Wouldn’t have him even on a free. Mata and Mkhitaryan are fine for that role we should be after a new right winger if anything.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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Talent-wise he is a head above Mata and Micky, imo. Feels wrong to want someone to replace our hugging monster though 
If Mourinho wants to sign him, I'll be happy though.
If Mourinho wants to sign him, I'll be happy though.
If Ozil came here the irony would not be lost on Wayne Rooney
If he does sign let's not sing that awful Zidane chant about him, nor should we sing anything about his German penis.
Yep, him and and De Bruyne are going toe to toe for the crown of best player in the league. Ramsey would be a big asset at #10 in this team as well though.
Ozil is the definition of mercenary.
Would he be cup-tied in the champions league?
feck no.
The gooner implosion would be unreal.
That poll is neck and neck. I'd rather go buy Dybala though
Now that's random.
As if Mata and Mkh put in a defensive effort, he is no worse than them in that respect with the only difference being he is on another planet to them on the attacking/ assisting aspect
Just thinking out loud...
I wonder if a lot of the people here that are against us signing Ozil, were the same people that were against us signing the likes of Ibra / Matic / Lukaku?
I remember there were a lot of people annoyed that we had spent £40 million on Matic specifically, stating he was not the player of old.
I mean, surely you would just give Jose the benefit of the doubt, especially as Ozil has played his best football under him.
If he wants him then I'm confident he has a plan for him and it will make us a stronger team.
I wonder if a lot of the people here that are against us signing Ozil, were the same people that were against us signing the likes of Ibra / Matic / Lukaku?
I remember there were a lot of people annoyed that we had spent £40 million on Matic specifically, stating he was not the player of old.
I mean, surely you would just give Jose the benefit of the doubt, especially as Ozil has played his best football under him.
If he wants him then I'm confident he has a plan for him and it will make us a stronger team.
He is indeed on another planet. He is on the planet "I'm shit in 9/10 games".
This is not the case if you look past end product. Both eye test and stats prove that Sanchez is as lazy if not lazier (perhaps his position as the forward be another factor). Sanchez's style is naturally intense and more aggressive than Ozil's. However, this past season, he didn't work as much as he used to off the ball.
Arsenal is in EL. IIRC regarding the rule, he wouldn't be if he'd join in January. I don't think we would want to pay some fee in January though. This if happens, would be for the summer.
Yup, I'm in the same boat. I love mocking Houdini like nobody else on here I guess, but if Jose can do with him what he has done with the other players he brought in, I think it could work.
My eye test tells me Sanchez doesn't lack commitment to the team, Ozil has been seen many times simply hands on hipping it after losing the ball, the attitudes are markedly different.
I can't question your judgement so we can agree to disagree for this point. I wouldn't base solely on stats either, but it's there to use as reference and recheck watching Arsenal games last season.
Edit: Another reference point that some not so reliable source makes some point in regarding the Chilean fan ain't impressed with Sanchez lately as well as the NT former coach said he's not in the best shape. If some South American poster can input about the reliability of these info, that would be useful.
I've seen the stat graph regarding who has covered the most ground but that doesn't really tell you enough, you can cover ground getting out of the way and hiding as Ozil often does for Arsenal, Sanchez is angry no doubt and I think his attitude isn't helpful for team morale at times, but Ozil is the invisible man when it's tough.
If Jose chooses to go for him then sure. But here we're stating our personal opinions on the matter. We don't know where Jose sits on this anyway
I know what you meant that's why I said I would not base my judgement entire on stats. I watched Arsenal games last season and I saw a different Sanchez than before. He's not as hard working as before. Like I said at this point we can agree to disagree on this point and respect each other judgement on the matter.
Onto Ozil, while it's subtle due to his style, he is indeed better in Germany shirt than he showed for Arsenal so it's likely the motivation issue. We can say Germany have players who can carry him unlike Arsenal, but I believe we do too, so IF Ozil is to come here, he would have better platform and his talent getting squeezed more out.
I get your point, all players want to be on a wining team no doubt but what separates great sportsman and good sportsman is their ability to be leaders and influence results. I just don't see Sanchez and Ozil as having that edge. Sanchez is more forgivable as his stats are decent.
I look at MU over last few years and the same could be said of our rooster but you don't see DDG, Mata, Fellini, and etc. leaving anytime? Zlatan has the most easy excuse to cruise. He would have gotten a better wage and better schedule, why is he busting his butt to make a comeback? Because Zlatan has that edge. Arsenal has a top striker and a good team, if you consider Sanchez and Ozil as better than anyone on current MU rooster how come they can't change the fortune of Arsenal?
I think you and the other posters had good valid points.
I think it's both the case Sanchez Ozil, Kolscielny... ain't leader as well as the environment Wenger created where they're too indulgent on talent, potential, but lack the mental edge, leadership.
Thing is these players shouldn't be expected to be the leader at other clubs. The other clubs have platform, the leaders in place. These guys would just be the cutting edge. So that wouldn't be an issue
Well, we have appointed one of the best 3 managers in the world and for sure have a certain project for the future, while the problem with Arsenal is that they're hopeless team. They have extinct manager and not building anything for the future. With United you can see the club is building something and return to trophies will be sooner or later, while with Arsenal it's more of the same, same terrible manager with same terrible transfer policies and same terrible results over and over and over again. You can't blame anyone for starting to look at himself a bit. Sanchez and Ozil have given the best years of their career to Arsenal waiting for the team to evolve but nothing is even pointing that the club is trying to evolve. It's time both look for trophies in other club.
It has always been the same for all big Arsenal players. At certain point they realize it's time to leave and look for a club stronger enough to win titles. Fabregas, RVP, Nasri, Sagna, now Sanchez and Ozil. Even Henry at certain point joined Barcelona to fill his CV with more trophies. They can't all be at fault. The club is just a hopeless toxic environment for any player that they decide at certain point there's no need to keep wasting time, it's time to move to start winning trophies.
It's sad but I'm pretty much at the point where anyone Jose wants is fine with me. The man has earned my trust.
Rather Ozil on a free than Griezmann for 92m. Sometimes a player needs a new motivation to get his career and enthusiasm back on track, and he's a great player who already knows the PL and need no adaptation like Mkhi. Hopefully he sees that from Jose and United if he does come
Talent-wise he is a head above Mata and Micky, imo. Feels wrong to want someone to replace our hugging monster though
If Mourinho wants to sign him, I'll be happy though.
Mata has been the PL best player. Has Ozil ever?
If it means Mata leaving, I don't want it.
But he is a world class player. Slow, inconsistent and sometimes lazy but when he turns it on? He's unplayable.
If Jose wants him, I want him. Mourinho knows how to win trophies and if he thinks Mesut can do it for us, why not? Probably not a priority though, another CAM.
But he is a world class player. Slow, inconsistent and sometimes lazy but when he turns it on? He's unplayable.
If Jose wants him, I want him. Mourinho knows how to win trophies and if he thinks Mesut can do it for us, why not? Probably not a priority though, another CAM.
Yeah, I just don't see him adding value in any way. He would would be better served staying at Arsenal and winning Europa and transfer over summer, but as it stands to leave Arsenal so high and dry, it does not look promising. He would be deadweight at MU.
He needs a new challenge, his heart is definitely not at Arsenal any more. Bags of talent, with the right players around him he will thrive again!! Plus his assist record is incredible. We need good players like this to fight on all fronts!!
Was he?
Edit: only go by Wikipedia, Ozil outdid Mata in the individual award department. Can anyone confirm regarding the German player of the year award? By the look of it Ozil dominated like half a decade
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Less workrate, questionable mentality, slow and weak, poor in front of goal and always goes missing when the occasion is big. I'm really not sure Ozil is as far ahead of Mata and Mkhi as the caf likes to think he is. he infuriates non-Arsenal supporters with his work rate so I'm not sure just what he will subject most of us to if he actually players here. Plus he is getting older and pushing 30 now, if we could we should go for someone younger lest we end up with a squad full of players needing replacing again in just 2-3 years.
I think people are underestimating the length and hard schedule of the season. We will need quality for the champions league. We will need another attacker now is ozil that guy?I would want a bit more in that but him on a free is very tempting. I can understand club and jose looking at him, top 4 quality atl east, available on cheap and willing to work under mourinho.
Maybe he is a secondary option to Griezmann as i cant see Ozil and Griezmann in the same team unless we plan to let Mata go, which might happen as ozil is on similar level a bit younger and Taller(
). Jose always likes to stockpile Attacking mids, maybe its all talk from ozil's agent so that he could get him a club. Hopefully some clarity in this regards in january. He is very close to Mou, his book's foreward was written by Mourinho even, tactically he does the job jose likes. It looks like matic deal. I would want griezmann, if we are selling Mata (or letting him go on a free) then Ozil isnt a bad option. Maybe jose only wants one Midget in the team and Griezmann is better midget than Mata.
Maybe he is a secondary option to Griezmann as i cant see Ozil and Griezmann in the same team unless we plan to let Mata go, which might happen as ozil is on similar level a bit younger and Taller(
). Jose always likes to stockpile Attacking mids, maybe its all talk from ozil's agent so that he could get him a club. Hopefully some clarity in this regards in january. He is very close to Mou, his book's foreward was written by Mourinho even, tactically he does the job jose likes. It looks like matic deal. I would want griezmann, if we are selling Mata (or letting him go on a free) then Ozil isnt a bad option. Maybe jose only wants one Midget in the team and Griezmann is better midget than Mata.Maybe but the great thing about Jose if Ozil was still shit, went missing or down tools he'd find himself very quickly out the door.
After their last game there were Arsenal fans complaining about Sanchez doing this exact thing.
I want him reunited with Mourinho. The supply he'd give Lukaku and co would be incredible.
Ozil was the best 10 in Europe not named Iniesta before he came to the EPL.....
Good one ...
I would definitely take him on a free. He is really talented and Jose know how to get the best out of him
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