Mesut Özil

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One thing that always puzzled me - why can't these players set themselves up to be more tax efficient.

Say Ozil signs for United. United pay Ozil offshire company £4m a year and then Ozil himself then bills his own offshore company say £1m a season. He only pays tax on the £1m.

I'm no expert, but would think that a loophole that large would have been closed off and classed as "highly illegal".
 
Well, I've been making the argument for a while that we can't show our hand too early. We can't win in a bidding war. And starting the ball rolling too early increases the chances of a bidding war building up.

I don't think were interested in bidding wars. I think it would be a case of we'll pay this much and thats it.
 
One thing that always puzzled me - why can't these players set themselves up to be more tax efficient.

Say Ozil signs for United. United pay Ozil offshire company £4m a year and then Ozil himself then bills his own offshore company say £1m a season. He only pays tax on the £1m.

Let's engage in Tax Fraud to sign the best players.

I'm on board for what it's worth.
 
A newbie has a report that he might be signing with Benfica.
 
I don't think were interested in bidding wars. I think it would be a case of we'll pay this much and thats it.

Then we've got to be careful. If nobody else has made an offer yet then why should United? Why leave so much time for other parties to get involved and see the price tag rocket out of our reach? Leave it as late as possible so Bremen are put in a position of needing to rush to a decision.
 
I'm no expert, but would think that a loophole that large would have been closed off and classed as "highly illegal".

No. It's legal it's what all the big companies do including Tesco. I belive one of the big household goods companies have placed all their intellectual property in Ireland where corp tax is 12.5%. This company in Ireland bills the UK operatoins billions for the use of the intellectual property. These trasnfer payments are legal. So insetad of declaring billiosn of profit in the UK they declare say half a billion and pay the tax on that.

I still don't see why footballers don't do the same.
 
Then we've got to be careful. If nobody else has made an offer yet then why should United? Why leave so much time for other parties to get involved? Leave it as late as possible so Bremen are put in a position of needing to rush to a decision.

Because a) he might be cup tied for the CL if we wait too long, and b) if Werder say no or someone else has the bright idea of waiting until the last minute and outbids us, we have no time to find an alternative.
 
Ozil is claiming all the rumours are news to him.
 
No. It's legal it's what all the big companies do including Tesco. I belive one of the big household goods companies have placed all their intellectual property in Ireland where corp tax is 12.5%. This company in Ireland bills the UK operatoins billions for the use of the intellectual property. These trasnfer payments are legal. So insetad of declaring billiosn of profit in the UK they declare say half a billion and pay the tax on that.

I still don't see why footballers don't do the same.

Maybe, because they are persons not legal entities? Anyways, I promise you that tax lawyers would've pointed that out many years ago in case it's possible
 
Maybe, because they are persons not legal entities? Anyways, I promise you that tax lawyers would've pointed that out many years ago in case it's possible

To simplify.

United pay Ozil Ltd Uk £5m a year to provide footballing services. Ozil UK Ltd is billed £4m a year to use the name Mesut Ozil from its offshore subsiduray Ozil Offshire Inc. Thus Ozil Uk ltd only declares a £1m profit in the UK.

Now the asset Mesu Ozil the person is owned by Manchester United.
 
To simplify.

United pay Ozil Ltd Uk £5m a year to provide footballing services. Ozil UK Ltd is billed £4m a year to use the name Mesut Ozil from its offshore subsiduray Ozil Offshire Inc. Thus Ozil Uk ltd only declares a £1m profit in the UK.

I'm not sure that makes it any more right, it's still basically tax evasion and swindling. Saying this, you've given Harry Redknapp a fecking cracking idea.
 
I'm not sure that makes it any more right, it's still basically tax evasion and swindling. Saying this, you've given Harry Redknapp a fecking cracking idea.

It's not tax evasion. It's tax avoidance which is legal. Every major company does this.
 
Because a) he might be cup tied for the CL if we wait too long, and b) if Werder say no or someone else has the bright idea of waiting until the last minute and outbids us, we have no time to find an alternative.

If we offered 12m to Werder then that would eventually leak out. City would probably offer 20m just to feck with us but it would have taken them a day or two to react.

For all I know our plan is to offer Bremen 12m the day before the CL game. Bremen then have a decision to make before the CL game kicks off. And maybe they choose to take the money. While City have not had time to react and prepare a counter offer.

Of course this is all idle speculation, and does not take account of the fact that the player himself mostly chooses his destination. But these are the kind of scenarios that you can see in these kind of transfer sagas when you can't just offer huge sums of money early on, and blow the competition out of the water like City can.

It's fascinating really. One thing about all the idiotic transfer gossip and journos making up shit is that the real behind the scenes stories would be really interesting if we could see them.
 
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"I know nothing"

He's basically doing his impression of a slightly more gay Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Definitely off to Barca.
 
We've got Darron Gibson remember, who needs Ozil? Ha, I remember Souness saying something exactly the same "Who needs Zidane when we've got Tim Sherwood?"

Absolutely ridiculous if we didnt even attempt to bid for Ozil, ludicrous.

Ozil is no Zidane

Gibson is no Sherwood.
 
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Oezil
10/08/2010 CLUB
Last Minute
Oezil about to sign

Sport Lisboa e Benfica is about to sign contract with Oezil. Sources close to the case say the deal is coming soon and presentation can now be done in the next game to be held at the Stadium of Light

The fans are euphoric and anxious to see Oezil serving the world's biggest club.
 
There's more bollocks on the internet than in the papers.

Yup but it was from the German times and the amount of scouring of the news sitesand translating I'm doing this morning and checking I'll be fecked if I'm giving a source everytime.
 
Werder Bremen starlet Mesut Ozil insists he knows nothing of reports Barcelona have agreed a fee for his signature.

Respected Spanish paper El Pais claimed on Tuesday that Barca had reached a tentative agreement with Werder to sign Ozil, 21, for €10 million, with the player said to have prioritised a move to Camp Nou.

However, asked about the move on Tuesday morning following training, he told Bild: "I know nothing. I have spoken to no one."

Several top clubs in Europe, including Manchester United, Chelsea and Real Madrid, are said to be interested in Ozil and Sir Alex Ferguson refused to rule out a bid at the weekend, saying "I don't know" when asked if he was hopeful of signing the player.

Werder Bremen director of sport Klaus Allofs has suggested that the deal could progress in the near future.

Allofs told the Kreiszeitung Syke newspaper: "It is possible that there is now a bit of movement in the issue, but I am not running backwards and forwards to the fax machine or getting sweaty palms when I check my emails to see if maybe an offer has arrived."

Seems like he is expecting offers soon or that a few offers have already been made..

Werder Bremen starlet Mesut Ozil denies knowledge of Barcelona bid - Transfers - ESPN Soccernet
 
I wouldn't trust anyone who spelled subsidiary as subsiduray, TBH.

Yeah I write perfect prose when I am writing on a forum but as long as you are around to check my syntax, grammar etc all is well in the world.
 

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Oezil
10/08/2010 CLUB
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Oezil about to sign

Sport Lisboa e Benfica is about to sign contract with Oezil. Sources close to the case say the deal is coming soon and presentation can now be done in the next game to be held at the Stadium of Light

The fans are euphoric and anxious to see Oezil serving the world's biggest club.

feck you.. They promised me the Number 10 shirt have a look: http://www.slbenfica.pt/Informacao/Futebol/Noticias/CompraRedPass.asp?Adepto=Chirag
 
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Oezil
10/08/2010 CLUB
Last Minute
Oezil about to sign

Sport Lisboa e Benfica is about to sign contract with Oezil. Sources close to the case say the deal is coming soon and presentation can now be done in the next game to be held at the Stadium of Light

The fans are euphoric and anxious to see Oezil serving the world's biggest club.

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