No he isnt. And he is demanding a wage much more than he deserves. Mata is better for us who had really gelled into our team and keeps the spanish contingent happy in the team.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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No he isnt. And he is demanding a wage much more than he deserves. Mata is better for us who had really gelled into our team and keeps the spanish contingent happy in the team.
So he’d cost, what, a minimum of around £250k p/w (£13m p/a) basic a season, along with bonuses and image rights experts etc. that would probably put it closer to £300k p/w (£15.6m p/a), which on a 3 year deal is around £47m plus a signing on fee of at least 8 figures over the length of his deal (which would probably be paid in full if we decided to sell him) and a substantial loyalty bonus if he was to be sold during the term of his contract. If he saw out his deal here and left at the end of it he would cost us the better part of £60m. He might be on a free but he certainly wouldn’t be cheap.
If Mourinho thinks he can get him back to the level he was at under Mourinho at Real then yes, I want him and he'd be a massive upgrade in attack for us. That Ozil was a great player who could help to elevate a team and didn't shirk his defensive responsibilities.
If you think his drop in performances are related to Arsenal and Wenger issues which would be different at United under Mourinho, it seems like an easy yes. Mourinho has talked about not wanting to upset the harmony within the squad though and Ozil's performances have dropped so it's not a no brainer. I'm pretty conflicted tbh.
If you think his drop in performances are related to Arsenal and Wenger issues which would be different at United under Mourinho, it seems like an easy yes. Mourinho has talked about not wanting to upset the harmony within the squad though and Ozil's performances have dropped so it's not a no brainer. I'm pretty conflicted tbh.
If we sign Griezmann we would still have to pay him, probably at 250k p/w or more. Don't forget that Ozil will probably be replacing Ibra which means we would be balancing the books
I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just pointing out that, for all the talk in here of how it's a no brainer on a free, we'd actually struggle to even break even if he did flop and we sold him on, which is clearly a risk on a guy who hasn't been able to show any sort of consistent form over the last couple of seasons. Personally, I'd say Griezmann is a substantially better player, but that's by the by, I suppose.
Would love it if he signed with us. On form he is top class. Maybe Jose feels he can get him to that level again
Hope this happens 
Can't believe some of you lot are against this. He could be the difference in the CL with that extra bit of quality. With Matic and Ander, he doesn't really need to do any off the ball work
Can't believe some of you lot are against this. He could be the difference in the CL with that extra bit of quality. With Matic and Ander, he doesn't really need to do any off the ball work
Griezmann is 2 years younger than Ozil and he’s possibly a better player. However he would probably cost us around 100-120m in terms of transfer fee + another 40m-50m in terms of salary. Ozil might ask a signing on fee (maybe an extra 10-20mm) but he’ll probably be a 70m-90m cheaper then Griezmann is.
Considering that
a- Griezmann has been trolling us for quite some time especially last season when everything seems sealed only for him to back away
b- We’ve got some magnificent young talent waiting to shine, who might wait for a 28 year old to grow old but might not be comfortable competing with a 26 year old world class player in his prime
c- Griezmann would cost way more than Ozil will
d- We desperately needs to strengthen the rear flanks
Then maybe signing Ozil instead is hardly a bad idea at all
Ozil was Arsenal's POTY in 15/16, so I disagree that he was inconsistent, at least no more compared to the rest of his teammates. If we decided to go down your route of including signing fees and bonuses then no player is cheap and Griezmann would cost at least 3 times as much as Ozil, not to mention if Atletico refuse to negotiate we would have to pay the entire transfer fee in one go right there, while Ozil's fees would be paid over the length of his contract. It shouldn't be either or anyway, they have completely different profiles.
The Madrid version of Ozil joining us yes. The Arsenal version of Ozil joining us I would be very sceptical about.
If he does join however Ill support him regardless.
If he does join however Ill support him regardless.
I only referred to Griezmann in response to dev mentioning him and didn't even touch on the financials. I certainly don't see it as either/or, or even see them as being vaguely comparable, beyond some sort of nebulous "who is better?" discussion on an internet forum.
It's not really my "route", though, is it? Of course he'd be expensive, as is the case with any footballer of that level. That's hardly a piece of searing insight. My point was, quite obviously, in response to the "I'd take him on a free" crew, as if that means it's some sort of free swing, without ever considering the actual sorts of numbers behind a deal like this, with almost no potential resale value at the end of it as opposed to being potentially one of the biggest playing investments we'd ever have made (and, for example, without the sorts of commercial benefits that other high profile players bring with them).
Anyway, that's about all I can be arsed saying on that.
An interesting write up by Ryan Baldi on Ozil, Mkhi and Mata here.
Ozil at his best IMO is a better playmaker than both and posseses a combination of both's skill set. This transfer is really a no brainer.
Ozil at his best IMO is a better playmaker than both and posseses a combination of both's skill set. This transfer is really a no brainer.
I would take him on a free, why not. Him, Griezz, Martial/Rashford, and Lukaku/Zlatan? Should be an upgrade over what we have now.
No-brainer. He’s a better player than Mkhi and Mata, and available on a free.
Was against this but seems a better player than mkhi who is beginning to really irk me.
Completely different time in the players career. We dodged a bullet with Nasri and this guy is going to be Nasri no. 2. There are many other players out there we should consider before Özil.
Ozil is the best offensive midfielder in the world and by a long shot. People complaining about his work-rate are out of their minds. Who cares if he doesn't track back and disappear sometimes ? His main job is to give assists and decent through balls and he is great at that. United would win the champions league again with him in the squad.
Under mou he could potentially become world class again, plus they've worked together so both would know what to expect. We'd also be weakening a direct rival, have to make this happen if he's interested.
He's not even among the top 3 offensive midfielders in London.
Who's better than him in London, Fabregas? I have always felt Fabregas is way too overrated. Back in the day people were comparing him to Messi and C.Ronaldo.. Dele Ali ? He doesn't have Ozil's vision and accuracy. Eden Hazard ? He's a winger. Eriksen ? He dissapears more than Ozil. Come on...
Besides messing up the dressing room atmosphere you can't go much wrong with a free transfer.
Few in here have played too much fifa, Jose was right when he called him a coward. Mr workrate goes missing in the big games far too much, walking around waiting to do that silky pass with no fight for his team, nah your alright. Do we really want this passenger, he's been on holiday since he's came to England. Rather give Mata a new contract, someone who gets United. We have Miki and we are building something, go for Griezmann and get an upgrade.
"Free" makes it a no brainer!
I always thought he would end up at OT.
It was too curious that no one wanted him this summer, and not even his agents bothered to put any stories out. It always felt like he had already agreed to go somewhere next summer.
It was too curious that no one wanted him this summer, and not even his agents bothered to put any stories out. It always felt like he had already agreed to go somewhere next summer.
Fabregas aside, I'd take each and every one of them over Ozil in a central attacking role. Alexis Sanchez too. And David Silva. And De Bruyne. That's just the Premier League.
To go back to your original claim, are you sure you really want to hold to your view that Mesut Ozil is, "by a long shot", the best offensive midfield player in the entirety of world football? That Neymar, Iniesta, Isco, James, Koke, Reus, Lemar etc and the players already mentioned above, cannot even compete with him?
He's more or less close to a free swing compared to what other players would cost who would start for us at a position that's generally expensive. 50-60m (which I think is an overestimate considering Pogba is supposedly on 190k) over the length of his contract makes him less than Mata and probably on par with Oxlade-Chamberlain. At the end, I don’t see anyone who would start as one of the front four that would cost as anywhere cheap as Ozil.
He didn't help Real or Arsenal to the CL when her was a better player than he is now, and that Real team was better than our current side.
Given we are among the wealthiest clubs in world football, the aim of our transfer policy should probably be to find the best player, rather than the cheapest player.
I feel this is like the Matic transfer. A lot were lukewarm about the idea at first, but didn't realise just how good the actual player is under the right management.
That would be ideal but you can make an argument that we have more pressing concerns so resources should be saved for those that are more in need.
If he comes for free and don't feck up Griezmann coming, I would be really happy.
Especially when Mourinho was the guy the got the best out of him.
Especially when Mourinho was the guy the got the best out of him.
Yeah. There are right ones and then there are your ones.
Thought he was 25/26. Turns 29 in 10 days.
We most certainly will not add £500k per week (plus transfer/agent/signing fees) to the wage bill for two central attackers. It would be one or the other, or quite possibly neither.
This and the Matic threads before we brought him show the caf knows feck all about what makes a good footballer 
The guy works harder than most despite the shit he gets from the English press. Given the right management from Jose he'll be one of the best number 10 or right sided attackers in the world again. Anyone who wouldn't want him on a free is off their rocker and anyone who wouldn't be willing to pay a good amount of money for him in January would still be fecking mental IMO.
The guy works harder than most despite the shit he gets from the English press. Given the right management from Jose he'll be one of the best number 10 or right sided attackers in the world again. Anyone who wouldn't want him on a free is off their rocker and anyone who wouldn't be willing to pay a good amount of money for him in January would still be fecking mental IMO.
Players don't generally become crap overnight (Torres aside) unless they suffer a significant physical decline. Ozils regression appears to be more pyschological and if Jose believes this is something he can address, Meerut could be a brilliant signing.
I’d tend to agree, but the ‘psychological’ problems - or in other words extreme mollycoddling from Wenger - has been going for a few years now. Can a player snap out of that and return to his best so suddenly?
How are his performances for Germany, still?
I partially blame Arsenal and Wenger for Ozil’s demise. The lad is top class for Germany. I think he can shine again at United.
With Rashford, Martial, Lukaku and Pogba making runs around him I can see him flourish here (under Mourinho as well).
...but I would say the same about Mata if he wasn't ours already.
...but I would say the same about Mata if he wasn't ours already.
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