Messi?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Oh I don't underrate Bayern's finances at all. The numbers speak for themselves. The reason I said our finances kick up next season is that the Adidas deal by itself raises our revenues by 70m euros or so, by itself. I guess you're right about Adidas's preference, that's logical. But we're yet to see such logic actually be translated into actual transfers.
Bayern actually made a few 'creative' deals with the help of Adidas in the past. Signing players who then became the posterboy for an Adidas campaign at the same time. I'm pretty sure that Guardiola's huge contract with Adidas, which he signed at the same time he signed for Bayern, isn't a coincidence. Obviously it won't happen that Adidas pay a share of the transfer itself. But supporting a transfer by increasing the individual sponsorship contracts isn't unheard of and usually makes sense for all parties involved.
If there's any chance we can finance this move I'm all in. The best player in the world for a few years, would be delighted to have him here. He would solve a few issues for us!
If there's any chance that he's moving is another matter obviously.
If there's any chance that he's moving is another matter obviously.
So he's missed training as well? This is getting worrisome.
This is pure "Ronaldo takes a strong and signs a new contract" stuff isn't it? They'd sooner sack the manager, president and back room staff and put Keith Chegwin in charge at Messi's say so than allow him to leave.
If he were to come to the Prem I couldn't see him choosing Manchester over London personally.
There's a number of reasons I don't think this is going to happen, but if there's any possibility of bringing him (even for 250 million) I’m all in. Assuming we don't collapse financially because of that move, obviously.
Couldn’t care less how much we pay for him. It’s Lionel feckin Messi.
Why are people ignoring the fact that he isn't being linked with us at all?
He's followed a bunch of Chelsea players which is a worrying sign - in this day and age that seems to be the biggest sign of where a player's head is turned toward.
FFP can be got around. Messi at Chelsea is a horrible, horrible thought.
He's followed a bunch of Chelsea players which is a worrying sign - in this day and age that seems to be the biggest sign of where a player's head is turned toward.
FFP can be got around. Messi at Chelsea is a horrible, horrible thought.
Leave them they're having fun it seems.
I'd love to have him in the Premiership though.
Shhh.
No team can afford him especially at that price, Chelsea would have to sell Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Courtois and Diego Costa to finance his move, Manchester United have debts which needs to be paid off, irrespective of the new sponsorship deal. Real Madrid would have to sell Rodriguez, Benzema and Isco. If Barcelona sold Messi where is the replacement, Cristiano Ronaldo won't join them and the Real Madrid fans will go nuts. Besides this point is all mute because Barcelona have a transfer embargo, Messi ain't going nowhere.
I wouldn't be that surprised if United could afford it, but I don't see LvG going for it, he simply isn't the type of player we need, spending the entire budget on him wouldn't solve the issues we have in defence.
I think Barca would only sell Messi if he forced them too. And really Mourinho was bitching about Shaw's potential wage, imagine what Messi would be demanding. I know he's not as young, but still I imagine it would eclipse the rest of the team, even their other stars.
If he did go to Chelsea I'd be pretty concerned about us getting anywhere near that title for the next decade or so.
I think Barca would only sell Messi if he forced them too. And really Mourinho was bitching about Shaw's potential wage, imagine what Messi would be demanding. I know he's not as young, but still I imagine it would eclipse the rest of the team, even their other stars.
If he did go to Chelsea I'd be pretty concerned about us getting anywhere near that title for the next decade or so.
Anywhere other than United and it'd be an utter nightmare.
The only plus of him going to Chelsea is that it would pile immense pressure on our owners to invest even more in order to compete - thus making us stronger in Europe etc.
But seeing Messi playing in a Chelsea shirt is a sight that would sadden me. I've always wondered about where he'd go if he left Barca, and Chelsea just feels so wrong - they've got a 41,000 capacity stadium ffs (compared to Nou Camp's 100,000).
The Club has no interest in paying that debt off. There's too many tax breaks involved. It's down to a very manageable size now and it'll stay there abouts.
So Balague says he as never been so close to leaving ,but also says in the same breath that it does not mean he will leave. The Jan transfer window is well under way.
So what actually happens if a club fails to meet the FFP? Would the reward of signing Messi outweigh the cost of the punishment?
If (and thats a big if) he does move, it doesn't matter that hes not being linked to us, as look at Falcao, he was linked to almost everyone but us, then we bid and made it happen pretty swiftly. If he is available I am sure we will be interested. But i cant see anything happening untill the summer if it does.
Although would Messi want to join a club that often sings about Ronaldo? Messi himself would have to do better than what Ronaldo did here too. Otherwise Ronaldo will go down as the better player. Whereas at Chelsea he wouldn't have that pressure.
But he wont be going anywhere soon. Messi is bigger than the club and Barcelona will get rid of the manager before they get rid of Messi.
Although would Messi want to join a club that often sings about Ronaldo? Messi himself would have to do better than what Ronaldo did here too. Otherwise Ronaldo will go down as the better player. Whereas at Chelsea he wouldn't have that pressure.
But he wont be going anywhere soon. Messi is bigger than the club and Barcelona will get rid of the manager before they get rid of Messi.
I dont think Messi would care and our fans would sing about him soon enough. Nor do I think Ronaldo would go down as a better player if his time would be more successful than Messi's.
With the Falcao part I agree, nobody thought he would end up with us and it happened out of the blue.
Drifter has begun throwing around buckets of pisswater in transfer threads to singlehandedly account for the 'taking-muppetslayery-too-serious' quota of all of redcafe universe.
The Jan transfer window is well underway.
We should definitely use that and play on his ambitions.
Do you want to be a better player than Ronaldo, Lionel? Prove yourself in the EPL, beat Cristiano records. Impossible is nothing (or another Adidas slogan).
Not a lot, it seems
More importantly, what number would we give him?
I would give him 11, much easier being the 1 after the 1, and all
I would give him 11, much easier being the 1 after the 1, and all
Would be a good signing tbf
Well, he doesn't necessarily have to play for United to prove himself in the league and beat Ronaldo's records now, does he?
Adidas connection means feck all, too. Chelsea are also under contract with Adidas.
I think you have taken my post a little bit too seriously mate.
Chelsea contacted Messi' father.
http://www.barcablaugranes.com/2015...ach-out-to-lionel-messis-father-to-make-offer
No idea if it's true. But Rac1 is more or less reliable.
http://www.barcablaugranes.com/2015...ach-out-to-lionel-messis-father-to-make-offer
No idea if it's true. But Rac1 is more or less reliable.
He's the best player ever.
I believe that if - MASSIVE IF - he was looking to move we would compete with anyone in terms of financing the deal. Two or three years ago - no chance. Now though, I think we have the clout and the rewards of signing the best player to have ever kicked a round object are as big as the ££ involved.
I believe that if - MASSIVE IF - he was looking to move we would compete with anyone in terms of financing the deal. Two or three years ago - no chance. Now though, I think we have the clout and the rewards of signing the best player to have ever kicked a round object are as big as the ££ involved.
If I was LVG/Woody, I would move on Falcao, RVP and Mata just to make room for him, and his waaaages
And if I was Barcelona, Maybe I would consider moving him on especially for the ££ being thrown around these days. They also have Suarez and Neymar who they could effectively build their new team around, and it wouldn't be a bad idea either I think.
Don't care who he plays for tbh, as long as it ain't L'pool (
), would just love to see him in the Premier League.
And if I was Barcelona, Maybe I would consider moving him on especially for the ££ being thrown around these days. They also have Suarez and Neymar who they could effectively build their new team around, and it wouldn't be a bad idea either I think.
Don't care who he plays for tbh, as long as it ain't L'pool (
), would just love to see him in the Premier League.no way he's moving anywhere for the foreseeable.
In 5-6 years time he'll probably move to Chelsea/City/AN Other Oil/billionaire club for £1m a week and be the ultimate mercenary. Before a couple of years at the end for even sillier wages at whatever the latest upcoming money country is
In 5-6 years time he'll probably move to Chelsea/City/AN Other Oil/billionaire club for £1m a week and be the ultimate mercenary. Before a couple of years at the end for even sillier wages at whatever the latest upcoming money country is
It's all bullshit, at least as far as Chelsea links are concerned. There's no way we could afford his buyout fee without selling our most valuable players which makes the whole idea pointless to begin with. What's good getting Messi, even if he was available, which he probably isn't, if we have to give up our best players in the process? Not to mention his wages, that will destroy our wage structure.
Lionel is probably not happy with the way things are going and just decided to remind everyone at FCB who's the boss. Barca hierarchy will do whatever it takes to please Messi and it'll probably all be forgotten soon.
Lionel is probably not happy with the way things are going and just decided to remind everyone at FCB who's the boss. Barca hierarchy will do whatever it takes to please Messi and it'll probably all be forgotten soon.
Similar in a way to Rooney's stunt a few years ago to get a better contract and get us to sign better players. Messi is just flexing his muscles, he won't be going anywhere, he is Barcelona.
The man sleeps 16h per day and doesn't it "adult's food", London or Huesca won't make any difference.
Not convinced it'd strengthen Chelsea's squad considering for FFP reasons they'd be saying bye bye to a few of their better players.
Oscar, Ramires, Hazard, Matic.
The only four they'd really be able to sell to try and afford him. I'd guess 2/3 of them would have to go, and it'd weaken the squad tremendously.
Whilst Messi is stupidly good, I think Mourinho would rather keep his squads balance and go for someone like Reus or Bale.
Oscar, Ramires, Hazard, Matic.
The only four they'd really be able to sell to try and afford him. I'd guess 2/3 of them would have to go, and it'd weaken the squad tremendously.
Whilst Messi is stupidly good, I think Mourinho would rather keep his squads balance and go for someone like Reus or Bale.
He's not leaving. No way.
If Chelsea will take Messi maybe we could take Hazard and Matić from them for a start.