The exact same as we play right now. Ozil in for Mkhi/Mata and they drop to the bench and Lingard drops out. Its straight forward. Do you not understand what Mourinho is doing right now?
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So write out a formation with Ozil included, and who is on the bench and who is left out. You can't say 'the same as we are doing now' because right now we don't have to deal with Zlatan and Pogba. So actually you have to say 'the exact same as we play right now, but including Pogba, Zlatan and Ozil with X, X, X dropping out'. Whoever those 3 theoretically replace on the field goes to the bench, and those 3 players currently on the bench drop out. I'm interested to see who you think we'll field, and who has to just accept not playing because there isn't any room for them.
We are in 4 competitions, we're going to rotate. Have you looked at the benches of other top teams?
Lukaku
Rashford/Martial - Ozil - Mata
Matic - Pogba
The same as we've been playing but with Ozil over Mkhi or switch it with Mata. Zlatan won't be a guaranteed starter.
Rotating seems like a very simple way to solve it but it doesn't really work like that. Rotation works with squad players who don't mind not playing quite a few games and just coming in for certain competitions, but it doesn't work with first 11 players who want/need to play every game. The benches of other top teams don't have anything like that kind of strength. In the lineup you just proposed, you have Herrera, Fellaini, Mkhi, Lingard and Zlatan completely missing. You can't fill the bench with them, Lingard may accept never being on the bench and only playing cup games, Fellaini is not going to be relegated to the bench permanently when Jose sees him as one of our more important players, and this forum bitches to hell and back about Herrera when he doesn't get games and now he's being relegated to the bench or only playing cup games. Carrick is a rotational player for other competitions, not players who are strong enough for the first 11. Also I think Zlatan is going to play a more prominent role than you are giving him credit for. These are first team players, not rotational for cup competitions.
What the feck are you on about?
For what?
Andre Gray?
Edit - I think you mean Demarai Gray? Andre Gray is ex Burnley currently at Watford.
Fit David Silva, Bernardo Silva, Jesus, Aguero, Sane, Gundogan, Fernandinho, Yaya, De Bruyne and Sterling into a lineup.
Fit Ronaldo, Kroos, Benzema, Modric, Bale, Casemiro, Vasquez, Llorente, Asensio, Mayoral, Isco, Kovacic, Dani Ceballos in a lineup.
Who misses out?
It's pretty obvious. I don't think you can make a lineup with our current squad + Pogba and Zlatan and Ozil on top without leaving out players that should be playing. I'd love to see your thoughts on our lineup and bench, and why the players that you'll have to completely leave out because there simply isn't enough room for all of them in XI + subs - should be left out.
For starters, you've listed 10 players to the 12 I listed which immediately makes it a little easier. Gundogan and Yaya barely play. Aguero has been injured which is the reason that Jesus has been playing. They've been playing 4141 which makes it easier to fit 5 midfielders and now that Aguero is back they'll no doubt have a bit of a headache trying to fit them all in since Jesus has shown how talented he is. Jesus might go back to the bench in place of Aguero, but if they choose to play them both then they need to drop a midfielder and so can't fit in the players you've just mentioned. Bernardo Silva start from the bench and I don't really know too much about what City fans think of their calibre and whether they deserve to be on the bench or starting. My contention is the players that get left out of our team trying to fit Pogba, Zlatan and Ozil in don't deserve to be on the bench or dropped and there isn't enough room in our team to fit them any other way. We're not going to play 1 up front as City are when we're trying to develop Rashford plus our main striker Lukaku plus a returning Zlatan which leaves less space to fit in midfielders especially if you want a number 10 as well.
Going to be honest, I know nothing about RM these days and haven't heard of half the players you just listed so I can't comment there.
Henrikh was supposed to be that player, his last season in Dortmund was so good... I can name a few interesting options: Gotze, Draxler, Saul, Koke. Even though they would cost at least 40 million in this inflated market, I imagine United got the money. I'm sure Mourinho ain't looking at them though. I don't want United to sign a prospect like Fekir, it has to be a proven player at world class level in some capacity, that's why Ozil on a free is kind of a no brainer..
Koke will fit our team like glove.
I disagree. Zlatan isn't going to play every game unless Mourinho plans 2 up top, which I doubt he'd do for all games. It's either Zlatan up top and a 10 in behind or Lukaku with a 10 in behind. Whether it's been Ozil, Sneijder, Lampard, mkhi or Hazard, Mourinho has always favoured having a number 10 that's an all rounder.
I don't think Lukaku will play in that role in behind Zlatan and I don't think it's vice versa. Mourinho has previously said he wants his 10 to be able to do everything, and neither striker can do that in the 10.
The only 10 that can do that on paper is Mkhi, but he's been far from convincing since joining and isnt getting younger either. Ozil is a similar age and established. Mourinho knows his work ethic and how to motivate him, he also does the business in the 10.
Signing Ozil just affects Mkhi and Lingard, and both deserve to be dropped a notch from their current standings. The only reason Mkhi is managing to start despite being so poorly is because there is no current competition for his role in the side. It's just him in mourinhos eyes, and Lingard.
On a free OK, otherwise No.
Watch the last two games of Ozil (Arsenal vs. Man City and England vs. Germany). He offers no urgency that we've lacked. When we have our backs against the wall and not able to create or penetrate a defense, I don't see Ozil making a difference.
Fair point, but our squad is better than Arsenal's. I'm sure here he would be able to impact games more. One thing that people seem to be missing is that sometimes he offers a good threat in one on one situations. There are numerous videos of him taking on players in the wings at Madrid for example. Not sure how much of that speed he has retained, but he ain't limited to just passes and assists.
If we cannot penetrate a defence, we need the players playing deeper to hold the ball, keep the ball, relieve any pressure and keep recycling the ball. We need our AM to create the chance once we find that space. Ozil will find Lukaku with the passes, we just need to ensure we have a tempo and drive in our team, especially from midfield (Pogba & Matic).
feck it, I'll take anybody. If it gives Mou an excuse to play attacking football, I'll have anyone come in. #bringbackmybebe
Swap him for Miki.
With the recent frustrations with Miki’s play, must say it’s very tempting! My only problem is that he has a lot of mileage on him. Like Rooney, he’s been playing a lot for club and country. I would rather us go for fresher options with potential.
100% yes. We need technical players in the final third who can control the ball, bring others into play and not loose it like Mkhi does 9/10.
What ?? against England he created an easy chance that Werner missed.
Another bottler in big games, no thanks.
Not that i necessarily want Ozil, but i disagree here that having him would make a problem with selection. Lukaku, rashford/martial on the left and pogba in midfield are the only lovked in positions. Ozil would be the 10, and probably matic next to pogba. Herrera knows he is a squad player who is back up in midfield to pogba, and potentially comes in to make it a midfield 3 in tough games. Mkhitaryan is shite anyway, mata misses out in plenty of games and doesnt do much anyway. Lingard is forever a squad player at best and I'm sure he knows that, only getting occasional games. Ibra is 35/36 and will be coming back from an ACL tear, and besides, there's no chance he plays up top with lukaku unless its a last ditch hoofing into the box thing. Fellaini is still the same squad player role, competing with herrera to come in midfield when someine gets injured or if we want to go long.
The only played ozil will impact when it comes to play time are mkhitaryan and mata, who I wouldnt bat an eyelid if both were sold in January. Both are average at best.
I'm reading people in this thread saying they wouldn't want Ozil. I would like people to point how many players are better than him at his position. This would be a fantastic hiring.
How many times has Mkhitaryan ran straight into the defence in a situation like this?
Miki probably would have been muscled off the ball before he got the chance to even run at the defence.
Jose definitely needs to bring him to our team if there is a chance. he was great against France. much much better than mkhi.
Make it happen Mou. Ozil surrounded by Lukaku, Pogba, Martial and Rashers would get the best out of him.
I'd take anyone to never have to see Mkhi give the ball away and kill every counter again.
He’s a great player but I don’t think he’s the solution to our problems.
He’s slow and weak and often goes invisible at times. We would be better with an aggressive fighter like Dele Alli in the middle. (for example)
He’s slow and weak and often goes invisible at times. We would be better with an aggressive fighter like Dele Alli in the middle. (for example)
We need him!
It seems like if he ran harder stomping about and left his foot in on players people would like him more. Makes no sense to me.
He can be great on the counter, keeps the ball, and is very creative. Managed by Mourinho before. Still great for Germany. Will be on a free. Would be a GREAT signing.
It seems like if he ran harder stomping about and left his foot in on players people would like him more. Makes no sense to me.
He can be great on the counter, keeps the ball, and is very creative. Managed by Mourinho before. Still great for Germany. Will be on a free. Would be a GREAT signing.
Not really. Alli is more like a second striker and Ozil is a proper no. 10. We need more creative players in our team. Right now Pogba is the only one who can make a pass to cut the defence.
Spot on.
I can see him joining in January if the Fellaini reports are true.
Was watching him closely today. He very rarely makes the wrong decision in the final third. His weight of pass, timing and execution are impeccable, and he'd be absolutely ideal for a counter attacking side. He would definitely provide the cutting edge we lack, and a huge upgrade on Lingard, Mickey and Mata.
No brainer for me. Whether it's on a free in the summer or a nominal fee in January.
No brainer for me. Whether it's on a free in the summer or a nominal fee in January.
Matic, Pogba & Ozil in midfield
.That vs Fernandinho, De Bruyne & Silva is difficult to call.
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