team near the relegation zone with one-third of the season gone already and only spent 900k in the January transfer window on a rotational midfielder from Rotherham. He also hasn't used his Man Utd connection at all.
 
No brainer, it would be much better for him if he gets them up right now. You have to take your opportunities in football, and especially as a manager because it's hard to make a reputation and pretty easy to feck one up. Any play off winner is going to need a lot of work on the squad, but that's one for the recruitment team and the owner to sort out. For Michael Carrick promotion is huge on his record, whereas being a "gallant play off contender" is not so huge on the record. If they don't get promoted now, it can go any which way next season. They might build on it and win the league, they might flop hard due to the disapointment of the situation. Some big clubs are going to get relegated and one or two of them could be strong next year.
 
philnguyen1994 said:
Big difference is that Roy Keane took over Sunderland before the summer transfer window closed and went on a big money spending spree and immediately called in a lot favours with Man Utd loans and signing his mates like Yorke and Miller. Carrick took over a team near the relegation zone with one-third of the season gone already and only spent 900k in the January transfer window on a rotational midfielder from Rotherham. He also hasn't used his Man Utd connection at all.
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Still... Succesding down there and up here is a totally different ball games.

I remember vaguely he was lauded as a great manager only to quit and never managed again

Just saying that doing well in the championship sometimes doesnt mean you'll do well in the EPL

Hell Potter and Moyes cant even repeat their success in the same league with a stronger team
 
I always want our ex players to succeed will be overjoyed if he does etc. was just looking what happened to many managers who get a side promoted chairmen get worried sack a young coach to get experience in.

however Middlesbrough chairman if it’s still terry Gibson was known to be quite patient and give managers a chance, hopefully still the case.

PS as reds are we not a little divided with Michael Carrick a legend vs Mark Robins who allegedly the man who saved fergies job which paved the way for our dominance
 
berbasloth4 said:
As silly as it sounds. I think not going up in playoffs could end up being best for him.

I believe any playoff winner next season will go straight down and the chances of losing a job will be higher.

I think with a summer to get few more of his players in he can probably win the league next season and be the team be more prepared for the premiership
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Eh, I think they'd much prefer fighting for survival in the Premier League competing with Burnley, Bournemouth, Notts Forest, and Sheffield United than try to win promotion in a league that will likely have Southampton, Leicester and Leeds.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I always want our ex players to succeed will be overjoyed if he does etc. was just looking what happened to many managers who get a side promoted chairmen get worried sack a young coach to get experience in.

however Middlesbrough chairman if it’s still terry Gibson was known to be quite patient and give managers a chance, hopefully still the case.

PS as reds are we not a little divided with Michael Carrick a legend vs Mark Robins who allegedly the man who saved fergies job which paved the way for our dominance
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Not divided at all, I hope they both do well.
 
chris123 said:
Eh, I think they'd much prefer fighting for survival in the Premier League competing with Burnley, Bournemouth, Notts Forest, and Sheffield United than try to win promotion in a league that will likely have Southampton, Leicester and Leeds.
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im never once mentioned what they’d prefer, just saying it could be best being hypothetical. I have seen too many teams come up when they weren’t ready, the team gets basically broken up. There is bunch of panic buys to try catch up. They don’t gel get bad results. The manager gets the boot and they go back down again.

i just think a Middlesbrough and Carrick with a full summer and bit of experience added would have a better chance staying up and carrick in a job than this team with bunch of rushed signings. Hope he proves me wrong
 
No way are they better staying down, better off up, ok Burnley walked away with it but proper buys, the bottom six and Sheffield United aren't that much stronger, obviously means you need most of buys to be a success, that will be where needs to show he has it, not going up and 3 Premier teams going down, tougher to get put of imo
 
berbasloth4 said:
As silly as it sounds. I think not going up in playoffs could end up being best for him.

I believe any playoff winner next season will go straight down and the chances of losing a job will be higher.

I think with a summer to get few more of his players in he can probably win the league next season and be the team be more prepared for the premiership
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Forest signed 24 players after coming up last summer
 
galwayfa said:
No way are they better staying down, better off up, ok Burnley walked away with it but proper buys, the bottom six and Sheffield United aren't that much stronger, obviously means you need most of buys to be a success, that will be where needs to show he has it, not going up and 3 Premier teams going down, tougher to get put of imo
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Agreed, you can never be better off staying down. Even if they get piped next season like Sheffield United in 2020-21 (they got 1 point from their first 16 games or something, so Boro can’t really do worse), the TV revenue, parachute payments etc will see them very well equipped to bounce back immediately, as Sheffield United pretty much have.

The only problem is if Carrick gets sacked amidst the hammerings, as Chris Wilder did then. Forest, not least their fans with their unwavering support of him, have done brilliantly to keep Steve Cooper in the job, and look to be reaping the rewards now.
 
Red00012 said:
Forest signed 24 players after coming up last summer
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yeah and have a good chance of going down. And a lot of them are on 1 year contracts or loans. They clearly weren’t ready. Mind you fair play they didn’t sack manager many other clubs would have
 
As much as he's making great strides as an upcoming manager and Rangnick was a disaster, surely our board couldn't have been that daft at the time to even consider him as the manager for anything more than the few games he managed.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I always want our ex players to succeed will be overjoyed if he does etc. was just looking what happened to many managers who get a side promoted chairmen get worried sack a young coach to get experience in.

however Middlesbrough chairman if it’s still terry Gibson was known to be quite patient and give managers a chance, hopefully still the case.

PS as reds are we not a little divided with Michael Carrick a legend vs Mark Robins who allegedly the man who saved fergies job which paved the way for our dominance
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I think you’ll find it’s Steve Gibson, not Terry the speedy leprechaun turned Spanish pundit
 
They'll be playing Coventry away at midday UK time for the first leg of their play-off semis. The game will be on Sky.



Away goals do not count, so hopefully they'll get at least a draw. Knowing Boro's gung-ho approach and terrible defending, it's probably more likely to be 2-0 or 0-2. They still have quite a few injury issues to key players too.
 
philnguyen1994 said:
They'll be playing Coventry away at midday UK time for the first leg of their play-off semis. The game will be on Sky.



Away goals do not count, so hopefully they'll get at least a draw. Knowing Boro's gung-ho approach and terrible defending, it's probably more likely to be 2-0 or 0-2. They still have quite a few injury issues to key players too.
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Viktor Gyökeres is a really good player for Cov.

21 goals and 10 assets, this season.
 
Second leg of their play-off semis home to Coventry kicking off in about 45 minutes. The first leg away at Coventry finished 0-0 and Boro has only been beaten once at home (by champions Burnley) under Carrick so most Boro fans are confident heading into this. They're still missing two key players in their captain Howson (CDM) and Ramsey (free-roaming LW, scores quite a few too). Carrick also gambled a bit and started RW Forss, who just returned from injury and didn't look match fit coming on as a sub in the first leg. Their best CB (Fry) is on the bench, but hasn't played at all for nearly 2 months due to injuries, so probably only there for emergency.



If they win this, they'll face Luton at Wembley.
 
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Boro were by far the better side on the first leg, expecting them to go through tonight.
 
Aye, Boro are 5/6 with the bookies, the first leg draw flattered Coventry by all accounts.
 
Golden opportunity at home. They should be putting this one away.
 
Unfortunate end to the season for Carrick. It felt like there was a real opportunity for him to get Boro up.

Unrelated to Carrick but from the glimpse I caught I was impressed by Hayden Hackney again. He'd obviously have to step up a level but United could use a player of that profile.
 
Having his first summer in management also be his club's first in the Premier League for a good few years would've been a lot, as much as I'm sure he wanted it.

Worse things than a full season in The Championship.
 
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