Good post, but what are you doing on here when you should be out signing Ozil?
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Good post, but what are you doing on here when you should be out signing Ozil?
Stats -so Ozil got 12 assists - how much of the play revolves going through him consistently at Bremen do you know? Does most everything start and stop with him?
I bet you can find a fair number of ordinary strikers that scored more than Berbatov for their respective teams or any of our other strikers but, does that mean they are worth going for?
The stats aren't a way to convince why he is worth it.
Nani has been highly effective on the left - what do you do get rid of him or Valencia to accommodate him on the wing? We already saw that Nani is a capable replacement for Giggs once he found his feet. Unless you are suggesting that Ozil is a better player than Nani or would be a significant improvement over him.
Most can see we aren't hurting for a replacement for Giggs up and down the left wing. Scholes - sorry but, no one will ever replace him and I don't mean that as a slight to Giggsy. There isn't another player like Scholes in sight in terms of what he does.
I bet you can find a fair number of ordinary strikers that scored more than Berbatov for their respective teams or any of our other strikers but, does that mean they are worth going for?
The stats aren't a way to convince why he is worth it.
Nani has been highly effective on the left - what do you do get rid of him or Valencia to accommodate him on the wing? We already saw that Nani is a capable replacement for Giggs once he found his feet. Unless you are suggesting that Ozil is a better player than Nani or would be a significant improvement over him.
Most can see we aren't hurting for a replacement for Giggs up and down the left wing. Scholes - sorry but, no one will ever replace him and I don't mean that as a slight to Giggsy. There isn't another player like Scholes in sight in terms of what he does.
that would be the most retarded thing we might do.
Lower the price by how much exactly? A million or two? Worth it? no..
CL experience? We are not in the CL?
Bremen would have the better of the deal no doubt, but what do we care about that?
He's not hot prospect like Ljajic to "flop". He's an established player at the age of 21.
If Cleverly and co do well can't see what it has to do with us buying Ozil, having in mind he would be on the cheap, bond to be a pretty hot prospect, and that he'd give us depth in midfield and on the wing, in the hole as well.
So we should wait them to retire, then wait another 2-3 years their "replacements" to adjust to Premiership football, that's not a wise move.
Buying Ozil now, on the cheap, while Scholes and Giggs are still in the team and now he has time to bed in makes perfect sense.
EPL>Bundersliga>1st division
He was being sarky...
Sorry if this is old news, it probably is, but Daniel Taylor is saying that Fergie didn't leave at HT as had been reported.
I know somebody posted that he supposedly met with Bremen officials.
I know somebody posted that he supposedly met with Bremen officials.
A poor attempt.
To tell them we've got no money.
Yeah. That's interesting. In the old thread I did keep asking for a source for this left at HT stuff and nobody provided one. If there is one, I'd be happy to see it.
Actually, Nani officially had 10 and Valencia ended the season with 9.
Thats 19 combined, not 13. Giggs led with 11.
Ozil is good on the wing but the wings were one of our strong points along with Rooney in the middle. So thats not an area to really need to consider.
Playing in the hole and looking to find Rooney, Nani and Valencia on the wings is a role Ozil is best suited for an area where he could improve us significantly.
The Bundasliga is no match for the premier league and la liga, but its miles more competative than then championship. I mean come on Bayern were in the finals of the champions league and Germany got to the semis of the world cup with a first 11 all based in the bundasliga. Its not even slightly comparible is it. What Cleverley can do in the premier league remains to be seen. But he's a player with most experience for our reserves as a fullback and almost all his experience in the championship as a winger. So dont expect to see him playing often in central midfield or in the hole even if he prefers a central position because he doesnt have the experience. He could garner it in cup matches though.
We're not going to sign Ozil. Get over it 
People shouldn't knock the championship or atleast dismiss it. A certain Beckham used it to great effect. What's important is games (though Beckham didn't play much, it probably helped him more mentally). The championship is still a hard league but it's sufficent because at United you play with better players who support you, it gives you confidence and it don't really matter where you get your confidence from.
At Watford Cleverly was one of the main men, that they relied on week in week out to produce. At United, that's not the case so I don't think it matters at all. But yeah this Ozil talk is despirate at the moment. Nothings happening. Nothing. If you want to play cluedo by all means....but I wouldn't get too excited about it
People shouldn't knock the championship or atleast dismiss it. A certain Beckham used it to great effect. What's important is games (though Beckham didn't play much, it probably helped him more mentally). The championship is still a hard league but it's sufficent because at United you play with better players who support you, it gives you confidence and it don't really matter where you get your confidence from.
At Watford Cleverly was one of the main men, that they relied on week in week out to produce. At United, that's not the case so I don't think it matters at all. But yeah this Ozil talk is despirate at the moment. Nothings happening. Nothing. If you want to play cluedo by all means....but I wouldn't get too excited about it
We're not going to sign Ozil. Get over it
People shouldn't knock the championship or atleast dismiss it. A certain Beckham used it to great effect. What's important is games (though Beckham didn't play much, it probably helped him more mentally). The championship is still a hard league but it's sufficent because at United you play with better players who support you, it gives you confidence and it don't really matter where you get your confidence from.
At Watford Cleverly was one of the main men, that they relied on week in week out to produce. At United, that's not the case so I don't think it matters at all. But yeah this Ozil talk is despirate at the moment. Nothings happening. Nothing. If you want to play cluedo by all means....but I wouldn't get too excited about it
I dont often agree with you, but your bang on there.
no posts in 7 mins, you lot are so fecking weird.
He's not going to sign, we're not going to win the Champions League, we are going to get relegated, the Glazers have given Fergie a packet of fags, half a bottle of whiskey and a bubble gum as his transfer budget. We are doomed. But with Ozil we would have won 2 yes 2 champions leagues next season and equalled Liverpool.
OK, yes I know it's a highly unrealistic idea, but I'm still going to argue it.
Why only that low? Bremen wont get anything for him if they don't sell now so if they get to keep him for the season they might settle for much less then 1-2 million. Anyways, who knows what they want in any case.Enigma_87 said:
My idea is based on buying now rather then next year even if we don't plan on using him now.Enigma_87 said:
Why wouldn't we plan on using him now you might ask? I have no idea, but if United is willing to wait 'til next summer we're obviously comfortable with the team now.
Maybe, just maybe, it's a deal that they would like thus making us the front runners in signing him.Enigma_87 said:
That was more tongue in cheek (I'm still a bit bitter about the whole Ljajic thing).Enigma_87 said:
Agreed, but again my argument is based on this loan deal rather then waiting to sign him on the free next year.Enigma_87 said:
It would make the perfect sense if we're interested in him yes, but again that's not what I was arguing against.Enigma_87 said:
But whatever, I don't see this deal happening that way anyways.
How much than Cleverly is Ozil right now?
I have seen Cleverly play quite a bit, but have only seen Ozil in the World Cup.
I have seen Cleverly play quite a bit, but have only seen Ozil in the World Cup.
We're not going to sign Ozil. Get over it
People shouldn't knock the championship or atleast dismiss it. A certain Beckham used it to great effect. What's important is games (though Beckham didn't play much, it probably helped him more mentally). The championship is still a hard league but it's sufficent because at United you play with better players who support you, it gives you confidence and it don't really matter where you get your confidence from.
At Watford Cleverly was one of the main men, that they relied on week in week out to produce. At United, that's not the case so I don't think it matters at all. But yeah this Ozil talk is despirate at the moment. Nothings happening. Nothing. If you want to play cluedo by all means....but I wouldn't get too excited about it
There is a big gap between the championship and the EPL and there is an equally big gap between a small EPL side and Manchester United. Foster and Richardson are clear examples of what Im saying. Mind you Im not saying that Cleverley is overrated or he is doomed to failed. Certain things he did at preseason shows ample promise. Stating that I prefer to be realistic. Ozil should be considered as a better player at least for the time being.
We're not going to sign Ozil. Get over it
People shouldn't knock the championship or atleast dismiss it. A certain Beckham used it to great effect. What's important is games (though Beckham didn't play much, it probably helped him more mentally). The championship is still a hard league but it's sufficent because at United you play with better players who support you, it gives you confidence and it don't really matter where you get your confidence from.
At Watford Cleverly was one of the main men, that they relied on week in week out to produce. At United, that's not the case so I don't think it matters at all. But yeah this Ozil talk is despirate at the moment. Nothings happening. Nothing. If you want to play cluedo by all means....but I wouldn't get too excited about it
This, I don't agree with.
Since Beckham's time on loan, the gap between the Championship and the Premiership has grown even wider in quality.
He also played a grand total of 5 games for Preston
It is ridiculous to compare Ozil with Cleverly right now. One shone at one of the biggest stage in football and is regular for a major European team while other is yet to establish himself as a first team player.
About the same amount that Rooney is better than Welbeck.
Would love to see the reactions of some posters if we do get him.
Titanic etc...
It's a technical website issue, already been mentioned earlier, that a page is created for each player we're linked with. Change the number at the end and the player name will change.
I see. Ok I understand I think.
So no new advancements in the past 24 hours I presume?
too far?
Guardian reporter says Fergie stayed after the Fulham game to speak to the directors but apart from that I don't think anything has changed. I think we just have to wait and see if he is in Bremen's CL squad and plays.
Guardian reporter says Fergie stayed after the Fulham game to speak to the directors but apart from that I don't think anything has changed. I think we just have to wait and see if he is in Bremen's CL squad and plays.
The Guardian reporter got his info from Justin Moorehouse.
The championship is still competitive. For an 18 year old it's a great challenge and the pressure to win weeek in week out is still there. It's enough. It's still real football and when you come back to United, you're at an advantage because not only have you got games under your belt, you come back to play in a quality side
There's pressure to impress, pressure to win, pressure to fight for your place...it's a great environment
Devilish, I never rated either. Foster showed himself in the charity shield to have no balls and richardson was a dreamer. I once was watching the reserves I think it was and he did Giggs old celebration - the one he did with ince and just didn't impress me. Got the impression he thought he'd already made it. Cleverlys made of something different.
Enough but in no way even slightly comparible to the bundasliga. We've had players do well there before like Campbell. Most still dont make it.
Your mothers clearly brought up a bright boy......
Dr Barnardo's didnt do such a great job with you.
But i thought inspite of your insult you agreed with me?...
Forgive me, if i point out i won't be losing much sleep either wayIMO people are overstating how much his price will drop if plays in the CL. I don't think it will much at all.
The CL is one competition. He isn't going to necessarily win the team he goes to the competition. For United there is still the PL, FA and CC to play for - that's a lot of games he can help us in winning silverware - same with the rest of teams that are said to be his favored destination - they have a lot to play for other than the CL.
He is 21 - if he is that good to be instrumental in helping a team win the CL then the thought of losing him when you can have still have him for maybe atleast 4-5 seasons to win the CL then - would mean a team is willing to pay what Werder want.
A team that wants him isn't going to be in it for one season. The first season will be a season for him to integrate in anyway where ever he goes. If a club feels that if they don't get him now while Werder is in the mix and willing to sell him, that come next year when he is a free agent that other clubs might offer him a lot more than what they can offer him - then they'll still be inclined to go for him now.
His price won't drop dramatically if he does play in the CL but, it may make him decide that he'll stick to Werder and perform brilliantly in the CL so he can command even more when he is a free agent.
The CL is one competition. He isn't going to necessarily win the team he goes to the competition. For United there is still the PL, FA and CC to play for - that's a lot of games he can help us in winning silverware - same with the rest of teams that are said to be his favored destination - they have a lot to play for other than the CL.
He is 21 - if he is that good to be instrumental in helping a team win the CL then the thought of losing him when you can have still have him for maybe atleast 4-5 seasons to win the CL then - would mean a team is willing to pay what Werder want.
A team that wants him isn't going to be in it for one season. The first season will be a season for him to integrate in anyway where ever he goes. If a club feels that if they don't get him now while Werder is in the mix and willing to sell him, that come next year when he is a free agent that other clubs might offer him a lot more than what they can offer him - then they'll still be inclined to go for him now.
His price won't drop dramatically if he does play in the CL but, it may make him decide that he'll stick to Werder and perform brilliantly in the CL so he can command even more when he is a free agent.
I think the point is that if we want him, we'd buy him when he is able to play in the CL. What's the point in buying him after he has been cup tied?
Ekeke, that's not the point. Who knows who will be the better player in 2, 5, 7 years time?...it has never been a given but what I can tell you is that there are basically two possibilities. The first is he might flop. The second is he might be a success. When you play at United, you play with better players. Far better players then at watford. I'm personally confident in his ability. I don't think he's weak mentally and the confidence he's gained, irrespective of where it's from, can only be a good thing. As long as he's not over confident, which I doubt is the case
Cause he will be available for the knock outs? Not a bad thing not having him for the group stages.
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