Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

[Stookie]

Ozil isn't physically slow.

Just mentally

 

[Yagami]

Fekir definitely isn't as quick as Ozil. I don't like Ozil and Fekir is my favourite player to currently watch but Fekir's speed is one of his biggest flaws whereas when Ozil is actually sprinting he's actually very fast.

 

[Distracted Steward]

I’m afraid he’d be the worst of Mata and Mkhitaryan combined. The team already struggles imposing itself. He’s a luxury player that would only make it worse.

 

[VorZakone]

His career has somewhat been on a downward trajectory. He is 29 (!), an age where he should be competing for trophies both domestic and in the CL.

 

[sammsky1]

His career has somewhat been on a downward trajectory. He is 29 (!), an age where he should be competing for trophies both domestic and in the CL.

Might be a case of Arsenal move being a disastrous choice at that point in time.

He is obviously a very classy player, but one who needs otheRsbon his wavelength to thrive.

Given Mourinho knows his capacity inside out, he is the perfect judge to asses if he would elevate our play.

One never knows, he maybe the ‘cantona’ type final piece which our squad needs to achieve greatness .

 

[Distracted Steward]

Might be a case of Arsenal move being a disastrous choice at that point in time.

He is obviously a very classy player, but one who needs otheRsbon his wavelength to thrive.

Given Mourinho knows his capacity inside out, he is the perfect judge to asses if he would elevate our play.

One never knows, he maybe the ‘cantona’ type final piece which our squad needs to achieve greatness .

That’s an unfortunate comparison.

Cantona was had a strong personality and was a driving force in the team. We need that.

Özil just isn’t that. I am afraid he would disappear here instead of somehow elevating the team.

 

[bond19821982]

Mata out Mezut in. Win win for everyone.

 

[sammsky1]

That’s an unfortunate comparison.

Cantona was had a strong personality and was a driving force in the team. We need that.

Özil just isn’t that. I am afraid he would disappear here instead of somehow elevating the team.

We also need a creative playmaker, of which neither Mata nor Mhkitariyan seem cabable of being.

 

[haram]

I’m afraid he’d be the worst of Mata and Mkhitaryan combined. The team already struggles imposing itself. He’s a luxury player that would only make it worse.

We create feck all without Pogba. I dont get when people say he'll be worse than that waste of space Mkhitaryan.

 

[Theonas]

We also need a creative playmaker, of which neither Mata nor Mhkitariyan seem cabable of being.

No one bar Messi or a peak Iniesta would be able to be that in our current team.

 

[Theonas]

We create feck all without Pogba. I dont get when people say he'll be worse than that waste of space Mkhitaryan.

I don't think he would be worse. I think he would be about the same. That type of player are all about movement and bodies flooding the final third. When they have that like Kagawa at Dortmund, Mata at Chelsea, Özil at Real and at times Arsenal, they can look world beaters. When they don't, they are as you put it "a waste of space".

 

[SATA]

I don't think we'll get him in January when Zlatan is still here and is probably going to play behind Lukaku. Maybe in the summer when Zlatan leaves and Jose still wants Ozil

 

[poacher]

Fekir definitely isn't as quick as Ozil. I don't like Ozil and Fekir is my favourite player to currently watch but Fekir's speed is one of his biggest flaws whereas when Ozil is actually sprinting he's actually very fast.

You obviously have seen quite a bit Fekir. What do you think? Is he better for Manchester United than Ozil? Also isn't Fekir more versatile than Ozil, with an ability to play as a winger as well as a #10. Also, has Fekir slowed down as I have read scout reports that mentions one of his strengths is his speed and I have watched him play and he looked quick and skilful.

 

[Yagami]

You obviously have seen quite a bit Fekir. What do you think? Is he better for Manchester United than Ozil? Also isn't Fekir more versatile than Ozil, with an ability to play as a winger as well as a #10. Also, has Fekir slowed down as I have read scout reports that mentions one of his strengths is his speed and I have watched him play and he looked quick and skilful.

Yeah, I've seen every Lyon game this year and quite a few last year so I know a bit about him. I'd personally have him over Ozil everyday and, in my opinion, he'd instantly be one of the better players in the league. I rate him very highly. He can create so we'd have another playmaker but he loves getting into the box to score, too, so he isn't always coming deep to create.

He is pretty versatile. He plays as the #10 in every game near enough but I've seen him play as a CF (away to Juve last year, and when Lyon have a man sent off it's usually Mariano who's subbed with Fekir playing there) & as a CM when a player is sent off until the Mariano sub. Both to a good standard. I think he'd do alright on the right but I've yet to see him there myself.

As for his speed I wouldn't say he was Mata/Blind slow but I don't think it's a strength of his. He's very fast off the mark (which is why he's so good at pressing) and when dribbling he carries the ball quicker than most (with the ball glued to his feet to boot) but he isn't the fastest sprinter. He got a bad injury a couple of years ago which kept him out for around a year which surely slowed him down a bit. Before said injury I hadn't seen him play!lay before so the scout reports you were referring to could've been on point back then but I wouldn't agree with them now.

 

[lawliet354]

No one bar Messi or a peak Iniesta would be able to be that in our current team.

Nah, our main problem with Pogba out right now is that the no.10 is pretty much useless in playmaking, even Pereira would improve the team right now

 

[Maradona10]

Mkhi/ ozil exchange would be great for us and arsenal, he would suit arsenal's style more, Ozil would suit ours more. Hope this happens, but its unlikely.

 

[2 man midfield]

I still think we have an excellent number 10 in Mata, rotting on the right wing/bench. If we signed an actual right winger we wouldn't need Ozil.

 

[Distracted Steward]

We create feck all without Pogba. I dont get when people say he'll be worse than that waste of space Mkhitaryan.

As good as Mhkitaryan is at hide and seek, Özil is even better. When it isn’t coming easily, the man could go for tea and no one would notice. He is precisely what we don’t need.

 

[Mcking]

Ozil was completely useless against City. I don't think he would take us to a higher level. Some would say that he would be better than Mhiki and Mata at No. 10 which is probably right but I would rather have someone with more pace and urgency. Our passes are so sluggish and lack urgency. Our players also don't possess the intelligence of running into space and creating chances. We need pace and speed. We need someone who can offer direct style of play.

You just described Ozil.

 

[BluesJr]

Sign.

 

[beingshe7don]

You just described Ozil.

Nope... Ozil in his prime probably but not the current one whose past it.

 

[Devil81]

I still think we have an excellent number 10 in Mata, rotting on the right wing/bench. If we signed an actual right winger we wouldn't need Ozil.

Mata has been at United 3 years, he's not the answer to our problems.

He's a squad player at best.

 

[Mcking]

Nope... Ozil in his prime probably but not the current one whose past it.

Even current Ozil still have those qualities.

 

[2 man midfield]

Mata has been at United 3 years, he's not the answer to our problems.

He's a squad player at best.

Not when played on the right, it doesn't play to his strengths. But get two pacy wingers stretching play either side of him, and he'll have room to pick passes for days.

 

[Zarlak]

Where are you going to fit him. Zlatan, Rashford, Lukaku, Mikhi, Herrera, Martial, Fellaini, Matic, Mata, Lingard, Ozil and Pogba for 6 positions. It's too much, you can't fill your bench with all 5 of those players when you also need defenders and goalkeepers and so who out of those is going to accept not even being on the bench? Kids will never play when we've got 13 players in for 6 positions.

 

[VP89]

Where are you going to fit him. Zlatan, Rashford, Lukaku, Mikhi, Herrera, Martial, Fellaini, Matic, Mata, Lingard, Ozil and Pogba for 6 positions. It's too much, you can't fill your bench with all 5 of those players when you also need defenders and goalkeepers and so who out of those is going to accept not even being on the bench?

He goes in Mkhis position.

 

[Lawman]

Not when played on the right, it doesn't play to his strengths. But get two pacy wingers stretching play either side of him, and he'll have room to pick passes for days.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with you for Mata I believe there are better options than him out there (Ozil, Griezmann) the obvious ones.

 

[Zarlak]

He goes in Mkhis position.

Make a front 6 out of those players, and suggest who out of the rest of them is going to happily sit on the bench every match and who is going to accept not even being on the bench, and who we should sell, and where are kids going to fit into it?

 

[2 man midfield]

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with you for Mata I believe there are better options than him out there (Ozil, Griezmann) the obvious ones.

Yeah I'd much rather have Griezmann than any of them.

 

[Lawman]

Yeah I'd much rather have Griezmann than any of them.

Plus another right winger with the ability to beat a man (Sanchez, RM) would be nice or some young gun that have been mentioned would be nice. The kid Andre Gray looks a good player closer to these shores.

 

[VP89]

Make a front 6 out of those players, and suggest who out of the rest of them is going to happily sit on the bench every match and who is going to accept not even being on the bench, and who we should sell, and where are kids going to fit into it?

Zlatan would be on the bench more, and the likelihood is he won't be as fit as he was pre injury anyway. He probably wouldn't mind being treated with caution tbh. Mkhi I don't care about being happy or not. He doesn't perform anywhere nearly consistently enough and should be on the bench right now, with or without Ozil.

I'd take Ozil and reduce Mkhi to the bench. It doesn't change our team much, just demotes Lingard off the bench.

 

[Needham]

I was dead against this because I hate the thought of the club writing this fake big name player a cheque for 200K every week. Now I find myself half way up the fence, maybe cause of our limp performances and City's weekly goal riot. Anyway else find themselves in the don't know camp?

 

[Zarlak]

Zlatan would be on the bench more, and the likelihood is he won't be as fit as he was pre injury anyway. He probably wouldn't mind being treated with caution tbh. Mkhi I don't care about being happy or not. He doesn't perform anywhere nearly consistently enough and should be on the bench right now, with or without Ozil.

I'd take Ozil and reduce Mkhi to the bench. It doesn't change our team much, just demotes Lingard off the bench.

There's no chance that Zlatan is going to be on the bench, and no way would I want Mkhi to leave and Lingard won't accept never playing at all - especially as Jose seems to favour him as an impact sub. But if you take Ozil and reduce Mkhi to the bench, then where are you fitting Herrera, Pogba, Martial, Fellaini, Matic, Mata and Lingard? There are not enough positions available, and you're going to have to sell 3-4 or have them accept that they're just never going to play. Or come up with some absurd system where you constantly rotate all of them which none of them are going to be happy with and our squad wouldn't have any harmony. Then you've got the issue of no room for anyone to break into the squad either. Forget developing any youth.

At some point you have to just say 'okay we can't physically fit every good player in the league into our team, no matter how cheap they are'.

 

[limerickcitykid]

There's no chance that Zlatan is going to be on the bench, and no way would I want Mkhi to leave and Lingard won't accept never playing at all - especially as Jose seems to favour him as an impact sub. But if you take Ozil and reduce Mkhi to the bench, then where are you fitting Herrera, Pogba, Martial, Fellaini, Matic, Mata and Lingard? There are not enough positions available, and you're going to have to sell 3-4 or have them accept that they're just never going to play. Or come up with some absurd system where you constantly rotate all of them which none of them are going to be happy with and our squad wouldn't have any harmony. Then you've got the issue of no room for anyone to break into the squad either. Forget developing any youth.

At some point you have to just say 'okay we can't physically fit every good player in the league into our team, no matter how cheap they are'.

How does buying 1 player mean 3-4 will never play? Where is the math in that? How does Ozil replacing Mkhi affect Pogba, Matic or Herrera at all? They don't play the same position.

 

[Zarlak]

How does buying 1 player mean 3-4 will never play? Where is the math in that? How does Ozil replacing Mkhi affect Pogba, Matic or Herrera at all? They don't play the same position.

I didn't say that buying one player meant that 3-4 will never play, I said that we already have too many players for the positions and adding another is pointless. I gave you our first team midfielders and strikers, feel free to try and make them fit with Ozil on top of that. Ozil has been playing on the wing for Arsenal rather than in the 10 role that he wants to play in, he plays across midfield. He would compete with Pogba for a playmaker role, and even if you want to ignore the fact that he plays on the wing for Arsenal and just focus on the central midfield then you are trying to squeeze him in to Fellaini (who Jose said there's more chance of him leaving than Fellaini), Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Mkhi and maybe Mata. Pogba is without a doubt going to go straight back into our team as the first name on the team sheet after DDG when he comes back from injury. You're not going to pair him with Ozil, relegating Matic, Herrera, Mkhi and Fellaini to the bench. Especially if Zlatans reintroduction means that Rashford/Lingard/Martial play wide with Zlatan/Lukaku heading the attack, maybe if he plays on the wing for us like he complains about doing for Arsenal then there's more of a case because there's less players to displace and balancing the central midfield with an attacking playmaker and a defensive player isn't then an issue but he hates playing there anyway.

Essentially, we already have too many players in our midfield/attack to fit into a starting 11 plus subs and adding another one to that list seems pointless. Take the defenders and goalkeeper out and we have at least 12 first team players to fit into 6 positions. That's without including kids, or Carrick. I'm not saying Ozil means that 3-4 will never play, but that we already have this problem and adding more players doesn't fix that.

 

[breakout67]

Its quite straight forward.

Put Mkhi on the right, Ozil in the no.10 and get rid of Mata. I'd get rid of lingard aswell but he's homegrown so we might have to keep him.

 

[pocco]

I was dead against this because I hate the thought of the club writing this fake big name player a cheque for 200K every week. Now I find myself half way up the fence, maybe cause of our limp performances and City's weekly goal riot. Anyway else find themselves in the don't know camp?

I've seen a few people say this and I don't understand it. If you think a player isn't good enough, why start to change your mind when things don't go well? Surely if you don't think they're good enough then they will only exacerbate the prpblems.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

Definately worth it on a free. I'd like to see Griezmann come in and a right sided AM also to supplement the attack. Sell Mkhi, Mata, Lingard and maybe even Herrera if need be. We have too many similar type players, need something different.

 

[limerickcitykid]

I didn't say that buying one player meant that 3-4 will never play, I said that we already have too many players for the positions and adding another is pointless. I gave you our first team midfielders and strikers, feel free to try and make them fit with Ozil on top of that. Ozil has been playing on the wing for Arsenal rather than in the 10 role that he wants to play in, he plays across midfield. He would compete with Pogba for a playmaker role, and even if you want to ignore the fact that he plays on the wing for Arsenal and just focus on the central midfield then you are trying to squeeze him in to Fellaini (who Jose said there's more chance of him leaving than Fellaini), Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Mkhi and maybe Mata. Pogba is without a doubt going to go straight back into our team as the first name on the team sheet after DDG when he comes back from injury. You're not going to pair him with Ozil, relegating Matic, Herrera, Mkhi and Fellaini to the bench. Especially if Zlatans reintroduction means that Rashford/Lingard/Martial play wide with Zlatan/Lukaku heading the attack.

Essentially, we already have too many players in our midfield/attack to fit into a starting 11 plus subs and adding another one to that list seems pointless. Take the defenders and goalkeeper out and we have at least 12 first team players to fit into 6 positions. That's without including kids, or Carrick. I'm not saying Ozil means that 3-4 will never play, but that we already have this problem and adding more players doesn't fix that.

Honestly what are you on about? He won't be competing with Pogba at all. Pogba plays in the deep two. How does playing him with Pogba mean Matic won't play? Again Matic and Pogba play in the deep two. He'll really have no affect on the deep two at all so it won't change anything for Pogba, Matic or Ander. Fellaini is used for his qualities in certain situations and will continue to. I really have no clue why you're bringing CMs into it as he won't be playing there. No. 10 or on the right so its straight forward. He is taking Mkhi or Mata's spot. They'll play less and Lingard will then play less. If one of them wants to leave then they will leave. You're just listing more players it has very little relevance to, to make it seem a bigger problem when it really isn't.

 

[Zarlak]

Honestly what are you on about? He won't be competing with Pogba at all. Pogba plays in the deep two. How does playing him with Pogba mean Matic won't play? Again Matic and Pogba play in the deep two. He'll really have no affect on the deep two at all so it won't change anything for Pogba, Matic or Ander. Fellaini is used for his qualities in certain situations and will continue too. I really have no clue why you're bringing CMs into it as he won't be playing there. No. 10 or on the right so its straight forward. He is taking Mkhi or Mata's spot. They'll play less and Lingard will then play less. If one of them wants to leave then they will leave. You're just listing more players it has very little relevance to, to make it seem a bigger problem when it really isn't.

I really don't understand how many players you think are allowed to play at a time, or what formation you think they're all going to fit into. Try making a team with Ozil in it, and detail who you're putting on the bench and why, and who you're leaving out completely and why. I really don't understand how you're going to make this fit. We already have too many players.