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Lynk said:
I think the thing which severely hampered our title chances last year was our lack of class in central midfield and our over dependence on Scholes and Giggs. I remember around the time of the Bayern games Scholes was being played every 3 days because there was really no one else to replace him, and I don't think Cleverley and Gibson are ready to step up to make that kind of impact or reach a level of consistency needed this year.
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Well Fergie seems to think our midfield is good enough, and considering we missed out on the league by one point, I'm inclined to agree with him. Especially when you consider that at one point during the season we had first choice centre mids playing as defenders.
 
R_Nick said:
You think finance is the reason we haven't signed Ozil?
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Where am I saying that.

I'm saying this is terrible, seeing your manager say there is money available but he's not using it because theres no value in the a market where you see 3 players who are what we could do with leave for less than what there were expected to go for. That comment, even with some of City's silly spending this summer, looks incredibly silly right about now.
 
This thread is weird. Atleast with Benzema, Berbatov there was genuine interest and offers made. In this case we've gone to 100 pages and we don't even know if we are actually interested in the player other than the newspapers making shit up.
 
Zen said:
Where am I saying that.

I'm saying this is terrible, seeing your manager say there is money available but he's not using it because theres no value in the a market where you see 3 players who are what we could do with leave for less than what there were expected to go for. That comment, even with some of City's silly spending this summer, looks incredibly silly right about now.
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Play this scenario through your head -

Ferguson comes out and says "Yes, we would like to buy Ozil".

Ozil snubs us (amongst others and signs for his favoured team Barcelona).

This does 2 things -

a) Makes us look like gimps.

and more importantly

b) Communicates to his squad that he doesn't think they are good enough.

If these Barcelona stories are true then SAF's comments the other day make a bit more sense. Just let it go.
 
Zen said:
Where am I saying that.

I'm saying this is terrible, seeing your manager say there is money available but he's not using it because theres no value in the a market where you see 3 players who are what we could do with leave for less than what there were expected to go for. That comment, even with some of City's silly spending this summer, looks incredibly silly right about now.
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But the manager clearly doesn't think Ozil is the player we need. I don't know an awful lot about the kid except for what I saw in the world cup so I can only really go from that and what I've read, but I gather he's not the creative force we could do with. It's all well and good saying that X, Y and Z players have been bought at bargain prices, but if they're not the players we need then what would be the point in buying them?

Spending £1m on a player we don't need just because he's cheap isn't value, it's spending money on something you have to requirement for. It's been said over and over but value does not equal cheap, it equal a good buy for the money you are spending. I've seen it argued that Ozil is such a talent that we should just sign him anyway even if he doesn't fit our team but I'm not a subscriber to that theory, so for me it doesn't make sense to buy him for £12m, £8m or whatever price is being banded around the media now. If we don't need a player of his mould then we shouldn't be looking at him, and if SAF says we don't need him that's good enough for me.
 
R_Nick said:
But the manager clearly doesn't think Ozil is the player we need. I don't know an awful lot about the kid except for what I saw in the world cup so I can only really go from that and what I've read, but I gather he's not the creative force we could do with. It's all well and good saying that X, Y and Z players have been bought at bargain prices, but if they're not the players we need then what would be the point in buying them?

Spending £1m on a player we don't need just because he's cheap isn't value, it's spending money on something you have to requirement for. It's been said over and over but value does not equal cheap, it equal a good buy for the money you are spending. I've seen it argued that Ozil is such a talent that we should just sign him anyway even if he doesn't fit our team but I'm not a subscriber to that theory, so for me it doesn't make sense to buy him for £12m, £8m or whatever price is being banded around the media now. If we don't need a player of his mould then we shouldn't be looking at him, and if SAF says we don't need him that's good enough for me.
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This post should be put at the top of the transfer forum for all the muppets to read before entering a thread.
 
R_Nick said:
But the manager clearly doesn't think Ozil is the player we need. I don't know an awful lot about the kid except for what I saw in the world cup so I can only really go from that and what I've read, but I gather he's not the creative force we could do with. It's all well and good saying that X, Y and Z players have been bought at bargain prices, but if they're not the players we need then what would be the point in buying them?

Spending £1m on a player we don't need just because he's cheap isn't value, it's spending money on something you have to requirement for. It's been said over and over but value does not equal cheap, it equal a good buy for the money you are spending. I've seen it argued that Ozil is such a talent that we should just sign him anyway even if he doesn't fit our team but I'm not a subscriber to that theory, so for me it doesn't make sense to buy him for £12m, £8m or whatever price is being banded around the media now. If we don't need a player of his mould then we shouldn't be looking at him, and if SAF says we don't need him that's good enough for me.
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That is where we all disagree..

Most of the people are of the opinion that SAF does indeed think we need him, whether he chooses to state that, or the exact opposite is entirely different.

Many people have seen Ozil even before the World Cup, and the talent and creative spark that most saw was pretty obvious to those that saw him..


Now whether people actually choose to believe whether Fergie genuinely doesn't want him or not is an entirely a different matter.....you fall into the category of believing that SAF thinks we don't need him..
 
Untied said:
Does the internet break if we reach 100?
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Oops - seen that was already posted earlier now. I gave up on this thread a couple of hours ago so missed a few pages! :lol:

If that figure is true then I think it's pretty certain we were never really interested - there's no way we would have missed out on a player for that kind of fee.
 
zain said:
That is where we all disagree..

Most of the people are of the opinion that SAF does indeed think we need him, whether he chooses to state that, or the exact opposite is entirely different.
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What are you basing that claim on?

Many people have seen Ozil even before the World Cup, and the talent and creative spark that most saw was pretty obvious to those that saw him..
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I've seen plenty of people who's opinions I rate saying he's not the kind of player we need.


Now whether people actually choose to believe whether Fergie genuinely doesn't want him or not is an entirely a different matter.....you fall into the category of believing that SAF thinks we don't need him..
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Yes, I do.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
This post should be put at the top of the transfer forum for all the muppets to read before entering a thread.
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Rubbish.

Admiring Özil and thinking he would improve our team immensely is nothing to do with muppetry, it has something to do with football knowledge and watching the Bundesliga closely. Muppetry is only thinking we are close to a deal when we are quite clearly not and when there is no sign whatsoever that he's close to a move to us.

As for his quality, you do not really believe that he wouldn't improve us, do you? He's absolute class, he's always been for Bremen and at United he would perfectly fit in. There's also a reason why we bid for him in 2008.

If we aren't interested in him, we are mad - it's as simple as that. The problem is that a transfer is not up to Fergie when Barca is in the running. You can't force a player to move to us against his will, and he himself has said for years that he's a Barcelona childhood fan. Even if they are not in for him, chances are that he'll rather stay at Bremen for one more season for several reasons than move to United.
 
Heh, for £8m theres absolutely no excuse as to why we shouldnt have gone for him - unless we really dont have money of course. Seems to me theres a few excuses as to why we shouldnt have bid for him.

1. "Oh, but we didnt need him, waaaaaa!" We didnt need Vidic and Evra at the time, but that turned out pretty fecking good for us, did it not?

2. "Value" - Jesus, i'm not even gonna get into that.

3. "He wouldnt fit into our system" - So hang on, when the dust settled at the end of the 09/10 season, everyone on here and their mother was crying out for a creative midfielder. Up comes along Ozil and takes the World Cup by storm in a creative role and all of a sudden there are doubts :confused: Dont really know what else to add to that to be honest.

4. "We've got youngsters coming through" - And these youngsters would still be given an opportunity, would they not? Signing Ozil wouldnt have some sort of catastrophic impact on the youngsters chances for goodness sake, theres a reason why players go out on loan.

Obviously, I could've just wasted my time writing that, but everything suggests that Ozil is on his way to Barca. Thing is, I would be completely okay if we actually made a bid, but Ozil had just turned us down - fair enough, his decision - I just think it would be very fecking odd and i'd be massively disappointed if we didnt even attempt to go for a player that SAF himself said that "a lot of the top clubs are interested in".

Ah well, theres always Darron Gibson I guess..
 
R_Nick said:
But the manager clearly doesn't think Ozil is the player we need. I don't know an awful lot about the kid except for what I saw in the world cup so I can only really go from that and what I've read, but I gather he's not the creative force we could do with. It's all well and good saying that X, Y and Z players have been bought at bargain prices, but if they're not the players we need then what would be the point in buying them?

Spending £1m on a player we don't need just because he's cheap isn't value, it's spending money on something you have to requirement for. It's been said over and over but value does not equal cheap, it equal a good buy for the money you are spending. I've seen it argued that Ozil is such a talent that we should just sign him anyway even if he doesn't fit our team but I'm not a subscriber to that theory, so for me it doesn't make sense to buy him for £12m, £8m or whatever price is being banded around the media now. If we don't need a player of his mould then we shouldn't be looking at him, and if SAF says we don't need him that's good enough for me.
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Yeah but the X, Y and Z players I'm talking about clearly could improve us where we need it. Maybe not so much Villa since Hernandez does look like a legit find, although we could of still done with Villa to allow us to properly ditch Berba and Owen, Villa off the left, Rooney centre, Valencia right with Nana rotating within it all(as Villa can go centre etc), perfect for us. I'm not explaining Moutinho & Ozil, we could do with them, hoping for new signings to become great is much more hopeful than putting my hope in players who have failed(or that's a bit harsh, not shined as much as they should have) with us so far in their.

I COULD list off a ton of other value signings throughout the market so far just so for the sake of it, but I'm not, because you are right, saying sign them on the basis of being value alone is stupid, but the three players above could of improved us. And considering we got of got all 3 for less than £50m, and then sold a ton of our players for around about £40m(Berba, Owen, Carrick, Gibson, Anderson could of all been shipped) afterwards, eh, whatever, after the Charity Shield, I'm very optimistic about this season, alot more so than I was last season, and haven't once posted in here before like half an hour ago, so I dunno what the point here is.
 
R_Nick said:
What are you basing that claim on?



I've seen plenty of people who's opinions I rate saying he's not the kind of player we need.




Yes, I do.
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I mean most of the people who want him genuinely believe that SAF does indeed think we need him, because no one would be able to ignore the sort of talent Ozil has, his talent is pretty obvious...and I am basing that claim on just a quick scroll through this thread..

Fair enough if you think or those whose opinion you value think he isn't the player we need. ....

But many of the people here who actually wanted him to come to United (myself included) actually do believe he would improve us and also believe Fergie believes that..
 
Lailiani said:
Rubbish.

Admiring Özil and thinking he would improve our team immensely is nothing to do with muppetry, it has something to do with football knowledge and watching the Bundesliga closely. Muppetry is only thinking we are close to a deal when we are quite clearly not and when there is no sign whatsoever that he's close to a move to us.
As for his quality, you do not really believe that he wouldn't improve us, do you? He's absolute class, he's always been for Bremen and at United he would perfectly fit in. There's also a reason why we bid for him in 2008.

If we aren't interested in him, we are mad - it's as simple as that. The problem is that a transfer is not up to Fergie when Barca is in the running. You can't force a player to move to us against his will, and he himself has said for years that he's a Barcelona childhood fan. Even if they are not in for him, chances are that he'll rather stay at Bremen for one more season for several reasons than move to United.
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Isn't that exactly what's going on at the moment?
 
Lailiani said:
Rubbish.

Admiring Özil and thinking he would improve our team immensely is nothing to do with muppetry, it has something to do with football knowledge and watching the Bundesliga closely. Muppetry is only thinking we are close to a deal when we are quite clearly not and when there is no sign whatsoever that he's close to a move to us.

As for his quality, you do not really believe that he wouldn't improve us, do you? He's absolute class, he's always been for Bremen and at United he would perfectly fit in. There's also a reason why we bid for him in 2008.

If we aren't interested in him, we are mad - it's as simple as that. The problem is that a transfer is not up to Fergie when Barca is in the running. You can't force a player to move to us against his will, and he himself has said for years that he's a Barcelona childhood fan. Even if they are not in for him, chances are that he'll rather stay at Bremen for one more season for several reasons than move to United.
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Nail on the head..
 
Zen said:
Yeah but the X, Y and Z players I'm talking about clearly could improve us where we need it. Maybe not so much Villa since Hernandez does look like a legit find, although we could of still done with Villa to allow us to properly ditch Berba and Owen, Villa off the left, Rooney centre, Valencia right with Nana rotating within it all(as Villa can go centre etc), perfect for us. I'm not explaining Moutinho & Ozil, we could do with them, hoping for new signings to become great is much more hopeful than putting my hope in players who have failed(or that's a bit harsh, not shined as much as they should have) with us so far in their.

I COULD list off a ton of other value signings throughout the market so far just so for the sake of it, but I'm not, because you are right, saying sign them on the basis of being value alone is stupid, but the three players above could of improved us. And considering we got of got all 3 for less than £50m, and then sold a ton of our players for around about £40m(Berba, Owen, Carrick, Gibson, Anderson could of all been shipped) afterwards, eh, whatever, after the Charity Shield, I'm very optimistic about this season, alot more so than I was last season, and haven't once posted in here before like half an hour ago, so I dunno what the point here is.
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So you think we should have signed Villa, Ozil and Moutinho and sold Berba, Owen, Carrick, Gibson and Anderson?

And you genuinely believe that was viable?
 
OK so I've just realised Zen and Zain are in fact two posters. Can you two please merge into one for the sake of my sanity.
 
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