Mesut Özil

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Disagree about his problems being down to losing a yard of pace. In the games when he's been at his best (or "very good", as you say) he's been plenty quick enough to do the opposition damage. His main problems at United have been misplaced passes, lack of concentration and a tendency to fade dramatically after half time.

Impossible to know if a fractured fibula has turned him from someone who was lightening quick to someone who is merely "just quick enough" but I would say that's extremely unlikely. As leg fractures go, it's relatively minor.

I think it was Tim Vickery, who I rate, who suggested Anderson has perhaps lost his ability to accelerate as lightning quick as he did rather than his pace... Worth listening to as Vickery watched Anderson a lot as a 17 year old and thought he was watching a future world beater. Vickery rates Anderson's performance for Brasil at the u17 tournament as some of the best individual performances he's ever seen, regardless of age. Needless to say, he's sceptical about playing him in a more defensive role and thinks it might be because of the effects of injuries...

I once spoke to a football agent who worked mostly at bringing Brasilians over to the Bundesliga. He told me that he's not met a single Brasilian player who was a good trainer - they all try and get by without doing anything at all.

You can see this throughout the European leagues- Robinho, Ronaldinho, Anderson... For me, it puts Ronaldinho's career into perspective - obviously someone got him to apply himself and got 3 or 4 wonderful years from him. Rather than complain it's not enough we should be grateful for just that.

Ferguson obviously thinks he can convince Anderson to put in a similar workload but I think it'll be a mammoth task getting Anderson to work as hard as other United players for any length of time...
 
I once spoke to a football agent who worked mostly at bringing Brasilians over to the Bundesliga. He told me that he's not met a single Brasilian player who was a good trainer - they all try and get by without doing anything at all.

What a complete load of rubbish. If our kids trained half as hard as the kids do over in BraZil we would be world beaters. If you come from the slums of Sao Paulo and you get a chance to become a pro footballer you will work damn hard to make it. Yes, there are some very notable exceptions but in general Brazilian footballers tend to train very hard. It's the fecking English players who have the reputation of being lazy sods..
 
That's that then.

Not necessarily, for a club like United it is not out of the realm of possibility that someone else is working out the finer details of the deal prior to Gill getting involved. Gill could also be on the phone while discussions are going on. I know we are skint but, am sure they could afford even instant messenger video conferencing.

Gill will be back on Saturday in Manchester - by the time a deal is all done and sorted and if it needs his signature - it's only a few days away.

People try to put certain things together as a sign, one being that Gill was back in Manchester but, that he isn't there shouldn't preclude the deal from being in it's formative stages.
 
Not necessarily, for a club like United it is not out of the realm of possibility that someone else is working out the finer details of the deal prior to Gill getting involved. Gill could also be on the phone while discussions are going on. I know we are skint but, am sure they could afford even instant messenger video conferencing.

Gill will be back on Saturday in Manchester - by the time a deal is all done and sorted and if it needs his signature - it's only a few days away.

People try to put certain things together as a sign, one being that Gill was back in Manchester but, that he isn't there shouldn't preclude the deal from being in it's formative stages.

Exactly. Gill isn't going to be writing any contract. The club's lawyers/solicitors are surely far more involved in a transfer deal than Gill. Having said that, it would be weird for a transfer to be discussed without Fergie or Gill present, if the player hasn't already decided. But yeah. We have phones, so I don't think Gill not being there destroys the rumour. It doesn't help it though.
 
A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How a signing used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those muppets dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

But Glazer made me shiver
With every rumour I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about how Kenyon lied
But something touched me deep inside
The day the transfer died.

So bye-bye, Mister transfer rumour
Drove mybentley to the airport
But Ozil's arrival was a lie
And them good old muppets were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

---
 
Goodbye Mesut Ozil
May you ever grow in our hearts
You were the grace that never came
Where lives were torn apart
You called out to the Caftards
And you whispered to those in red
Now you belong to City
And Mancini spells out your name

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like an Ozil in the wind
Never signing for us United
When the rain set in
And your footsteps will always fall you
Along City's council house
Your rumours burned out long before
Your legend never will
 
What a complete load of rubbish. If our kids trained half as hard as the kids do over in BraZil we would be world beaters. If you come from the slums of Sao Paulo and you get a chance to become a pro footballer you will work damn hard to make it. Yes, there are some very notable exceptions but in general Brazilian footballers tend to train very hard. It's the fecking English players who have the reputation of being lazy sods..

They might love kicking a football round but this doesn't mean they're going to put a lot of effort in, doing boring stuff like working on their conditioning. Hence the "notable exceptions"

How many of the very best English footballers spent their latter years as a pro turning into fat bastards?
 
I signed Ozil today
to see if I was awake
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the rumours tear a hole
the old familiar sting
try to kill it all away
but I remember everything
where have you gone?
my sweetest German
everyone I want
signs for City in the end

and you could have it all
our empire of glory
I will let you win
I will make you win

I wear this crown of thorns
upon my armchair
full of broken thoughts
Owen cannot repair
beneath the stains of time
the feelings disappear
you are somewhere else
We are still right here

where have you gone?
my sweetest German
everyone I know
signs for City in the end
and you could have it all
our empire of glory



Words don't express how bored I am.
 
Goodbye Mesut Ozil
May you ever grow in our hearts
You were the grace that never came
Where lives were torn apart
You called out to the Caftards
And you whispered to those in red
Now you belong to City
And Mancini spells out your name

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like an Ozil in the wind
Never signing for us United
When the rain set in
And your footsteps will always fall you
Along City's council house
Your rumours burned out long before
Your legend never will

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I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the Ozil's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a Mesut curiosity

Ozil in the wind, all we want is Ozil (but not on the wing).

Same old song, just another transfer rumour in an endless sea
All we do, crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Ozil in the wind, all we want is Ozil (but not on the wing).

[Now] Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the Scholes and Giggs and Sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another player buy.

Ozil in the wind, all we want is Ozil (but not on the wing).

Ozil in the wind, all we want is Ozil (but not on the wing).
 
Exactly. Gill isn't going to be writing any contract. The club's lawyers/solicitors are surely far more involved in a transfer deal than Gill. Having said that, it would be weird for a transfer to be discussed without Fergie or Gill present, if the player hasn't already decided. But yeah. We have phones, so I don't think Gill not being there destroys the rumour. It doesn't help it though.

That's the spirit! He's probably having a tour of the museum today before completing his medical tomorrow.

Keep carrying the flame guys.

The glass is half full.
 
We've created a monster, cause nobody wants to see Owen no more
They want Ozil, he's chopped liver (huh?)
Well if you want Ozil, this is what I'll give ya
A little bit of fact mixed with some bad rumour
Some sighting that'll jump start your heart quicker
than a shock when we lose 3-1 to Arsenal
at Highbury when midfield's not co-operating
When Ando and Hargo need operating (hey!!)
You waited this long, now stop debating
Cause Ozil's here, enough to cause more speculating
I know that you got a job Mr Ferguson
but your Caftard's heart problems are complicating
So the BBC won't do interviews
or give us more news, so let me see
They'll put my rumour up on SS News
But it feels so empty, without Mesut


I think we're onto a winner here lads.
 
Here you are, the newbie's have fallen for the old betting trick and jumped on it with what looks like some shoddy Photoshopping:

KingUtd said:
Hello, sorry if I bother you I just wanted to inform you (and hoping you inform the mains) about Ozil in the newbies.
10 users talked to skybet chat and asked them why the betting has been suspended and the reply was always something along the lines of: "He's almost a done deal with man utd" Here is a screenshot of my chat:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2148/90747102.jpg

There has been 2-3 pages and 10 chat's copy pasted from skybet in the newbies so if you could inform the mains or post this screenshot there, i see you are bored :lol:
 
Has anything actually happened, or is this simply muppets being bored?
 
He's possibly at Manchester airport, Bremen, somewhere in between or on holiday. So no, nothing's happened.
 
KingUtd said:
Hi, sorry to bother you I was just hoping if you could inform the mains about this.

There have been 2-3 pages in the newbies section of users posting their chat conversation with Skybet agents and why the betting on Mesut Ozil is suspended.
Every agent in about 10 chats has said something along the lines of "Ozil is almost a done deal for Man Utd that's why the betting is suspended"
Here is screenshot from my chat:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2148/90747102.jpg

So if you could just post this in the mains to start the muppetry again I would appreciate it :D

Rio_Ferdinand said:
Em... on the newbie thread on Ozil loadsa ppl are talking to SkyBet ppl and they reckon Ozil is coning to Utd, just go onto the newbie ozil thread and you'll see.

So Here it is Y'all.....We know the truth....Now I'll drop a bomb...freestyle

[Intro:]

(feck all you hoes) Get a grip mothermuppet

Yeah, this album is dedicated to all the muppet killers that told me
We'd never sign anyone, to all the people that lived above the
buildings that I was outside of waiting to see if I could see Ozil
me when I was just tryin' to find some evidence to make a concrete rumour
and all my playaz in the struggle, feel me?

Uh-ha, it's all good baby bay-bee, uh

[Verse One:]

It was all a dream
I used to read transfer forum magazines
Owen Hargreaves and Dimitar up in the limousine
Hangin' pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Ricardo Kaka, Lionel Messi, Mesut Ozil?
I let my keys rock, till my keyboard pop'd
Smokin' weed and bamboo, sippin' on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Signing Diouf?, Djemba-Djemba?
You never thought that United would take it this far
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rumour tight
Time to get Sniejder, Sown up like a good trade
Born Muppet, the opposite of a Puppet (?)
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron C, Brucey Steve, and Carlo T (wat)
Youngmaster Mach, Lovebug Welbeck
I'm Postin' up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It's all good

Uh, and if you don't know, now you know, Muppet, uh

[Chorus:]

You know very well who you are
Don't let em hold you down, reach for the stars
You had a goal, but not that many (Just Sniejder, Ozil)
And don't forget BALOTELLI
But Ozil you're the only one I'll give you good and plenty
 
How many of the very best English footballers spent their latter years as a pro turning into fat bastards?

:lol:

errrr... quite a few actually. In fact United have had a few notable 'britain & ireland' ones who were even getting fat before they turned 25... I'm sure you can name them yourself.
 
MJ, this was exactly like the Concert for Bangledesh, except, it was ...erm, for Mesut Ozil.


The Concert for Ozil. Good job mate.
 
I've made so many new bets
I've seen so many muppets
But nothing compares
To us signing Mr Mesut Ozil
I've climbed the highest mountain
Once or twice but who's countin'
But nothing compares
To us signing Mr Mesut Ozil
 
Whatcha’ doin’ tonight
I wish I could be a fly on Gill's wall
Are you really alone?
Who's stealin' your dreams
Why can't I bring you into our life
What would it take to make you see that we're alive

If I was invisible
Then I could just watch you in your room
If I was invincible
I'd make Ozil mine tonight
If hearts were unbreakable
Then I could just tell you where I stand
I would be the smartest man
If I was invisible
(Wait..I already am)

Saw your face in the crowd
I call out your name
You don't hear a sound
I keep tracing your steps
Each move that you make
Wish I could read what goes through your mind
Wish you could touch me with the colors of your life

Didn't really need to change much.
 
So Here it is Y'all.....We know the truth....Now I'll drop a bomb...freestyle

[Intro:]

(feck all you hoes) Get a grip mothermuppet

Yeah, this album is dedicated to all the muppet killers that told me
We'd never sign anyone, to all the people that lived above the
buildings that I was outside of waiting to see if I could see Ozil
me when I was just tryin' to find some evidence to make a concrete rumour
and all my playaz in the struggle, feel me?

Uh-ha, it's all good baby bay-bee, uh

[Verse One:]

It was all a dream
I used to read transfer forum magazines
Owen Hargreaves and Dimitar up in the limousine
Hangin' pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Ricardo Kaka, Lionel Messi, Mesut Ozil?
I let my keys rock, till my keyboard pop'd
Smokin' weed and bamboo, sippin' on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Signing Diouf?, Djemba-Djemba?
You never thought that United would take it this far
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rumour tight
Time to get Sniejder, Sown up like a good trade
Born Muppet, the opposite of a Puppet (?)
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron C, Brucey Steve, and Carlo T (wat)
Youngmaster Mach, Lovebug Welbeck
I'm Postin' up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It's all good

Uh, and if you don't know, now you know, Muppet, uh

[Chorus:]

You know very well who you are
Don't let em hold you down, reach for the stars
You had a goal, but not that many (Just Sniejder, Ozil)
And don't forget BALOTELLI
But Ozil you're the only one I'll give you good and plenty

:lol::lol:
 
Now, who's hot who not
Tell me who to sign who sell out the megastores
You tell me who flopped who went to City
Who jewels got robbed who's mostly shit now
to the Redcafe, the same ol gimp
Mesut, you know ain't nuttin change but his pimp
Can't stop till I see Ozil on a blimp
Guarantee a million shirts sold with his name
You don't believe in power of the Caf? nigga double up
We don't play around it's a bet lay it down
Ozil didn't know me in ninety-one bet he know me now
I'm the young transfer muppet with the Caftard sound
Can't no top reds hold me down, Plecha-
Zunga taught me the game, now I know my duty
Stay humble stay low blow like Domzi
True muppet niggaz spend no dough on the booty
And then ya yell there go Ozil there go your cutie


I don't know what, they want from Fergie
It's like the more money we come across
The more problems we see
[repeat 2X]


Yeah yeah, ahaha, from the BALLOT-to-the-E-to-the-L-L-I
know you'd rather see me die than to see him sign
I call all the shots
Rip all the spots, rock all the rocks
Cop all the drops, I know you thinkin now's
when all the rumours stop, nigga never
home got a treble once, the League Cup
Ten years from now we'll still be on top
Yo, I thought I told you that we won't stop
Now whatcha gonna do when it's cool
bag a money much longer than yours
and a team much stronger than yours, violate me
this'll be your day, we don't play
Mess around with FC eh?, be on your way
Cause it ain't enough time here, ain't enough lime here
for you to shine here, deal with many women
but treat dimes fair, and I'm
bigger than the city lights down in Times Square
Yeah, yeah yeah

I don't know what, they want from Fergie
It's like the more money we come across
The more problems we see
[repeat 2X]


I think I've run this into the ground now :lol:
 
:lol:

errrr... quite a few actually. In fact United have had a few notable 'britain & ireland' ones who were even getting fat before they turned 25... I'm sure you can name them yourself.

I can honestly say I have never seen a British or Irish footballer, playing at the highest level, carrying as much weight as the Brazilian lads pictured in this thread. Which is amazing when you think about how many of them were massive piss-heads.

Could be wrong though. Feel free to post some pics to the contrary.
 
So Here it is Y'all.....We know the truth....Now I'll drop a bomb...freestyle

[Intro:]

(feck all you hoes) Get a grip mothermuppet

Yeah, this album is dedicated to all the muppet killers that told me
We'd never sign anyone, to all the people that lived above the
buildings that I was outside of waiting to see if I could see Ozil
me when I was just tryin' to find some evidence to make a concrete rumour
and all my playaz in the struggle, feel me?

Uh-ha, it's all good baby bay-bee, uh

[Verse One:]

It was all a dream
I used to read transfer forum magazines
Owen Hargreaves and Dimitar up in the limousine
Hangin' pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Ricardo Kaka, Lionel Messi, Mesut Ozil?
I let my keys rock, till my keyboard pop'd
Smokin' weed and bamboo, sippin' on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Signing Diouf?, Djemba-Djemba?
You never thought that United would take it this far
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rumour tight
Time to get Sniejder, Sown up like a good trade
Born Muppet, the opposite of a Puppet (?)
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron C, Brucey Steve, and Carlo T (wat)
Youngmaster Mach, Lovebug Welbeck
I'm Postin' up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It's all good

Uh, and if you don't know, now you know, Muppet, uh

[Chorus:]

You know very well who you are
Don't let em hold you down, reach for the stars
You had a goal, but not that many (Just Sniejder, Ozil)
And don't forget BALOTELLI
But Ozil you're the only one I'll give you good and plenty

:lol::lol: Classic!!
 
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